GF A340 CCQ suspended

[chrispatrickGA]

:hmm: It looks like there is no more ccq to the big bus until further noticed...
two A320 drivers previously sent to the A340 sim have been gently called back to the A330.
Any explanations about this sudden change?

[LDG NO BLUE]

The last change is that instead of 2 320-drivers going to the 340 CCQ, one is going 330.

Nevertheless, the DEFO's keep coming.
Only 2 original GF pilots this year! Adding to 2 others now, you can guess when is the next course.

Do you consider this career progression?

It's worth to mention that the first bunch of DEFOs are planned to do the MFF 340 very soon, so the bypass is from all sides.

Brace for impact....no money, no career. :ugh:

LNB

[ironbutt57]

you must be very senior huh LNB:confused:

[LDG NO BLUE]

Senior enough to be bypassed by DEFOs.

IB, do you think hiring direct entries is fair?

[ironbutt57]

are you one??? you come here with a type and loads of time on type, or the company fork out for your rating? fresh off a turboprop are we?? is life fair anyway???

[LDG NO BLUE]

Dear IB,

I don't understand your "anger".
Where or what I flew before is not relevant!
Fact is that my seniority and many others have not been respected.
How do you expect me to feel?

Latest news the DECs again. So much for the carrier progression.

A company has to give a pilot:
Money or career.
GF is not giving any.

LNB

[jackbauer]

Hate to say it LNB but if you aint happy, gobbing off on this forum is not going to achieve anything. Go and say what you say here to the people who are responsible. If you are still not happy then just leave. It's as easy or as complicated as that. GF is by far one of the best employers in the Gulf and if you don't believe me just look at the DEFO's and DEC's that EK and QR are taking. As Ironbutt said, if you came here with a turbo prop and got a free jet then you have no complaints. Just sit tight and wait your turn.

[ironbutt57]

There's no anger here LNB, just disgust at the "spoiled child" mentality running round these days...lots of folks at GF given a chance nobody else would give them, one they begged for at the interview, then 1 year later are whining about it...yes it can be disapponting to see others get hired on to a fleet you preferred, but dont be delusional and think you deserve it...lots of "temps" came on the 340 as well..flyng routes I would have liked to, but it just worked out that way...yes it is pertinent where you came from and your prior experience...GF have given you an opportunity, regognize it as one, or go back to the kindergarten you came from ...:ok:

[chrispatrickGA]

Let s forget our divergence of opinions about the GF pilots treatment:O
Can anyone explain me why GF hires some guys directly on A330 w/o any experience on fly by wire aircraft.
According to some GF ground instructors these courses ( A330 direct course)are felt quite difficult by the new joiners and cost a lot to the company...
Then why not hiring them on 320 and make accordingly A320 guys happier?:rolleyes:

[picobello]

IB : Are you a 767 or a side stick driver? Who care? What LND no blue flew before is definitely not relevant. So back to the topic.:rolleyes:

Yes our lovely management has once again changed their mind. No 340 for those 2 guys:bored: but 330. Why this changes?

Jackbauer: CHANGE YOUR CD. Always the same comments......

[bird dog]

For the very first time I have to agree with you; it is a waste of time for LNB to moan in this forum, things wont change, take it or leave. I am flying less than 60 hours in Jul roster(340/330 FO) and GF is hiring 330 DEFO, are they REALLY short or it is only inefficiency again?
YES, EK and QR are hiring DECs and DEFOs, some of than from GF. Does anyone know anybody resigning from EK or QR to join GF? I hope JB gets my point....

[jackbauer]

Thanks BD but not sure what your point is! As for people resigning from EK to join GF, just wait and see who the new CP B767 is!!! BTW picyournose the same CD because the people who moan here like you, do not have the balls to just go somewhere else and leave those who want to do the job get on with it. Anyone who knows little about the company would think this is a bad place to be. I for one will not allow noisy prats like you to sullen the name of a good job and a great place to live. Is that different enough for you?

[ironbutt57]

Yeah jackbauer, this new generation of "Euro-brats" have very quickly forgotten where they came from...

[picobello]

Hey listen Jerkbauer :yuk: : As usual the same answer. First of all let me remind you this is a open forum and I will continue to say the true about GF.

Anyone who knows little about the company would think this is a bad place to be.

Of course, the person who doesn't have the same attitude and behaviour like you will undertand that this is a bad place to be.

As for people resigning from EK to join GF, just wait and see who the new CP B767 is!!!

Is it a joke? People resigning from EK to join GF:eek: Wouhaaaaaa !!!! U r a genius Mister Jerkbauer !!! These new guys probably enjoy GF destinations, GF better salary and GF wooooonderful pension !!! :ugh:

I for one will not allow noisy prats like you to sullen the name of a good job and a great place to live. Is that different enough for you?

yeahhh... it's just a dream to be here. The name of a what? Good bl:mad: job... Well, don't swallow too much you might chock :Eto answer your question people like you make me:yuk: A great place to live or to leave? you might live in Juffair "Beach":E

Ironbutt 57 : Without this generation of "Euro-brats" you can shut down all gulf air 320 operation. Am I wrong?:suspect:

[jackbauer]

I love it when you guys throw the toys out of your cot. It gives us all a good laugh!!!

[Dixons Cider]

Without this generation of "Euro-brats" you can shut down all gulf air 320 operation. Am I wrong?

..correct, you are wrong!

[ironbutt57]

haha...yup pico...dont over estimate yourself...

[Trader]

I hardly think that anyone can complain about going to the 330 first instead of the 340!!!! That is a rather weak complaint.

I believe they are stacking up on the 330/340 so that they can take the senior FO's and move them to the left seat 320. The current slack will disappear when they move those guys over.

[fab40]

Seems like everyone has lost the plot here. Not addressing the initial issue raised. Grow up you all.

Instead of venting your frustrations here, why not have the courage to confront the bad boys directly. It is a known fact that there is a lota corruption and favouritism shown. Also there seems to be no streamlined approach to the way they do their selection....so either join them or learn Arabic!!!!

[LDG NO BLUE]

Ironbutt, you underestimate the 320 pilot corps.

If you insist that previous experience is indeed relevant, let me provide you some data that you might not be aware of.

Previous types flown by the 320 guys:
707, 727, 737, CRJ, ERJ, RJ100, Md-80, Dornier, ATRs, and 320s as well. Glass cockpits and if not, medium, heavy jets among your beloved turboprops.
Half a dozen with CMD experience.
The 320 fleet holds enough credentials, guys coming from different environments, different operations, from light-twins to reputable airlines.

Having said all that, I still think that previous experience is NOT relevant. You pass the selection, you get screened then drilled by the Training Department and you become a GF Pilot.
You put everybody on the same standard.

What you call "euro-brat" and "spoiled child mentality", some others see as an increase in flight safety, having people coming from cockpits where the power gradient is not as steep as elsewhere. They will challenge poor decisions made by commanders that treat their co-pilots in an adult to child relationship.

LNB

[ironbutt57]

So that gives them the right to work here one or two years then bitch and moan about seniority issues??? and ccq and on and on??

[Left Coaster]

Gee...wonder why I didn't hang in and watch it all happen? Seems like the same old stuff with an old promise "renewed" (AGAIN!)
Buttboy...Keep your head dude...you know where it all comes from! And what they can do with it! Keep in touch...
On Holidays in the new world til mid summer!
LC;)

[jollyikarus]

Left Coaster,

Pardon me, you are behind times....
Midsummer was on 21st June! ;-)

Cheers

:-)

[Ray Darr]

Yo Jolly... you obviously don't look south too far, do you?! :}

LC, stay chilled and enjoy it, bro. Preferably with an Okie-Dokie-Kokanee!

~ R.D.

[bird dog]

Hello IB,

I normally dont write much but sometimes I really feel it is necessary. First of all I understand you are a very senior GF`s Captain. Let me tell you that I respect all the guys like you for your history in aviation, specially because today we have everything to help us; GPS, ILS everywhere, resources that you guys didnt have so you used to work out all by yourselves.
Having said that I agree with LNB our background is not relevant once GF has recruited us knowing and accepting it. Anyway I dont mind to say that when I joinned GF I was current and had thousands of hours in the 320, I was not unemployed, I had my seniority for command, I had both public and private pension fund(airline scheme),etc.... Basically I have opted to leave my country with my family and start a new career over here. I clearly asked during the assesment and directly to the hofo if there would be more DEs, they both said NO and I based my decision on it, giving credit to GF in a moment that almost everybody in the world thought GF was going to its end.
Fair enough if the airline is downsizing or not promoting for other reasons, thats a normal risk when you are in a line waiting for your time. It is not the case here. I dont want to bypass anybody in the line, just want the airline to follow it. I dont mind to fly 110 hours every month if it is needed to allow my senior colleagues to be promoted or transfered. I JUST DONT BUY THE REASONS(EXCUSES) FOR DE330 AND DECs.
So here I am. I have never had any problems in the training, never been late, never been sick!!!! I am doing what GF expects from me, why cant I expect fairness?!!!GF expects the same high level of professionalism from both me and you so we also have the right to expect the same level from then, dont you agree? Thats all from now. Hope we fly together in the future. Cheers.

P.S.- Sorry for any spelling error. I am downroute without a dictionary.

[Left Coaster]

Or any other kinds of the fine choices available over here...most go with anything! (Jetskiing today! that should take about a "toofore") Many thanks...
As for the topic at hand, tell these guys to look carefully at the ME as a whole, see what the story is at the "other airlines" and then apply it to what they know about GF...see any similarities? Hmmmm...
Say hello to IB and fly safe!
LC

[ironbutt57]

heya lefty...hows the north treatin ya? what can I say birddog...life's full of disappointments...and i sympathise with you on all of them...what to do?:confused:

[virgin camel]

To Bird Dog,

In my contract it clearly states that I shall be employed on the A320 for 3 years.
Perhaps yours reads differently.
Aviation is full of dissapointments and if this is your first then so be it.
Stop sounding like a wounded angel.
As others have said here if you dont like it then throw the towel in.
GF fill their pilot positions where they are needed. Yes I think this is a bit myopic but it appears this is how it is done.
If you wish to change their corporate philosophy then your wearing the wrong clothes.

[bird dog]

Hello VC,

1-The only reason I posted was to make it clear to IB there are FOs that came to GF with experience, not only the ones with low hours/Tprop experience.

2- My contract is diferent than yours. Maybe thats because you came here with a training bond and no Airbus experience at all.

3- I have been in aviation since 1992, many dissapointments, of course, but this is a forum where we can share other colleagues opinions.

4- Were u type rated before came to GF? Do you have a family behind you? If your answers are no, I totally understand why you misinterpreted my post.

[ironbutt57]

at the end of the day, GF is going to attempt the most cost effective method, and hiring a 320 replacement, then thrng the 320 crew is a bit over taxing to the trng dept...ek hiring dec's around highly experienced f.o.'s (with seniority) so the trend continues...dont expect a lot of sympathy here