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Heliport
27th Jul 2006, 08:59
Click on the picture for some full size photos >> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/Rotorheads/Gallery/USSIwoJima_BigHorn.jpg (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76347&page=58)



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scroggs
27th Jul 2006, 09:10
Just get the thumbnail, no click-through to a larger picture.

Scroggs

Edit: s'OK - fixed it myself. The link was to a thumbnail, not the full-sized picture.

Stringy
27th Jul 2006, 09:22
I think he means these posts
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2742385&postcount=2316
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2742390&postcount=2317
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2742408&postcount=2318

spekesoftly
27th Jul 2006, 10:09
The USS Iwo Jima is no stranger to that part of the world or mission - IIRC it also came to the rescue following the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in July 1975.

Stringy
27th Jul 2006, 10:33
That would be a different Iwo Jima though, the one picture was commissioned this decade.
It's an ugly ship isn't it :}

airborne_artist
27th Jul 2006, 10:37
It's an ugly ship isn't it :}

Handsome is as handsome does. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of its offensive capability :E

microlight AV8R
27th Jul 2006, 13:16
Not ugly at all, just built to do a job. A bit concerned at her turn of speed though as Cyprus was invaded by Turkey in July/August 1974 :eek:

Skeleton
27th Jul 2006, 13:45
Cor don't do that, thought it was HMS boat, then i realised it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to big and had faaaaaaarrrrrrr to many whirly and pointy things on board. :)

Lazer-Hound
27th Jul 2006, 14:17
How come the wake of the LHD is so much, er...wakier, than that of the oiler?

Regie Mental
27th Jul 2006, 14:50
So why aren't they using the helo landing pad built at great expense on the Aki golf driving range then? :ugh:

SASless
27th Jul 2006, 15:01
Lazer,

The Carrier has a square stern with well deck within which ,LCM's, LCU's or Air Cushion landing craft can be embarked. One can drive your jeep onto a Sikorsky helicopter, fly ashore, drive to the beach, drive onto the landing craft, cruise to the carrier, drive off the boat onto the ship, drive up a ramp to the flight deck and start the journey all over again.

Working the Docking Gallery inside the well deck, handling the mooring lines of the boats during a running swell or choppy sea will change your appreciation of the enlisted crewmembers of the ship. It is pretty impressive watching that evolution take place.

The other ship has a streamlined stern thus much less wake.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/lha-1-gallery.htm

The Fleet Oiler (T-AO 198) USS Big Horn can be found here.....

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/19198.htm

Skeleton
28th Jul 2006, 01:20
SASless,

Say again in plain simple English please.

We have a similar wake problem in England, Our parks have duck ponds in them. These ponds are in fact a disguise, they were put there over the years by Navy boffins. You will note lots of towns in England have duck ponds.

Its only over the last few years that we have solved the problem of how to use our secret duck ponds, and many manhours have gone into building ever smaller boats to fit said ponds.

Trouble is you build them to small Duck wake gets in the way.

The other problem is, you can't build many small boats because with so many duck ponds in England, you can imagine the nightmare should we have more than two or three of these boats and one went missing, well you tell me which pond you would start looking in. Makes sense if you think about it - the less boats we have, the rescue services, and more importantly the enemy will take longer to find any we mislay especially if we do not corner them to the likes of the channel.

Having said that the MOD is pleased with the trials thus far, however it has to be said the duck popular front and there campaign for a duck pond free of HM ships zone are indeed a concern. There infiltration plans against our ships are as one MOD source put it - a little quackers.

Starve a duck and he can still get on one our boats via the frozen route in a bag from Asda, or better still they could keep dry and walk over a passing Harrier pilot because they walk on water. These are but two of the tried and tested examples of methods ducks use to infiltrate our fleet.

The MOD have confirmed that trials to make our boats even smaller continue, but accept that the duck issue is a major one. As a spokesman said:

"If only Turkeys could swim, at least once a year we could sail in safety - This way the duck hazard will continue for years"

When it was pointed out that even if you scatter ducks from a pond they will seek out there leader and reformate (you watch they do) the MOD confirmed paint trials on certain birds were underway. :D





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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
28th Jul 2006, 03:07
How come the wake of the LHD is so much, er...wakier, than that of the oiler?
maybe the oiler is leaking :p

vecvechookattack
28th Jul 2006, 08:40
How come the wake of the LHD is so much, er...wakier, than that of the oiler?

The LHD is going faster. About 15 Kts faster.

c-bert
28th Jul 2006, 08:48
The LHD is going faster. About 15 Kts faster.

15Kts faster than the ship it's RASing from? That I'd pay to see. :D

vecvechookattack
28th Jul 2006, 08:56
Look at the flags. The Replenishment is complete. According to the flags the rigs are not connected. The LHD is on a different course than the AOR so the replenishment has competed and the LHD is breaking away.

Green Meat
28th Jul 2006, 12:24
Meanwhile, underneath the waterline of the LHD...


"...row faster, you buggers, row. You'll all be eating Navy beans if that oiler overhauls us..."

Not_a_boffin
28th Jul 2006, 12:43
They're still connected. If you look at the after two port RAS masts on the Big Horn (fnarr, fnarr) you can see the bights of the hoses are still outboard, which means the jackstay (spanwire in US) is still connected.

Bing
28th Jul 2006, 16:29
The stern of the LHD is flat and square with a big hole to drive hovercraft through. The stern of the oiler is streamlined, consequently one has a broad active wake and one doesn't. I'd imagine you get the same effect when Albion or Bulwark are RASing with one of our tankers.
As part of the wake is trapped behind the stern of the LHD it effectively increases the length of the ship so the drag penalty isn't as great as you'd think. I could explain that last bit better if I'd paid attention at university.