A350 XWB

[ETOPS773]

Hello all...
Airbus have formally announced a revised A350 - The XWB.
It looks like Airbus might finally have an answer to the 777-300ER and 777-200LR with its A350-1000 and A350-900R :D
More info on the link below- the A350 microsite is a bit empty at the moment but there is a video clip of the new plane.
http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a350/a350_xwb/index.html

[WHBM]

Seems to me that in the animated video (link above) the aircraft has exceeded its allowable bank angle at one point :)

[scruggs]

Is it me, or is there a hint of the 787 in that design?

[Mudfoot]

Seems to me that in the animated video (link above) the aircraft has exceeded its allowable bank angle at one point :)

I know the bank account will be exceeded... :sad:

Watch the horizon, no exceeded bank angle.

Cheers, y'all.

[OpsSix]

Is it me, or is there a hint of the 787 in that design?

Exactly what I thought.

[Mudfoot]

Is it me, or is there a hint of the 787 in that design?

It goes back and forth between the players - what was Boeing's answer to the A300/A310 family? The 767, as I recall... :rolleyes:

Cheers, y'all.

[787FOCAL]

Looks like a 787 to me........................ :\

A350 XWB (http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a350/a350_xwb/index.html)

[787FOCAL]

LOL. The mods crack me up. The new A350 is so embarrassing that they moved this to Spectators Balcony instead of giving it real news status and leave it in Rumors and News.

:D :D :D :D

787 - when 'one' is a a trifle 'late' on the scene it is just prudent mod housekeeping to put a 'retarded' thread into an existing.

[Flymix]

http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repository/images/484x119_spotlight_on/att00007732/media_object_image_484x119_a350xwb.jpg
http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/gallery/images/commercial/787/images/k63304-1.jpg

Hmmmm....looks pretty similar to me. Cut and paste...that will be $10bn please.

[ETOPS773]

787FOCAL, The mods didn't move this anywhere ;) .

I started this in Spectators Balcony (Spotters Corner) as it isn't a rumour, and when I previously posted about the proposed A340-600E in Rumours and News, all the replies I got were people moaning about seniority / pay, instead of the proposed aircraft and its merits and I got shouted down and belittled for not being a commercial pilot :eek: . Never again!

I like to think the people who visit this particular forum have a bit more love for aviation, aren't so judgemental, and can discuss this new plane without resorting to a bragging match.

It does look like a 787 though - but I suppose if you do enough time on the CAD systems and wind tunnel / fluid dynamics software the final aerodynamic shape / configuration is bound to be similar. As the 767 / A300 and DC10 / L1011 proved.

[ETOPS773]

I knew I recognised that window shape / layout from somewhere!

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/lambdashuttle/img/movie_bg.jpg

[apaddyinuk]

Do you know what ETOPS...I was thinking I saw that Flight Deck window before and you have just hit the nail on the head!!!
Despite it being a copy of the 787 I do still think the A350 looks rather impressive. Especially love the curved wing tips!

[cornwallis]

What is the status of the orders/LOI that were posted for the original 350?How mny airlines will carry them across or is this a relaunch?

[Monarch Man]

The future of our widebody fleet perhaps Cornwallis? well its gonna be this or the other:ok:

[Dani]

Am I wrong or where these curved wing tips originally also a 787 feature? In the picture pasted above, the 787 has gone back to a more "traditionally" BBJ winglet. Maybe they found out that it was purely looking good without any technological justification...

Dani

[reverserunlocked]

The stable door. Horse. Has bolted. Shutting. After the...

Rearrange this well known phrase.

Still, a good looking beast, especially after the fat uglybus. A generation of these flying around, along with the 787 and the 747-8 isn't so bad for us spotters! :ok:

[meatball]

Yes, I am a Boeing supporter, yet currently fly the 330. Hopefully, my company will take options on the 787...rumor has it that the people up above are seriously considering the Boeing option...I see Airbus as far far behind Boeing technology; the photo of the projected 350 is practically a fotocopy of the 787...Airbus just will not admit they lost the train so they blatantly smother the visiting public at Farnborough with baloney....but they aren´t fooling me.:ugh:

[scruggs]

http://www.airbus.com/en/airbuslive/farnborough/home.htm

Can anyone find the videos and presentations she talking about?!

[ETOPS773]

Dani,

The picture shown is of the 787-3. This is the short range version of the 787 series and its aimed at replacing A300s and domestic 767s. Its lightened and strengthened to deal with higher cycles / shorter sectors. It has a different wing compared to the other two variants because of this.

The other two variants, the 787-8 and 787-9 are the longer range versions (which would likely replace 767-300ERs and 767-400s) and have the curvier version of the 767-400 wing tip. This is also being applied to the 747-8.

[Volume]

Looks to me like Boeing started with an ultra-futuristic design (rounded Shark-fin empenage, rounded wingtips, kink free cockpit nose etc.) and Airbus started with an A330. In the end we will have two more or less identical aircraft right in the middle between these first ideas.
If you look at the latest 787 3 side view, it´s more or less a 767 now (with the not very sexy fuselage shape when seen from the side). The Differences in external layout are small, yet inside it is a total different animal. Whether the new materials will pay off in the long term, we will see.

It´s a little bit like for cars, when they show you designers pictures of the new model, they always look space-age like. In the End you get a more or less conventional car with some fancy plastics fairings. And the composite structures (Matra Baghera, Renault Espace) change to conventional metal within a few years. (Except for the Trabant 601 of course, which was composite until the very end :E )

[misd-agin]

Finally improved the cockpit windows. AB cockpits are louder than 757/767/777 in my experience due to the flat L2/R2 windows. And they kept on using them because they already had the design work, etc. The fact that they FINALLY changed shows the pressure from a better design.

And IMO Boeing was dumb to put the old 707 nose on the 737 NG. Would have been a much better cockpit with the 757 cockpit.

[Groundloop]

And IMO Boeing was dumb to put the old 707 nose on the 737 NG. Would have been a much better cockpit with the 757 cockpit.

If Boeing had decided to replace the old 737 cockpit on the NG with a 757 flightdeck they may have then had too many changes to the airframe to get through certification on "grandfather rights". They were lucky to get away with a whole new wing!

[ShotOne]

I can't imagine the finished reult is going to be a copy -any more than you could accuse the 787 of "copying" its winglets and fbw from the A330.

Looks like in the end the airlines will be the winners in having a choice of two very nice aircraft.