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SASless
27th Jul 2006, 14:32
Wreck likely that of Nazi aircraft carrier

By VANESSA GERA, Associated Press Writer 23 minutes ago

Poland's Navy said Thursday that it has identified a sunken shipwreck in the Baltic Sea as almost certainly being Nazi Germany's only aircraft carrier, the Graf Zeppelin — a find that promises to shed light on a 59-year-old mystery surrounding the ship's fate.

The Polish oil company Petrobaltic discovered the shipwreck earlier this month on the sea floor about 38 miles north of the northern port city of Gdansk.

Suspecting it could be the wreckage of the Graf Zeppelin, the Polish Navy sent out a hydrographic survey vessel on Tuesday, said Lt. Cmdr. Bartosz Zajda, a spokesman for the Polish Navy.

"We are 99 percent sure — even 99.9 percent — that these details point unambiguously to the Graf Zeppelin," said Dariusz Beczek, the Navy commander of the vessel, the ORP Arctowski, said soon after returning to port Thursday morning after the two-day expedition.

During their time at sea, naval experts used a remote-controlled underwater robot and sonar photographic and video equipment to gather digital images of the 850-foot-long ship, Zajda said.

"The analyses of the sonar pictures and the comparison to historical documents show that it is the Graf Zeppelin," Zajda told The Associated Press.

Zajda said a number of characteristics of the shipwreck exactly matched those of the Graf Zeppelin, including the ship's measurements and a special device that lifted aircraft onto the launch deck from a lower deck.

The naval experts were still waiting to find the name "Graf Zeppelin" on one the ship's sides before declaring with absolute certainty that it is the German carrier, Zajda said.

The Graf Zeppelin was Germany's only aircraft carrier during World War II. It was launched on Dec. 8, 1938, but never saw action. After Germany's defeat in 1945, the Soviet Union took control of the ship, but it was last seen in 1947 and since then the ship's fate has been shrouded in mystery.

Navy researchers plan to continue to examine the material they gathered during their two days at sea, but the analysis of the shipwreck will then fall to historians and other researchers, Zajda said.

The Graf Zeppelin will almost certain remain on the sea bed, he said.

"Technically it's impossible to pull it out of the water," Zajda said.

Where R We?
27th Jul 2006, 14:49
Here is an image which I found on a technical diving forum I frequent

http://xs304.xs.to/xs304/06303/GZ_1.jpg

Big boat or should that be ship ;)

ORAC
27th Jul 2006, 15:12
Hmm, I wonder if they´d swap it for a couple of the battelships in Scapa Flow. Then we´d have a full set........

wg13_dummy
27th Jul 2006, 15:26
Interesting stuff. I often wondered why ze Germans never grasped the Aircraft Carrier concept during the war. Seems the fat transvestite, Göring put the kybosh on it. Would it have made a difference?

Wiki entry, Graf Zeppelin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_aircraft_carrier_Graf_Zeppelin)

wg13_dummy
27th Jul 2006, 16:18
http://217.74.70.37/media/img/103/103221_f_big.jpg
http://217.74.70.37/media/img/103/103221_e_big.jpg


Google earth the provisional location;

N55.4800, E18.3800

Nowt to see but added to the history of what the Ruskies did with it, it follows it's in the right area.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
27th Jul 2006, 17:12
It was probably put there on purpose to wait for the Wunderkind to reach maturity, raise it to the surface and use it to start the Fourth Reich.




...or have I been reading too much Robert Ludlum?

ICT_SLB
29th Jul 2006, 02:25
Looks fairly intact for a ship that was sunk twice. The Me109 fighters she was meant to carry were fitted for catapult launching and were actually used to defend the German battleships in the Norway fjords (beleive one was found when they went looking for the X-3) and, if you look, there's what appears to be a catapult track on the sonar picture.

The Times version http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2287104,00.html gives her depth at 250m - bit deep for me.

A quick Google gives the Der Spiegel English site http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,429119,00.html which gives her depth as a much more reasonable 250 feet (80m) plus some good pix of the aforementioned catapults in the photo gallery.

Where R we - what's the tech diving site? This just came up on my Canadian dive club's chat room.

Where R We?
29th Jul 2006, 05:47
http://www.ocean-discovery.org/forum/showthread.php?t=28

OCean Discovery, a Scandinavian GUE dive site. The boat is in 80m (250ft) of water, just like the newspaper to tranpose something in error!