FlyGlobespan - 2

[Hawk]

Previous thread here:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195633

[captaintrigger]

Just announced!!!

flyglobespan has just signed a deal for 2 B787's for delivery 2010!!!

What fantastic news for such a fantastic airline!

This airline is going places!!

regards,

CT

[PocaHostie]

Source is bonafide - Memo to all flight deck crew from the Chief Pilot & Flt Op's Director sent out today (18th July 2006).

Aircraft to come from ILFC in the Spring of 2010.!!

This is just the best news ever for Scotland, North of England and Stansted.!!! :ok: :ok:

[jethro15]

In addition to the 2 B757's and 2 B767's already announced and yet to be delivered, any substance to the story that 3 further a/c of each type are currently being sourced for 2007?

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://www.jethros.i12.com

[gatwicknose]

Not wanting to rain on King Toms parade...but fuel prces are rising and 2010 is a long way off........the current economic climate is not exactly condusive to rapid expansion.....its all well and good for the market to be blowing the globespan horn of plenty...but as I said before Mr D isnt doing this for nothing!!!

[Eff Oh]

GATWICKNOSE
Is there a reason why you are always slagging off GSM? In almost every thread on GSM you have something negative to say.

[VOM1T]

"Specialist operator Canadian Affair has been taken over by Air Transat for £20.4 million"

Could it be that Globespan's primary market just got a bit less attractive as their exclusive supplier buys their major competitor ?

[Ametyst]

It won't affect fly Globespan that muach as it has been rumoured that Globespan are ditching Air Transat for the Canadian programme in 2007. With Air Transat buying Canadian Affair the real losers will be Thomas Cook - UK and My Travel Airways who presently fly the UK - Canada charters on behalf of Canadian Affair.

[webby1919]

Not a rumour - Air Transats contract with GSM will cease from 31 October 2006, with GSm taking over their own YYZ flights this Winter with their own B767s, until the B757s arrive next year. The flights will soon go on sale for GLA and STN shortly. Also, they are partnering with Flyzoom, with Zoom operating some of the flights and GSM operating the rest over Winter 06.

Also, with regards to the B787s, Mr D knows what he is doing Gatwicknose. Are you a disgruntled ex-employee? Cos I'm sure you have an issue with GSM doing well. These B787s were on the cards since 2005, where Mr D announced his intention to aquire these aircraft.

[Sanjo]

that certainly sounds like exciting stuff...

all you have to hope now is that GSM will still be around by 2010, because with some of their route choices and the lack of clear business model, it certainly doesnt look like it.

just wondering how many of their last winter 05/06 routes have been dropped for this winter 06/07?? how much reassurance does this give you for their new winter routes?

sanjo

[webby1919]

Well, Sanjo, FYI Winter 05 schedule for GSM:

GLA:
ALC daily, AGP daily, LPA 2 weekly, ACE 2 weekly, STN 2 daily, GVA weekly, BCN daily, TFS daily, PRG daily.

EDI:
ALC 2 weekly, AGP 2 weekly, STN 2 daily, GVA daily, PRG 3 weekly, BCn 3 weekly.

STN:
GVA daily, TFS daily.


Winter 06 is as follows:

GLA:
ALC/AGP/TFS/BCN daily, PRG 5 weekly, LPA weekly, ACE 2 weekly, FUE weekly, FAO 2 weekly, PMI 2 weekly, SFB 3 weekly.

EDI:
ALC/AGP/GVA/CMF daily, TFS 2 weekly, PRG 3 weekly, ACE weekly, FAO 2 weekly, PMI 2 weekly, BCN 4 weekly, MJV 2 weekly.

STN:
TFS/CMF daily.

LPL:
TFS/PRG daily.

MAN:
CPT 3 weekly, YYZ 3 weekly.

So, it would appear that their Winter 06 schedule is huge. This is not including the TFS based A/C that will operate ABZ and MME.

[Sanjo]

Thanks for your kind reply webby

From what you say it looks like EDI is going to get an extra 38 flights (19 rotations) a week and GLA is going to lose 20 flights (10 rotations) a week, year on year. i count 4 routes dropped and quite a few new ones.

what is also very interesting is that 70% of the capacity increase is not for new routes but for existing ones that will be cannibalising your own revenue. for example:

increasing AGP from 2 weekly to daily...
increasing ALC from 2 weekly to daily and launching MJV on top etc etc

how much was GSM's profit last winter to be able to absorb such growth this winter?

[webby1919]

The profit for Financial Year 2005 was around £5.5million, I think. They have never been in the red since the airline began operations. Some of the flights operate W pattern flights, ie. GLA-ALC-EDI-ALC-GLA, AGP, PMI, FAO, and PRG this winter operate W Pattern flights. Its a very good way of maximising the aircraft utilisation. I'm all in favour of GSM expansing, both from Scotland and from England and Europe. Lets face it, if they want to expand, they must look at other bases away from Scotland, such as STN/MAN/LPL/MME/TFS. They are intending to become Scotlands National Flag Carrier, so I'm sure that they will not forget GLA/EDI/ABZ. YYZ flights about to be launched from GLA for Winter 06 shortly.

[dwlpl]

LPL: TFS/PRG daily.

There is room for a route to be flown 3*per week during the winter from LPL.

Prague 4*per week
Tenerife daily

[webby1919]

PRG 4 weekly from end of Dec 06, my bet is that CMF will take care of the spare capacity from LPL.

[holidaymax]

So, it would appear that their Winter 06 schedule is huge. This is not including the TFS based A/C that will operate ABZ and MME.

Does anyone know the weekly schedule for the TFS based equipment?

[goldeneye]

It won't affect fly Globespan that muach as it has been rumoured that Globespan are ditching Air Transat for the Canadian programme in 2007. With Air Transat buying Canadian Affair the real losers will be Thomas Cook - UK and My Travel Airways who presently fly the UK - Canada charters on behalf of Canadian Affair.

Not sure if Thomas Cook will be the a looser on this, as Canadian Affair has made alot of its profits from the 35" seat pitch in TCX east canada flights so they may keep that contrat, west coast canada may be the looser for TCX and MYT especially. Also Travelpack have contract for TS in UK now, along side the TCX & MYT Flights. And Thomas Cook holidays sell the Canadian flights too.

[GW76]

Thanks for your kind reply webby
From what you say it looks like EDI is going to get an extra 38 flights (19 rotations) a week and GLA is going to lose 20 flights (10 rotations) a week, year on year. i count 4 routes dropped and quite a few new ones.
what is also very interesting is that 70% of the capacity increase is not for new routes but for existing ones that will be cannibalising your own revenue. for example:
increasing AGP from 2 weekly to daily...
increasing ALC from 2 weekly to daily and launching MJV on top etc etc
how much was GSM's profit last winter to be able to absorb such growth this winter?
GLA has an overall increase this with potentially more to come.
Cannabalising own revenue ? ...eh no. The idea is that the best performing routes can potentially create more profits. If they dont increase to meet demand someone else will ie EZY.

[gatwicknose]

Webby and Eff OH

I am not an ex employee of GSM nor am I disgruntled!! Simply adding a note of caution here...this thread is the lucky recipient of quite a bit of trumpet blowing...notably from WEBBY.....are you employee of the month...you speak in the third party but all of your posts take the form of small and reasonably detailed soundbites advertising the great current and future service that GSM is offering. I am more than delighted that GSM are doing well.....but as I said King Tom is in charge an will run roughshod over any expansion at a whim...there is absolutlely no-one in the organisation that would contradict him...senior staff either say yes tom or they are related!!! not a good situation... and before you say...yes I have met him more than once...this is why I have reservations!!!

[HH6702]

NCL - YYZ summer 20007

does anybody know if it is going to be with Zoom or GSM then?

im hoping for Zoom!!

[VOM1T]

Air Transat ? sold through Canadian Affair, perhaps........

[Jet_stream]

There is a rumour circulating that there will be a GLA - Amritsar charter flight this winter for an indian travel company. Not sure about this but it's being mentioned.

[webby1919]

GSM released Winter 06 & Summer 07 schedule for BFS-SFB weekly Tues departure, via GLA.

[Jet_stream]

Well yeah but its GLA - BFS - SFB.

[gatwicknose]

Nice one webby!! I know advertising is free here but at least get your routing correct.....King T would certainly not want to waste precious fuel on such a venture!!!

[caaardiff]

So, so far we've had BFS, MME, LPL, STN, MAN and extra GLA flights (correct me if theres more)
All within the space of a few weeks/months! They must be doing something right.
Anyone know where the new aircraft are coming from, and exactly how many they are getting?
I'm sure its been said before.... but CWL should be next! :ok:

[daz211]

i heard that stansted is getting newyork flight
poss 2 a day later on

[gatwicknose]

thats the second STN-NYC startup planned..I wonder who will get airbourne first... King T did rather leave STN in the lurch with the north south flights this year...I wonder if they will return to feed?

[Air Hop]

Hope not barking up wrong tree, but does anyone know what / who will be doing the EXT/BHX/YYZ/EXT charter in 07? Currently Air Transat with A310.

Many thanks,

:)

[XSBaggage]

There was a rumour earlier in this thread about an Amritsar charter flight for an Indian travel company. Has anyone heard anything more about it, and if it will be bookable from the UK? Also is it just a one off or a regular thing?

XSB

[dancav]

come on GSM and start a LPL - ATH service ASAP! :D :ok:

[Jet_stream]

The Amritsar flight is for a UK travel company who specialise in India....think it's Kohli Travel. Although there has been no official announcement to crew.

[jack_essex]

I'm hoping for a STN to US route. Stansted will have 4 daily American routes by the end of the summer but they are all business class. We need some economy prices across the Atlantic too.

[jabird]

What is the logic in operating GLA - BFS - SFB, instead of just doing SFB / BFS as a w and dropping one weekly GLA rotation?

[Jet_stream]

Will help fill up the tues flight out of GLA over the winter, and also if operated in a W then would have the added cost of transporting crew etc

[greatoaks]

Does anyone know the release date for summer '07 flights to ALC & MAH

cheers

[jabird]

Jet Stream, so I presume they are not using their own staff for check-in? Where would security staff for this flight come from - an addition of a few hours to the shift pattern for BFS to sort out?

I'm sure they've done the maths, but would have just thought it cheaper to position a small number of crew, rather than to operate a (50% full?) 767 over such a short sector?

[Jet_stream]

To be honest i wouldn't know about the cost of operating the flight, but MYT do it on one of their GLA - SFB flights so guess GSM are just testing the water. Maybe there are good cargo contract to be had from BFS??

Just came back from SFB this morning and we had alot of N. Irish pax onboard and they were delighted to hear about our new BFS - SFB service.

We'll see, cos one thing is for sure if it doesn't make money then it will be dropped quickly.

[doo]

If you look at the Canadian traffic, Zoom, Transat and Air Canada(although they have left Scotland now) they all do/did w patterns.

[webby1919]

New route due to be announced: GLA-BOS from May 07 with GSM, daily service.

[diesel36]

Flyglobespan unveils Glasgow-Boston link - taken from Travel Trade Gazette.


Friday, August 11, 2006


Scottish no-frills airline Flyglobespan is to launch a daily service from Glasgow to Boston, and is looking for code-share partners to spread its reach further into the US.
Flyglobespan will start the service on May 28 next year, offering business, premium economy and no-frills seats.
Flights will depart Glasgow at 11.00, arriving in Boston at lunchtime. The return flight will leave Boston at about 18.00, arriving in Glasgow at 07.00. The carrier will use a Boeing 737-800.
The service will carry about 255 people, with 40-50 seats in premium economy.
Passengers choosing not to order a meal can opt to go “no-frills”. Seat pitches will range from 30 inches to 50 inches for sleeper seats.
The move comes at a time when some North American airlines have been cutting transatlantic links to Scotland.
Tom Dalrymple, chairman, managing director and owner of Flyglobespan parent Globespan Group, is billing the Boston route as the first significant attempt to run a no-frills transatlantic service since Sir Freddie Laker’s Skytrain in the 1970s.
He added that the airline was open to code-share deals with other airlines ahead of any resolution to US-UK talks on flying restrictions. Dalrymple said he expected those discussions to conclude by the end of next year.
Talking about the Boston route, he said: “That aircraft could go onwards, and [any] new open skies arrangements will allow us to fly further.
“Interesting code-shares are something we will be seeking to get our passengers onwards into the depths of the US, and also to widen the distribution of product within the US coming into Scotland.”

[eastern wiseguy]

The carrier will use a Boeing 737-800.
The service will carry about 255 people, with 40-50 seats in premium economy.



cosy.........:uhoh:

[diesel36]

Flyglobespan unveils Glasgow-Boston link - taken from Travel Trade Gazette.


Friday, August 11, 2006


Scottish no-frills airline Flyglobespan is to launch a daily service from Glasgow to Boston, and is looking for code-share partners to spread its reach further into the US.
Flyglobespan will start the service on May 28 next year, offering business, premium economy and no-frills seats.
Flights will depart Glasgow at 11.00, arriving in Boston at lunchtime. The return flight will leave Boston at about 18.00, arriving in Glasgow at 07.00. The carrier will use a Boeing 737-800.
The service will carry about 255 people, with 40-50 seats in premium economy.
Passengers choosing not to order a meal can opt to go “no-frills”. Seat pitches will range from 30 inches to 50 inches for sleeper seats.
The move comes at a time when some North American airlines have been cutting transatlantic links to Scotland.
Tom Dalrymple, chairman, managing director and owner of Flyglobespan parent Globespan Group, is billing the Boston route as the first significant attempt to run a no-frills transatlantic service since Sir Freddie Laker’s Skytrain in the 1970s.
He added that the airline was open to code-share deals with other airlines ahead of any resolution to US-UK talks on flying restrictions. Dalrymple said he expected those discussions to conclude by the end of next year.
Talking about the Boston route, he said: “That aircraft could go onwards, and [any] new open skies arrangements will allow us to fly further.
“Interesting code-shares are something we will be seeking to get our passengers onwards into the depths of the US, and also to widen the distribution of product within the US coming into Scotland.”

[Eff Oh]

That must be an error. Our B767-300 only has 244 config! It does sound very much like the config of our B767. I can't see 50" sleeper seats on a B737 as well as the other main cabin. I knew the B737NG was being used on transatlantic flights, but wasn't sure where to.

[Voldermort]

Thats going to be one FULL B737-800:E

[diesel36]

Thats what i thought,

heard the 737-800 might be doing Lpl/Ewr as well.

They have also confirmed there order for 2 787 from ilfc.

[JamesA]

To add to eastern wiseguy's post, I would say 'very cosy' especially with the sleeper seat pitch considered.
What have they done to -800? When I worked them it was 189 seats in bucket and spade config.
Am I allowed to choose with whom I share my seat with??? Or is there an 'extra' low cost no-frills i.e. 'Standing?'

[Doors to Automatic]

If they use the 737NG on the trans-atlantic I suspect it will be in 2 class config.

[webby1919]

Think its a typo - sure it is meant to read B767-300, as this is the config of GSMs B767, 24 BUS/60PremECO/160 ECO.

[Damian O'Leary]

It's probably the number of passengers that is the typo rather than the equipment. Tom Dalrymple did speak before about the 737-800 opening up the possibility of longer haul routes, and he specifically mentioned Glasgow-Boston. A 763 would probably be overkill on this route.

Great news, though!

[aeulad]

Going on the seat capacity announced, one would expect a 763. I would have thought a 752 would have been the perfect aircraft for the route. GLA-BOS can't be much further than the likes of GLA-HRG and GLA-SSH?

Regards

Mike

[diesel36]

so glad there expanding, hope they do the same at manchester

seem like a good company

which im glad of as ive just accepted a job with them.

[daz211]

I would have thought that stansted would get longhaul
it has been said that they were going for newyork and orlando
from stansted but as yet nothing
I see that summer 2007 only shows stansted - chambery
can anyone give any info on summer 2007 other than
chambery ???

[goldeneye]

Going on the seat capacity announced, one would expect a 763. I would have thought a 752 would have been the perfect aircraft for the route. GLA-BOS can't be much further than the likes of GLA-HRG and GLA-SSH?
Regards
Mike

I would think your right about the 757, TCX use them on eastern canada flights ie YYZ & YOW, so pretty sure BOS is possible too.

Also if it is a 737-800, The Boeing website state the aircraft has a max range of 3060NM, where GLA-BOS is around 3030NM so its cutting it a bit close.

[Jet_stream]

Only Summer routes on sale at present are GLA - SFB, BFS - SFB, LPL - EWR. With the exception opf April dates for winter flights which come under summer 2007 timetable.

I would imagine MAN and STN and GLA will see further longhaul expansion when the 757's arrive. Wouldn't be surprised to see the GLA - BOS route extend onto LAS if/when it's allowed.

[initial]

Unlikely it they would continue, particularly as a low fare airline. I'm pretty sure passengers arriving in the US have to clear immigration and customs at the first airport they land at. This could take several hours and the plane would be sat there earning nothing. A codeshare with a us loco would be a more sensible option

[Pontious]

Initial
What relevance does the length of time for pax to clear immigration and customs when arriving in the US' have upon aircraft turnaround times?
Globespan sell their 767's in 3-class config and their 757's in 2-class config. Are there any US Lo-Cost operators that do the same thus enabling a 'code-share' agreement?
Globespan have been spending vast ammounts of money over the years buying blocks of seats on virtually ALL Scotland-US & Canada routes flown by the major scheduled carriers, if Globespan have spotted a profitable route they'll move onto it. All they've done is look at where there customers are flying to and brought their costs 'in house'.
:ok:

[Nakata77]

sorry if I am changing the subject a bit - Flyglobespan said they would consider re-offering Bournemouth from EDI and perhaps ABZ - does anyone know any details? Maybe easyJet will do it instead if its not soon.

[Richard Taylor]

Can't see a market for BOH-ABZ myself.

As much chance of me winning the lotte - HEY I'M RICH!! ;)

Seriously would imagine GSM would focus on "bucket 'n' spade" for ABZ to begin with.

And we need a STN route pleeeeeze!

When was BOH-EDI last served - was that with Euroscot or whatever they called themselves? 1-11? Or was it more recent?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Pontious
I think what he is driving at, is that a turn around time of between 2 and 3 hours, to allow pax to clear immigration and customs and check back in again, is a long time on the ground.
It might also mean crews will be out of hours or very tight for a two sector day, plus the aircraft is not earning money during this time.
This all adds cost to the operation and puts the break even load factor higher than a point to point operation.:ok:

[daz211]

come on someone out there must have some
news re stansted go on just a clue :rolleyes:

[Eff Oh]

May be a B757.

[webby1919]

Looks like the 2 B757s are now full-capacity:

1 B757 to LPL doing daily EWR
1 B757 to GLA doing daily BOS

[webby1919]

Also looks like Las Vegas will be released next. Not available to book on website, but it is in timetables section.

[av8767]

Is there a possibility that the Glasgow - Boston will be on the 737-800?.
Just made me thinks as the 767 is 3 class cabin, 757 will be 2 class cabin, but Boston is not being sold as "business" class but just either economy - no frills or economy - Premiuim service which is different to LPL - EWR?

[webby1919]

The premium economy flights only have a capacity of 8 at the most, so it is likely that the B737-800 will be operating this flight, reconfigured. That means that there is still 1 more B757 to account for S07.

[dwlpl]

The premium economy flights only have a capacity of 8 at the most, so it is likely that the B737-800 will be operating this flight, reconfigured. That means that there is still 1 more B757 to account for S07.

For reference:

757 proposed route: Liverpool - New York Newark
757 delivery: summer07
767 current route: Glasgow - Orlando Sanford
767 proposed route: Manchester - Toronto/Cape Town
767 delivery: summer07

[HH6702]

Have heard that management have had a visit to NCL last month looking around. Maybe some news soon?

[smith]

If you try to book GLA-SANFORD the taxes and fees for economy are £40 one way but for Premium Economy they are £60. Any idea why? Probably just a bit of stealth profit as the listed prices are £72 and £92 respectively.

[sparkymarky]

smith

Airport taxes are explained here:

http://www.visitbritain.com/VB3-en/transport/travellingto/air/airport_taxes.aspx

The relevant quote being:

# the rate for economy flights to all other destinations is £20
# the rate for club and first class fares for all other destinations is £40

[ladies and gentlemen]

LPL - EWR now available to book as 3 class service rather than the previous 2 class service. No mention of any seat pitches though!

[despegue]

Expect the Boston flights to be operated by B737NG equipment.

[sparkymarky]

despegue

Hi despegue, does that mean it will be 737-800 every day, or will busier days get 757 or 767?

That seems to leave quite a bit of spare capacity for the new 767 and 757 to go to other further destinations?

[dwlpl]

LPL - EWR now available to book as 3 class service rather than the previous 2 class service. No mention of any seat pitches though!


They do say it in there.

Economy No Frills - 30" pitch
Economy Premium Service Upgrade - 34" pitch
Business - 50" pitch

[ladies and gentlemen]

Hi dwlpl, I think you are reffering to the 767-300 aircraft operating from GLA and MAN, if you try and book LPL-EWR the same options for class and seat pitch are not given.

[dwlpl]

Hi dwlpl, I think you are reffering to the 767-300 aircraft operating from GLA and MAN, if you try and book LPL-EWR the same options for class and seat pitch are not given.

I got the info off the LPL/EWR route.

Go into the booking system on their website and select the three classes in turn and wait until it lists what you get for each fare.

Economy - No Frills
30" seat pitch

Economy - premium service upgrade
Priority check-in
Priority boarding
30kg luggage allowance
34" seat pitch

Business Class Service
Use of airport executive lounge prior to departure
Priority check-in
Priority boarding
40kg luggage allowance
Champagne prior to departure
Seats with 50" seat pitch

[av8767]

Does this mean that all their aircraft will be in different configs?
eg - 767 - 3 class (Sanford, Toronto, Capetown)
737-800/757? 3 class (Newark)
737-800/757? 2 class (Boston)
Rest of 737 fleet all Y class
Seems a bit odd for fleet utilisation/Maintenance checks etc?
Any ideas

[Jet_stream]

Artical from the Scotsman Re: GLA - BOS route.

http://business.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1186982006

mentions that the route will be operated by a mix of a/c 767/757/737.

[dwlpl]

The vacancies for Liverpool base lists the base as a dual base together with MAN.

The aircraft to be flown from the dual base is listed as 767/737.

[point5]

If you can fly the 767, then you can fly the 757, right?
Thats how it works at BA.

[touch&go]

Had a look at the CAA stats for may 06 and if I have read them right GSM had the best load factors of all the UK airlines at 87% and carried more pax that Tfly.

Have a look at the link.


http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airline_data/200605/04_1_All_Scheduled_Services_Table.pdf

[Flightrider]

Although it is the norm to common-rate 757/767 pilots, Thomsonfly have been experimenting with dual-rating pilots at smaller bases between the 737 and 757. Where they have one 737 and one 757 (I think Cardiff was the example used), the savings from needing a smaller crew establishment versus the increased training and recurrent costs make it worthwhile. Wouldn't be surprised if more operators started to do this, and with Globespan's increasing number of bases and fleet now split between 737, 757 and 767, it might make sense for them.

[Localiser Green]

If you can fly the 767, then you can fly the 757, right?
Thats how it works at BA.

Pretty much - you still need to do a differences course though to get 757/767 dual endorsement and I think you can then maintain currency on both by doing alternate sim checks (757-767-757-767....), no need to actually fly both types regularly.

[webby1919]

Another two routes launched from GLA for W06:

Direct to Barbados & Las Vegas. Barbados weekly and Las Vegas 2 weekly.

[Jet_stream]

Nice, looking forward to my weeks in Barbados over the winter.

[diesel36]

if there offering 3 class service on tthe gla sfb/bgi/las man/cpt maybe on the lpl/ewr i take it a third 767 is coming, maybe i missed it. are they getting more 767,s as someone said there looking at more longhaul from man..

[touch&go]

A third 767 is coming 2007 a full list of aircraft can be found here:

http://www.jethros.i12.com/fleets/fleet_listings/flyglobespan.htm

[alangirvan]

I am just wondering how Globespan will crew a weekly flight to Barbados. The distance looks a bit long to do in one shift - GLA-BGI-GLA - do the crew get a weeks lay over? Would they dead head up to Orlando?

[Jet_stream]

Re crewing for BGI....would have thought that it would be lower cost to have the crew stay for the week in hotac rather than all the combined costs of positioning 11 crew from BGI to Florida.

Would imagine that GSM will have a deal with one of the hotels which will feature in the BGI packages. Although I could be wrong....fingers crossed for the week though.

[bacardi walla]

....or block off enough seats down the back and position home. Maybe a crew will have positioned from Orlando to BGI to operate to GLA.

[XSBaggage]

Not CC myself, but was told by a friend in GSM long haul that there are duty restrictions which mean they can't position back to GLA on the same flight. Still, a week's layover on a "Low Cost" carrier? Weird.

Maybe they got a contract with a charter carrier to bring the crew back to GLA?

Or another more obvious one, they may announce another BGI service from another UK airport, each crew would stay only a few days.

XSB

[Jet_stream]

Could only position back after minimum rest, as rest onboard an a/c is not counted as rest.

However XSB you could very well be right about another BGI service from say STN or MAN....don't see it happening for this winter but if the route proves to be a succuss then im sure that would be a possibility.

[Mr Gammon Flaps]

Has anyone heard of any new routes being proposed from Manchester? It all appears to be happening up in Glasgow....

[webby1919]

Gla-alc/bcn/pmi Daily
Edi-alc/bcn/pmi Daily

Most of the usual Routes are Due To Be Released This Week.

[Jet_stream]

I would imagine when the 3rd 767 arrives sometime in spring this might be used from both GLA and MAN or even STN.....not known yet but will be interesting to see what happens.

[daz211]

someone must have insider news for GSM at stansted
I had heard that newyork was going to be as many a twice daily
from next summer ? come on just give us a clue !

[bycrewlgw]

I'm sure they'd be able to position straight away thought the rule was that you can have limited positioning before a flight (as long as it doesn't send you into discretion) but after the company can position you around the world? That right or have I got the wrong end of the stick? Plus MON used to (not sure if they still do) operate to Banjul then position back. The BGI flight would only be a few hours longer than that .

[longarm]

No reason why you can't position back after a flight (unless some local agreement doesn't allow it). Your max Flight duty period stops at on chocks. You can then be positioned regardless of the hours. The only proviso is that you then require a rest period as long as the preceeding duty period inc positioning.

[heslop2006]

Taken from Wikipedia

" n June 2006 Flyglobespan announced plans to operate out of Aberdeen International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_Airport) now that 24 hour airport operation there has been confirmed. The first route to operate from Aberdeen will be to Tenerife, commencing winter 2006. It has yet to announce further routes. Liverpool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool) will also be added to the Flyglobespan network from November 2006, with flights to Tenerife and Prague. The airline will also operate Liverpool's first long haul flight, to New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City) (Newark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark%2C_New_Jersey)), using Boeing 757-200 aircraft, daily from May 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007).
Flights to Toronto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) from Manchester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester) are due to commence in November, with two of the three weekly flights operated by Zoom Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_Airlines), in accordance with a new codeshare deal between the two airlines. Zoom flights from Toronto to Belfast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast), Cardiff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff), Glasgow, London Gatwick, London Stansted and Manchester are already available for booking on the Flyglobespan website, as well as Ottawa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa) to London Gatwick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Gatwick_Airport). It will also commence three times a week service Manchester to Cape Town (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Town), South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa) on November 4, 2006. Both these Manchester services will be operated by a Boeing 767.
Flyglobespan will also launch Northern Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland)'s first ever scheduled flights to Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida) with a weekly service to Orlando Sanford from Belfast International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_International_Airport) in November 2006.
Three further transatlantic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic) flights from Glasgow have also been announced for 2007; to Barbados (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados) from January, Las Vegas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas) from February and Boston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston%2C_Massachusetts), commencing in May of that year.
Flights from Durham Tees Valley Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham_Tees_Valley_Airport) to Tenerife will launch in 2007.
In order to meet the expansion of the airline's network, a further used Boeing 767-300 and new Boeing 737-700 will be leased from the International Lease Finance Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Lease_Finance_Corporation) (ILFC), while the airline's first Boeing 757 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757) will also join the fleet for the Liverpool to Newark service. There are plans to lease a third 767, second 757 and a further two 737s.
Flyglobespan announced in August 2006 that it would also lease two Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787) from the ILFC for ten years, to be delivered in March and November 2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010). "

[Jet_stream]

Yes all this info is widely known, what was your point?

[GW76]

Wikipedia- wot a hoot.
Anyone can add anything they like. Not the most reliable in my experience:bored:

[Jet_stream]

Well in this case all the info seems to be spot on.

[steelybops]

does anybody know where flyglobespan are getting there 757 from for liverpool to new york next year

[dwlpl]

May not be a 757 but a 767 because they are flying a three-class configurated aircraft.

[Jet_stream]

It's def going to be a 757, possibly wetlease Icelandair a/c at first and then proposed to operate 3 757's.

[diesel36]

jetstream

is wetlease with there crew and flight deck

when are gsm getting there 75,s and where they coming from

please dont say excel, dont they have 3 there getting rid off...:*

[jethro15]

It's def going to be a 757, possibly wetlease Icelandair a/c at first and then proposed to operate 3 757's.My info is that as things stand, there is no requirement for B757's

jethro
UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings
http://jethros.i12.com

[Pontious]

Jethro

MY information is that at least 1 B757 is coming. It will be two-class operating LPL-EWR-LPL and will be crewed by MAN B767 flight deck and cabin crew. The MAN based 767 will be operating MAN-CPT-MAN and will be the 2nd 'Big Boeing' to arrive due Sept/Oct 2006 with the B757 arriving Spring 2007 ready for the April launch of the EWR service.

Diesel'

Don't think it will be XLA's old machines as the 2 a/c destined to leave are only 104,326kg MTOM aircraft where as GSM will probably need 113,800kg machines as they maybe regularly going out at 79,500kg ZFW needing a full fuel load of 34,500kg to get to EWR with standard IFR reserves especially if the service is going to run year round with those notorious NY Area snowstorms.

:ok:

[dwlpl]

Jethro
MY information is that at least 1 B757 is coming. It will be two-class operating LPL-EWR-LPL and will be crewed by MAN B767 flight deck and cabin crew. The MAN based 767 will be operating MAN-CPT-MAN and will be the 2nd 'Big Boeing' to arrive due Sept/Oct 2006 with the B757 arriving Spring 2007 ready for the April launch of the EWR service.
Diesel'
Don't think it will be XLA's old machines as the 2 a/c destined to leave are only 104,326kg MTOM aircraft where as GSM will probably need 113,800kg machines as they maybe regularly going out at 79,500kg ZFW needing a full fuel load of 34,500kg to get to EWR with standard IFR reserves especially if the service is going to run year round with those notorious NY Area snowstorms.
:ok:
Why then are Globespan selling (and advertising the fact widely) seats in a three class configured aircraft (up until recently it was selling two classes only)?

They are also looking to fill vacancies at Liverpool with the line in the advert "All crew will be Manchester/Liverpool Dual Based operating on both B767 and B737 aircraft".

[steelybops]

Just to confirm Liverpool to newyork is in three classes my relatives have booked business and premium economy in june next year .

So where ar ethey getting three class 757's from or could they be the existing 767 although jhon lennon airport states 757.:ugh:

[dwlpl]

Jethro reckons that they will not go ahead with the 757.

Also, people who have booked can select their seat, ask you relative to go into the Globespan website and look at the set-up of the seating to see if its a 767 or not.

[diesel36]

pontious, thanks for reply

think this is going to be interesting to see what aircraft they use.

with 3 classes been advertised you would think 767

but there only getting 3

1 x gla/sfb daily
1 x cpt 3 weekly only fri spare in the summer
1 x gla/las 2x week gla/ bgi 1x weekly

so the third 767 wont have enough time to do a daily new york from lpl

if that makes sense...

[Ametyst]

diesel 36

Manchester to Cape Town is a winter only rout and finishes on 15th April 2007 So that would realease a '767

[diesel36]

on there website under timetables it states cape town summer 07..

[Ametyst]

diesel 36

What it actually says is Summer Timetable (April 2007)

If you open the timetable you will see that the last Cape Town to Manchester flight operates on 15th April 2007.

[webby1919]

There will be 3 B767s and 2 B757s:

1 B767 will operate GLA-SFB daily based GLA
1 B757 looks like its operating LPL-EWR daily based LPL
2 B767 completely free just now - will have to wait and see what S07 brings

1 B757 free - S07 destinations to be announced.

GSM are releasing S07 schedule at the moment, so it won;t be long till we find out what these planes will be used for.

[daz211]

I would have thought that stansted would get something
as the only summer flight is chambery and you cant even book it
the talk was that stansted would get upto 2 daily newyork flights
from GSM does anyone have any info ?

[av8767]

How financially "secure" are flyglobespan? The flights compared to other Loco airlines are priced at very low prices. Does this mean low bookings or genuine low fares. Especially last minute bookings. Tried to book for STN-ATH flying tomorrow for 1 week duration - £67 inc taxes!

[daz211]

av8767 not that cheap !
I hope you booked it as i have just looked at same route
flying tomorrow for 1 week and the price is £214 inc tax

[GoEDI]

How financially "secure" are flyglobespan? The flights compared to other Loco airlines are priced at very low prices. Does this mean low bookings or genuine low fares. Especially last minute bookings. Tried to book for STN-ATH flying tomorrow for 1 week duration - £67 inc taxes!

Got to be kidding! Most of the time GSM are so expensive that I rule them out as an option altogether if I'm looking for flights to a destination they serve... I can only really comment on the prices from EDI and GLA but maybe that's down to their popularity here.
However, I get £214 for the flights you mention too, not only that but ATH-STN appears to be sold out until 5th September, I wouldn't call that low bookings or low fares!

[Jet_stream]

high fares are good means flights almost full!!!! and the STN - ATH route has been a big success.....usually full everyday.

[Pontious]

So is the 'MAN' 767 may be MAN based for the winter then LPL based for the summer?

Are they only looking for 3 767's- 1 MAN/LPL based, 1GLA based & 1 spare?

All their new longhaul destinations COULD be served by the 113 tonne 757's,initially. KBOS direct from the UK, KLAS, BGI (and SFB if needs must) via BGR just as AIH(MYT),AMM,MON all used to do the late 80's and early 90's.

Their Canadian destinations could be served by ZOOM as they already serve all GSM's Canadian programme. Until such a time as GSM want to take them over themselves...?

Interesting times ahead...

:ok:

[webby1919]

The LPL flights will still be carried out by a B757, reconfigured for Premium service. See attached link. http://www.liverpooljohnlennonairport.co.uk/page.php?p=3&offset=0&media_id=163

The B757 will be re-configured to give P-ECO seating.

[Ametyst]

The link to the Liverpool Airport press release does not mention an aircraft type, it just says that the route will now be offering three classes instead of two.

[Pontious]

Thanks Gaz, that makes sense with a dedicated 767 serving the 'bread and butter' GLA-SFB route with the third unit on the 'non-daily' services while the 2nd covers MAN & LPL. I was originally told a future total fleet could be as large as 9 767's and 6 757's. No mention at that point of 787's though. I was told that the 767's will form the core of the long haul operations out of GLA,MAN and an unspecified base, whilst the 757's will serve key U.S. East Coast destinations from smaller UK regional airports. The latter strategy seems to work for AA and CO.

:ok:

[daz211]

can anyone tell me why you can not book chambery flights
out of stansted is it because they are all full or another
reason ?

[Jet_stream]

not sure whats happening with the CMF not heard anything about it being dropped.

[daz211]

at this time chambery is only showing from EDI and has
vanished from STN on gsm website but BAA website
says starts 23dec the same as EDI

[dwlpl]

diesel36

Jethro reckons there are to be no 757's in the Globespan fleet, so what are they going to do the LPL/EWR in keeping in mind also the Globespan statement saying "operating on both B767 and B737 aircraft".

[daz211]

If you look on STN BAA website under flight
timetables the stansted-chambery service
only ops 30mar-13apr:confused:

[afterdark]

.
.
I must aggree with some others GSM are not a cheap airline to fly with, esp the second season GLA - SFB prices have raised a lot from the first year, I was looking forward to booking a SFB flight but they have simply outpriced themselves, when you are looking to book for a party of 12 pax, 7 adults + 5 kids, ( not that I expect the kid seats to be cheaper but it is 2 x pairs of adults that have to find the extra funds ) you have to look at the overall cost £2000.00 extra, is asking too much for loyalty just to fly/support your local airline.
.
.

[captaintrigger]

Stansted to Chambery AXED!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't look good for you guys at Globespan Stansted does it.

A bloody shame. I used them to go to TFS this year and they were bloody great!!!

CT

[alangirvan]

Couple of Queries - the flights to Las Vegas are shown as operating until April - does anyone know if these will become year round flights? For people who live in Oz/NZ, flying to Scotland through LAX/SFO on AirNZ and then connecting through LAS to GLA would be a nice way to avoid connecting at Heathrow ( and it would be a buzz for some of us to fly in the ex AirNZ 763s)


When the 787s arrive in the fleet, will they fly similar routings to the network that the 763s are developing now? - Caribbean, Florida, perhaps Mexico? Will 787s do unrestricted departures from Glasgow, to use the 8500mile range - flights to Asia, perhaps?

[afterdark]

The flights to Las Vegas and Caribbean are basically for utilisation of aircraft due to downgrading of operations during the winter on the SFB route. I dont know it will become all year round flights but with the SFB flight not filling during certain weekdays they may change the route to 5 x weekly to SFB 1 x LAS & 1 x Caribbean, it is a tip toe on the routes if they become successful they may extend them with another ( 3rd ) 767 due in 07

The 787 that will be arriving in 2010 the market may have changed

according to the chairman of GSM He said: "We are looking at places like the Red Sea, North Africa, West Africa, the Caribbean and Mexico. New York, Boston, LA, Las Vegas and San Francisco all spring to mind."

read the full report here
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/62446.html

on another article
''However, by next summer ( 07 ) it will have a fleet of 19 airliners with two more 767s, two more 757s and three more 737s. The extra planes, all Boeings and all leased, are worth more than £300m. A fleet of that size makes flyglobespan bigger than, say, Icelandair''

read the full report here
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/62465.html

[daz211]

That all sounds good
but what about stansted they have just dropped chambery
and still no sign of longhaul ATH is doing well and so is TFS
I have to say the advertising in not good down here
and unless you know the airline and route you would'nt
even know the airline op from STN

[skyman771]

Just picking up on this thread & it would seem to me that there is considerable work to be done to reach agreement with other carriers if the GSM concept of 'mini hub', or connecting with other carriers flights at more 'remote' locations, ie the fundamental pax. benefit of through check of baggage is to be achieved.
Without this, particularly in the current security concious environment, the concept is simply not practical !... which tends to undermine some of Dalrymple's earlier rhetoric such as taken from the (Glasgow) Herald :-
'The deal even raises the prospects of Scotland turning into a mini-hub between America and Europe, with people getting off flyglobespan transatlantic flights in Glasgow or Edinburgh and switching to its short hops to the continent'.
What progress has been achieved so far ?
Hmmmmm:confused:

[Damian O'Leary]

LPL-PRG no longer appears bookable on the Flyglobespan website. Surely not another south of the border route dropped?

[av8767]

I can confirm that the Liverpool- Prague route has indeed been axed! I had a booking on this flight for DEC and just called reservations and was told all flight were cancelled due to "lack of interest". Never mind it looks like it will have to be JET2 from BLK as hotel is already booked

[av8767]

With regards to my above post. Is this why Globespan do not have a news section on their website as do other carriers so they do not have to officially announce new routes so they can back track on their decisions? Are Globespan making bad route decisions or just being cautious? I hope the latter for the sake of their future and employees.

[dwlpl]

One of the three flights per week on the MAN/Cape Town service has also disappeared.

[av8767]

Hi dwlpl, the Capetown starts 04 NOV twice weekly until 20th DEC when it starts 3 x weekly as planned.

[diesel36]

av8767 beat me too it..

nice trips for the crew in nov early dec

[gatwicknose]

As I have mentioned in the past...routes are always introduced with a trumpet and them withdrawn silently from the booking engine when they dont work... As my posts are always deleted by the powers that be and corrected by Webby 1919 who is responsible for GSM positive publicity this may not be here long. The airline business in far from philanthropic and GSM like anyone else will not sustain poor performing routes.....the growth is seeminly far too quick here....lets hope that Sir T of D doesnt get his fingers burnt!!

[webby1919]

Blah, blah, blah!!! Same old, same old. Gatwicknose - you always seem to pop up when GSM have done something negative - I think Mr Ds way of thinking is commendable - he doesn't operate a route that is going to run at a loss! That makes very good business sense - i wouldn;t be surprised if this route is replaced by another short route such as Chambery from Liverpool. Missing the good points - GSM have launched great routes for the Scottish public, from Euro routes to Longhaul routes such as LAS and BGI.

[daz211]

I dint think GSM would have any problem with any route
if they advertised I dont know what its like up north but
down here in the south the only place I have see an add
is on the BAA website
I dont know who in incharge of advertising for GSM
but In my eyes they are not doing a very good job
of it

[jabird]

Wasn't LPL - PRG basically a filler to ensure good a/c utilisation? Any suggestions for possible alternative route, especially considering existing comp from FR & U2 there?

[cwllpl]

There is no comp from Ryanair or Easyjet on the LPL - PRG route, there will only be globespan operating it.

[jabird]

cwllpl, I was refering to LPL as a base, not specifically LPL - PRG. U2 & FR already have plenty of routes - there are always plenty of opportunities for expansion, but putting bums in seats will always be harder for an airline with little other presence there.

LPL to PRG didn't seem to make much sense on its own merits, considering that U2 hadn't previously bothered. As a route to maximise a/c usage, then there is more logic to it, but it seems that loads were poor.

So, would they face the same problem operating another such route from LPL? As a long shot, there is still no competition on LPL-LON. Can think of numerous problems with such a route, but might that be one destination that GSM would have no problem marketing?

[gatwicknose]

question for you webby....

are you a current employee of GSM...just wondering....

I have no issues at all with TD he is a great businessman and has obviously found a niche for the scottish market... I have met him personally and spent time finding out what makes him tick. I just object to jingoistic posts..... in this case a route has been published and then stopped without explanation....previous posters are right....keep your public informed both positively and negatively.... its all well and good trumpeting new routes but you have to offer explanations when routes are canned...afterall Mr D thrives on publishing editorial on local press when he paunches a new service!!!

even webby would have to admit....quick to announce new things ...slightly slower to justify and announce failed routes?

[webby1919]

Yes I am, and happen to think that GSM are very successful, maybe this is down to not operating/dropping routes that are not profitable. The whole reason any company exists is to make profit ... GSM are the same!! As said before, PRG was a filler route to utilise the A/C. I'm sure that GSM will be around for a long time to come but maybe not as a private company. If expansion is to go UK-wide, I'm sure Mr D will have to float the company, but stay as head of the Board.

[jabird]

"even webby would have to admit....quick to announce new things ...slightly slower to justify and announce failed routes?"

GN, what makes GSM different from anyone else in this respect? Airlines only make a song and dance about stopping routes if they think they can blame someone else - e.g. the airport for high charges, or the government for continuing un-needed PSOs etc.

Webby, what do you think will replace LPL-PRG?

[daz211]

so as an insider whats going to happen at STN and will
it be any time soon ?

[Eff Oh]

Right on Webby! :ok: :ok: :ok:

[webby1919]

I'm not sure about STN - there was talks of launching longhaul, but not until next Summer. As for LPL, as it is maybe a bit late in the day to launch a new route, but time will tell. I think CMF would be a proposed route for LPL.

[Ametyst]

If Fly Globespan are so good then why when they stop a route do they not notify the passengers booked on the service.

I was (or am as far as I am concerned) booked on the Liverpool to Prague service. I have tried to get through by phone (Long wait, given up). I have sent an e-mail as to whether the flight is cancelled and more importantly when do I get my money back (No reply).

Good scam, start a route, take the money, earn the interest, return the money after earning interest in bank or aiding cash flow.

[diesel36]

ametyst

they do notify customers.

my mate was booked to go in dec and he got a phone call

said due to not enough interest it was been dropped

heres your refund... apologies

think they have done enough as far as he is concerned..

[Ametyst]

Thanks Diesel 36

However, all passengers should be informed not some passengers.

[diesel36]

when were you going

if after dec then you may be in the next lot to be told

if before dec then yes they should have told you.

[Ametyst]

Booked on first flight on 3rd November

[diesel36]

would have thought you would have been informed by know

my mate got told a couple of days ago

maybe they just missed you. sure they will get back to you.

hope you get it sorted....

[johnrizzo2000]

GSM should get in before EI do, and launch DUB to MCO/SFB! The number of Irish going to Orlando these days is huge, and nearly all have to go via PHL/EWR/ATL/ORD etc. We only get a fortnightly MON A330 to SFB!

[dwlpl]

Hi dwlpl, the Capetown starts 04 NOV twice weekly until 20th DEC when it starts 3 x weekly as planned.

It was originally three per week as confirmed here from various sites (did not think my memory was playing tricks).

www.ch-aviation.ch/airlinepage.php?code1=FGL

27.02.2006 - Fly Globespan (B4/Edinburgh) will launch three times weekly B767-300ER service from Manchester to Cape Town on November 6.


advertising

Manchester
Flyglobespan
1.3..6.


The three per week is still on the MAN website in the timetables section also.

[goldeneye]

GSM should get in before EI do, and launch DUB to MCO/SFB! The number of Irish going to Orlando these days is huge, and nearly all have to go via PHL/EWR/ATL/ORD etc. We only get a fortnightly MON A330 to SFB!

EI had a direct flight to MCO but dropped it last year i think. I believe they wanted to use the aircraft for alt route (possibly DXB) and it was not as popular as they hoped.

[afterdark]

I have too aggree with a couple of others Globespan are not good at letting Customers know of flight cancellations or dropped routes
letting Pax know 4 ( GLA - AMS ) days before the flight the route was dropped was appauling
besides that, Lots of travellers in Scotland even Glasgow still dont know they exist, who they are or what they do.

[gatwicknose]

Have to agree with webby, flotation is almost ineviatable...have to admit that the operation seems to have grown at a sustainable albeit very fast rate...Not sure how Mr D would deal with not being in command though,,he mayb have to go and polish his boat down in the south of france...last time I talked to him he said he had forgotten what it looked like!!!

[webby1919]

Thats probably because he's never done working! Imagine having all that wealth and not being able to enjoy it. He is doing spectacular things for the Scottish airline market, the cancelled flight to PRG aside, GSM do operate excellent routes at quite cheap prices, with frequent departures. They are a fast-growing company, who need some time to grow - I'm sure they learn from their mistakes.

[daz211]

lesson No1 ADVERTISING :ugh:

[sparkymarky]

One place that Globespan do a lot of advertising is the Metro free sheet.

Not very visible if you don't get the bus/train to work, but highly effective since the demographics of the reader base are very good for a travel company.

[daz211]

I have to say that I have never seen or heard
any advertising for GSM in the south (STN)
I only live 20min from stansted and only know
about the airlines routes from here and baa
website

[CHIVILCOY]

Regarding Globespan advertising.

Maybe Mr Dalrymple needs to follow the example of another loco boss.
What is that I hear you ask?

Definition of a loco boss looking for free advertising would be actions carried out by one person which will bring free publicity to your company for example,self backslapping,over the top complaining of Government policies,slagging off other airlines when you see them as a threat, ignoring your own passengers when they complain about your services and generally acting like a spoilt two year old whenever a camera is pointed at you.

[daz211]

why the attack on other low cost airlines

if you mean ryanair and easyjet they are a household name
now and all I was trying to point out was a lack of something
which is so very importent to GSM if it canx flights due to
lack of bums on seats (advertising may be why)
and from what I have read on here yes your right the negative
advertising has started due to canx routes

I have nothing against GSM and wish them all the luck in
the world and look forward to more routes all im saying
is if you dont advertise the routes well enough in your
catchment area your not going to get the bums on seats
but the bums are out there and willing to buy seats if
they were to be told about the routes

[CHIVILCOY]

Edited to remove the full quote of the previous post. Bad enough we had to live with a total lack of capitalization and punctuation once.

It was some tongue in cheek advice for Mr Dalrymple to get his airline more widely known but I suspect he has a bit more class to go down that road.:=

[webby1919]

New A/C for S07:

B737 -800 - 1
B737 -700 - 3
B767 -300 - 2
B757 -200 - 4

Lotso of expansion to come by the sounds of it.

[Ametyst]

Oh good. Lots more routes to announce and cancel

[webby1919]

lol. I'm sure they won't probably most of the expansion will be in GLA and EDI for S07 so I;m sure you'll have nothing to worry about.:rolleyes:

[gatwicknose]

webby cured me....I am now through whining about GSM!!! Hope it all goes well....Mr D far too sensible and canny to indulge in ay kind of bransonesque tomfoolery...good on him...the over virgining of virgin has turned me off using them alltogether

[exloadie]

the reason they hav edropped the LPL-PRG route is due to slots in PRG.If teh flight was delayed @LPL (closed during night for runway repairs) then getting into PRG was going to be a problem,well thats the line they are giving out

[webby1919]

Seems that GSM will operate flights from Toronto Hamilton to many many major airports in the UK for S07.

Flights will be operated by the B757-200 series, with 189 capacity. 12 UK destinations in total, Belfast, Birmingham, Doncaster, Dublin, Edinburgh, Exeter, Glasgow, Liverpool, London Stansted, Manchester, Newcastle and Shannon.

Belfast - weekly Thurs departure
Birmingham - weekly Wed departure
Doncaster - weekly Mon departure
Dublin - to be released on Fri 15 Sept
Edinburgh - weekly Fri departure
Exeter - weekly Tues departure
Glasgow - DAILY departures throughtout Summer 07.
Liverpool - weekly Sun departure
London Stansted - DAILY departues throughout Summer 07
Manchester - DAILY departures throughout Summer 07.
Newcastle - weekly Saturday departure
Shannon - to be released on Fri 15 Sept

[daz211]

I just cant understand if YYZ in going to be every day ex STN
why is there no advertising i guess they will drop the
route after a while due to lack of intrest:ugh:

[diesel36]

i presume globespan the tour operator will do the advertising as the flights will obviously be for them

but where are these 757-200 coming from

nobody seems to have any idea

where do you get 4 decent 757,s

seem to be thin on the ground

does anybody from gsm know where they are coming from..

nobody seems to know. mr tom must be keeping it a secret..:)

[SwissportSFB]

I have enjoyed working with this airline. This a well-rounded airline, and I wish it would rub off onto some of the other airlines that fly into SFB. ;)

[jimbo canuck]

The Hamilton Airport website has a news release today about the GSM flights. They are saying there will be three flights daily implying some will be double drops. Flights start in May 07 with booking available from October this year.

[BALIX]

Hmmm, interesting. How will this affect Globespan's relationship with Transat? Also, it looks as they will be going head to head with Canadian Affair/TCX who also use 189 seat 757s to Toronto YYZ from Glasgow, Gatwick, Birmingham and Manchester. I was on the GLA-YYZ flight this summer and it was excellent - will GSM manage to get 35 inch seat pitch on their 757s?

[transwede]

NCL is being rumoured as a GSM destination from Hamilton, also Canadian Affair will use TCX for 757 service from NCL. Canadian Affair is part of the Air Transat group. Globespan (holiday part) have cancelled their long standing contract with Air Transat in favour of using GSM and Zoom.

[shlittlenellie]

Where would you get 4 decent 757s from?

Thomsonfly.

[diesel36]

and are thomsonfly getting rid of 4..

[Jet_stream]

Daily flights

GLA - YHM
MAN - YHM
STN - YHM

Weekly

BFS, BHX, DSA, EDI, EXT, LPL, NCL - YHM
MAN - YYZ (767)

Not yet bookable from UK as yet with the exception on the MAN - YYZ.

With DUB and SNN - YHM due on sale 15 Sep

[diesel36]

well they must have some knowledge of where there getting there 757 from putting that lot on sale

good luck to them hope they get reliable ones to do that lot...

[crackling jet]

Seems that GSM will operate flights from Toronto Hamilton to many many major airports in the UK for S07.

Flights will be operated by the B757-200 series, with 189 capacity. 12 UK destinations in total, Belfast, Birmingham, Doncaster, Dublin, Edinburgh, Exeter, Glasgow, Liverpool, London Stansted, Manchester, Newcastle and Shannon.

Belfast - weekly Thurs departure
Birmingham - weekly Wed departure
Doncaster - weekly Mon departure
Dublin - to be released on Fri 15 Sept
Edinburgh - weekly Fri departure
Exeter - weekly Tues departure
Glasgow - DAILY departures throughtout Summer 07.
Liverpool - weekly Sun departure
London Stansted - DAILY departues throughout Summer 07
Manchester - DAILY departures throughout Summer 07.
Newcastle - weekly Saturday departure
Shannon - to be released on Fri 15 Sept


with all these routes being anounced, why do all airlines avoid bristol like the plague, i know in the past all airlines that have operated to canada from Bristol have had the kiss of death on them, ie Oddessy,Canada 3000, tradewinds, all went out of bussiness, though not because of operating into brs !!, but the loads always seemed to be pretty good, would be nice to see a canadian route on the board again as if Cwl and Ext can do it whats the problem with Bristol ?

[crackling jet]

just realised my mistake before you all jump on it, Tradewinds did not operate Toronto route, it was Worldways. so back on subject,any plans for any flyglobespan operation in the future at bristol,as it seems like they are going everywhere else in the u.k.

[goldeneye]

Im guessing they have got a good deal from Hamilton Airport, but wii pax really want to fly there if going to Toronto it self when you have a shed load of flights in to YYZ. ie AC, BA, TS, TCX, MYT, OOM from LHR, LGW, STN, EXT, BHX, MAN, GLA, EDI, NCL, CWL, BFS.
Also Hamilton is around 56 miles to central Toronto (further from the airport.) and a bit less to Niagara Falls.

[diesel36]

best thing for them is globespan holidays

obviously there going to be pushing it very hard..

[diesel36]

where are the 4 757 coming from for globespan ????????

this is the question nobody knows..

[BALIX]

Canadian Affair is part of the Air Transat group.

Don't think it is. According to the company website it is the trading name of a privately owned company called The Airline Seat Company Ltd.

Would be very surprised if it had anything to do with Transat as it charters aircraft from TCX and MYT (although I think it utilises the odd Transat service in the winter).

Back to GSM, they will have to go some to match the TCX 757 flights for comfort. Good luck to them though...

[skyman771]

BALIX

Can you define 'comfort' in terms of seat pitch & width please.

[airhumberside]

Air Transat's Holding Company has bought either Canadian Affair or The Airline Seat Company. This is a recent move, hence this summer. Air Transat is doing none of Canadian Affairs flights. This will change next summer though (not sure about this winter's flights)

[goldeneye]

Yes Canadian Affair were purchased by Transat AT in early august for about 20 Million Euros. see here (http://www.transat.com/en/media_centre/2.0.media.centre.asp?id=948)

Dont think this will have any impact on TCX/MYT for next summer as C.Affair are still selling them, in addition to TS flights. Also during the winter season C.Affair sell Monarch on YYC flights from LGW & MAN. But after that we will see.

[daz211]

Whyte said Hamilton is the right choice for a low-cost carrier. "We chose Hamilton because ... as a low-cost carrier we try to operate into the regional airports," he said. "Our customer base in the U.S. is sophisticated in that they know it's a lot less hassle to fly out of regional airports.
"We have to turn our airplanes quickly, we can't afford to wait three or four hours to get back on line, we want to do it in 20 minutes if we can," he said. "This is also a large base, we have two-and-a-half million people just in this area. That's a good base for us and if we have no competition, which we don't at this point, we're probably going to be the flavour of the month."

[james170969]

daz211

If this is the case then why did they move from Prestwick to Glasgow Airport?

[BALIX]

Can you define 'comfort' in terms of seat pitch & width please.

35 inch seat pitch. Don't know about the width but seating was a standard 3x3 757. I know we are not talking Eos or Maxjet here but it is definitely the most comfortable transatlantic crossing I've had in economy class. No PTVs on the 757 but I will happly give up PTVs for an extra few inches of seat pitch. It cost less than the other alternatives as well.

Oh, and I bow to the superior knowledge of airhumberside, goldeneye and transwede regarding Transat's takeover of Canadian Affair. I must have missed the takeover news as I was in Canada at the time ;)

[skyman771]

Don't really want to go on too much about TCX on a GSM thread, but I'd be amazed if either GSM or TCX offered 35 inch pitch in 'cattle' / 'Y'. You won't normally find many of the regular scheduled airlines operating across 'the pond' offering > 32 inches, i.e. BA, AA 31 inches.
I can't see that even with the intended 189 pax config. will result in a universal 35 inch pitch, more likely just in a smaller premium section & 31 inches in the remaining section.
Incidentally PTV systems in BA for example are mounted under the seats, and even on BA in 'Y' the seats and any comfort compromise is minimal, and still better than current IT offerings.

[goldeneye]

skyman771

TCX have operated Boeing 757-200 to eastern canada for the last few years with 187 seat in an all economy layout, all seats have a 35" seat pitch.
I believe that the GSM flights are going to be 3 class so i doubt they will have the 35" seat pitch in Y.

[Ambulance 'Charlie Alpha']

Yep 'tis true.

35 inches in 'Y' on TCX. 187 seats though, not 189. I know 'cause I fly it.

Cheers

ACA

[webby1919]

It seems that GSMs config for longhaul works best - with No-Frills/Premium Upgrade/Business classes - maybe more profitable if there is a Bus class. I'm sure they'll do well.

[Jet_stream]

Business class has proven to be very popular on GLA - SFB route, also alot of American pax using the Business service too.

[MarkD]

Toronto's landing charges are known to be huge and IATA are forever moaning about them. If globespan can make a go of it GTAA will be shuddering as they are in the middle of enormous terminal construction and suffering reduced shop sales due to carry-on rules.

Hamilton's historic problem for a lot of routes is that once people get on the QEW to go there they might keep going to Buffalo, but that's not a problem on UK/Ireland routes. NW's rumoured TA 757s ex DTW would also be an issue for catchment in the area southwest of HAM.

[webby1919]

UK Site updated now for S07:

GLA-YHM - daily - B757-200

GLA-YVR - twice weekly - B767-300

GLA-YYC - weekly - B767-300

MAN-YVR - twice weekly - B767-300

MAN-YYC - weekly - B767-300

LGW-YVR - 3 weekly - B767-300

LGW-YYC - weekly - B767-300

All flights operated with GSM own A/c

[dwlpl]

There is a news item thats saying that FlyGlobespan is thinking af switching its yet-to-be-launched Liverpool to New York-Newark flight to serve New York JFK airport.

Must be a strong possibility if this has been made public.

[johnrizzo2000]

Its a pity GSM doesnt start DUB-YYZ, or YVR! Theres a large amount of Irish in Vancouver, and a lot of tourists from Canada and Ireland visiting both sides! Maybe if we had open skies with Canada it would happen!!!!:ugh:

[airhumberside]

I thought GSM were due to announce DUB/SNN-YHM today?

[MarkD]

johnrizzo

see my post above. GSM have obviously got a sweet deal from YHM.

[Joe Curry]

daz211
If this is the case then why did they move from Prestwick to Glasgow Airport?

They got an offer from BAA they couldn't refuse:=

[steelybops]

There is a news item thats saying that FlyGlobespan is thinking af switching its yet-to-be-launched Liverpool to New York-Newark flight to serve New York JFK airport.

Must be a strong possibility if this has been made public.


how true is this ,where has this been made public ?

I hope your wrong I've booked my US internal flights back to EWR to meet them.

[GW76]

They got an offer from BAA they couldn't refuse:=
And the problem with that is...?
Just as PIK gave FR a deal to move from GLA to PIK.
Seems good business sense rather than conspiracy theories.
Tom Dalrymple seems to know what hes doing and know where the demand and facilities are with his massive long haul expansion from GLA.:rolleyes:

[Voldermort]

GW76 said-
"Just as PIK gave FR a deal to move from GLA to PIK":confused:
If my old memory serves me correctly FR stopped using GLA around 1988 and started at PIK in May 94 hardly a "move".
Not only is this statement irrelevant to the thread but pretty much everything else as well:ugh:

[GW76]

Voldermort

So irrelevant that youve continued to comment on it:confused:
The comparison between airlines choosing between GLA and PIK just as GSM did (thread about GSM incase youve missed it ) is entirely relevant. You are obviously missing the point.
Perhaps not a move from GLA , but certainly an informed choice between the two when Scottish ops were planned. It is a fact that PIK much cheaper landing fees.:rolleyes:

[Oshkosh George]

And the problem with that is...?
Just as PIK gave FR a deal to move from GLA to PIK.
Seems good business sense rather than conspiracy theories.
Tom Dalrymple seems to know what hes doing and know where the demand and facilities are with his massive long haul expansion from GLA.:rolleyes:
Joe made a simple statement of fact. There was no comment. I think all the 'conspiracy' is coming from your end.

[johnrizzo2000]

On the GSM website it lists many places as having service to Toronto (Hamilton). GLA and CWL just have Toronto, so will some cities have YYZ service, and others have Hamilton?

[airhumberside]

YYZ is this winter. YHM start next summer

[dwlpl]

how true is this ,where has this been made public ?
I hope your wrong I've booked my US internal flights back to EWR to meet them.

It was said by Neil Pakey the Liverpool Airport Managing Director when picking up the ' Liverpool Director of the Year at the Institute of Directors' award last Thursday.

He said "The switch is under consideration. If they go ahead it is kind of neat that we would have JLA to JFK."

For the full article go to http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200businessnews/tm_objectid=17753171%26method=full%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

[Richard Taylor]

Any nearer knowing which routes GSM are going to launch from their proposed ABZ base next year? Any announcement imminent?

Ta.

[johnrizzo2000]

Oh, thanks for clearing that up! I'm happy we will finally see GSM in Dublin! I hope we see further expansion from GSM in Dublin, and I hope their YHM route is succesful! When I first read the thread, I though it said Dublin-YHZ, and I thought they were crazy starting so many routes out of Halifax!:rolleyes:

[afterdark]

GSM May 2007 Transatlantic so far ..... maybe !

Glasgow to Boston no frills + premium eco = 737-700/757 daily
Glasgow to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + business = 757 daily
Glasgow to SFB no frills + premium eco + business = 767 daily
Glasgow to Calgary no frills + premium eco + business = 767 Friday
Glasgow to Vancouver no frills + premium eco + business = 767 Friday & Monday

London Stansted to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + business = 757 daily

London Gatwick to Calgary no frills + premium eco + business = 767 Tuesday
London Gatwick to Vancouver no frills + premium eco + business = 767 Tuesday & Thursday & Sunday

Manchester to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + buisness = 757
Manchester to Calgary no frills + premium eco + business = 767 Wednesday
Manchester to Vancouver no frills + premium eco + business = 767 Wednesday & Saturday

Liverpool to Newark no frills + premium eco + business = 757/767 daily

1 Liverpool to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + business = 757 Monday
2 Doncaster to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + business = 757 Tuesday
3 Exeter to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + business = 757 Wednesday
4 Birmingham to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + business = 757 Thursday
5 Belfast, Shannon & Dublin to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + business = 757 Friday
6 Edinburgh to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + business = 757 Saturday
7 Newcastle to Hamilton no frills + premium eco + business = 757 Sunday

** GLA - BOS / LPL -EWR no seat pitch yet ( poss aircraft undecided )
fits with romoured
4 x 757 ( Hamilton flights green shared 757 aircraft indigo based 757)
3 x 767 ( in red is shared 767 aircraft blue is based 767 aircraft )
2 x 737-700 ( one for GLA - BOS possibly + one for ABZ - TFS & Eastern Med or Red Sea areas )

[Pontious]

Afterdark

Do you also have the days or timings for the GLA-Las Vegas & GLA- BGI services?

Isn't the MAN-CPT 767 transferring to LPL for the S07 programme?

The 2nd 767 arrives mid October, what about the rest of the aircraft?

Are the 757's being operated on a damp lease?

:ok:

[webby1919]

The LPL-EWR/JFK is operated on a B757-200!! The GLA-BOS is operated on B738.

As for the ABZ shorthaul flights, I've heard the usual destinations: ALC/AGP/PRG/BCN/TFS/PFO/FAO/PMI

Will have to wait and see - should be out shortly.

[Tosh McCaber]

Are they setting up a base in Aberdeen, or just commuting to/from there?

[webby1919]

A small base will open up for ABZ - a 1-aircraft base - B737-700.

[jabird]

What is the real advantage of JFK over EWR? Both have fairly similar two-staged ground transfers, JFK doesn't have the out-of-state taxi fares, but would that be enough of a reason?

Or - is this tie up which TD mentioned before when launching the Boston route going to be with a certain blue airline which has a presence at JFK and BOS?

[webby1919]

I also heard that Mr D was looking at code-share and onward transfers for the BOS route, so that may tie up with his plans.

[gatwicknose]

Not wanting to be rude...but I doubt very much whether a certain Blue airline would be interested in such an association...they do pretty well unassisted

[goldeneye]

Now firstly im not knocking GSM in anyway, but i really cant see two flights operating to Toronto from Exeter working, albeit to YHM with GSM and Air Transat have there YYZ flight (which Globespan have nothing to do with now). Is there really the demand for a Boeing 757 and an Airbus A310 on this route from the southwest, also both of them operating on a wednesday.

Not just EXT i suppose, theres going to be alot of flights operating to Toronto area next year.

4 airlines on GLA-TORONTO - GSM, TS, OOM, TCX
6 airlines on LON -TORONTO - AC, BA, TS, OOM, TCX, GSM
3 airlines on BHX - TORONTO - TS, GSM, AI
4 airlines on MAN - TORONTO - TS, OOM, TCX, AC, GSM.

[daz211]

The GSM flight is one day a week from exeter using a B757 this flight starts at stansted so most of the seat I guess will be sold to STN pax.
I dont see the problem at exeter being as big as you make out .

[Jamesair]

All of the Hamilton flts have been released for sale on the GSM website today with timing details.

[gatwicknose]

Zoom will flourish with that kind of suppport GAZ but Jetblue??? They make excellent profits and have been non alligned for quite a while so cant see the virtue from their point of view... However if webby is in the house today this simply proves that far from being altruistic the whole thing is in place to make money...dispite what the press are told.

[webby1919]

Ahem Gatwicknose

I'm here. There are rumours about JetBlue but I don't know if it'll happen. But I am certain that Mr D will more than likely keep looking for a code-share partner for connections from BOS onwards, it's bound to come sooner or later. No-one saw YHM coming!!! Will just have to wait and see. There are also rumours of a 4th B767 coming for S07 due to the increased expansion.

[Mr Gammon Flaps]

Where do you think they will base the 4th 767. Any goss on the routes. I heard Los Angeles was on the cards.

[webby1919]

There is also the possibility of the Red Sea, more South African destinations, LAX and SFO. Sydney is the destination that Mr D wants GSM to operate from GLA.

[Jet_stream]

Just back from SFB trip and was told on that by the Capt that 2nd 763 coming 22 October, 3rd 763 in service for Spring 2007 and 4th by Summer 2007. more than likely from NZ.

[Huyin]

The GSM flight is one day a week from exeter using a B757 this flight starts at stansted so most of the seat I guess will be sold to STN pax.
I dont see the problem at exeter being as big as you make out .
Daz
Think I'll side with Goldeneye on this one.With a one stop each way for STN pax & if other flights through smaller stations are routed in the same way ,i.e. to STN,then surely the higher yield will be generated by the non stop (EXT) sectors, especially if STN can offer a choice of days to fly to Toronto .Thus ,the allocation of seats would be greater for EXT both on the grounds of yield & lack of frequency.The question seems to be as Goldeneye put it "Is there room for the 2 services?"
Another interesting aspect will be pax checking in for two airlines offering multi class service to two different Toronto airports alongside each other at the same time given that EXT has a MAX of 6 check in desks to contain this total operation.(Assuming there is no further clash with any other operator on the Wednesday)

[alangirvan]

It will be fantastic if GSM does come to SYD (and other cities in Australia and NZ - there are more cities than just SYD). GSM would want to find a couple of 777s to fly non-stop from GLA/STN to an Asian transfer point. Then put the pax onto a like minded Australian/Kiwi carrier to get them to their final destination.

(Is anyone good with a paintbox, to do an artists impression of a 777 in GSM colours?)

[Ametyst]

Perhaps the 787s planned for 2010 are for Sydney?

[alangirvan]

Yeah, but 2010 is ages away.

[gatwicknose]

Just jousting webby!! Was just speculating on whether Jetblue would have already dipped their toes into the cold atlantic waters or whether like southwest they just stuck to what they did best??? Oddly enough this was one of the things Mr D and I discussed when we met last year.....virtual networks and all that good stuff.Hoping the long haul model can support low or at least reasonably priced seats!!Am in kennedy this weekend so will tap up a pal at Jet Blue for info.

[webby1919]

Flights from LPL-EWR have been ditched in favour of JFK now for S07 - must be something to do with onward connections.

[despegue]

Well, Boston and JFK are a hub of whom?...

[goldeneye]

It will be fantastic if GSM does come to SYD (and other cities in Australia and NZ - there are more cities than just SYD). GSM would want to find a couple of 777s to fly non-stop from GLA/STN to an Asian transfer point. Then put the pax onto a like minded Australian/Kiwi carrier to get them to their final destination.
(Is anyone good with a paintbox, to do an artists impression of a 777 in GSM colours?)

The Globespan group were to launch flight from GLA to SYD back in the 90's with a DC10 from there inhouse airline Excalibur, but they had issues and the carrier went to the wall. So i can see them wanting to do this route again.

[daz211]

Summer 2007 (STN)

I see from the GSM website that summer 07 is only showing (Hamilton).
Are there to to any other routes, I know the TFS is all year round, nothing for ATH on the website thought it was doing well.
Some long haul would be nice.

Can anyone give any news?

[gatwicknose]

Ahhh excalibur....one of the first passenger power failures!! spill a little oil on a cowling and everyone runs a mile... it was a big shame EXC were a great bunch to work with... DC10 not the best of a/c for that job though

[Mr Gammon Flaps]

I heard from one of the guys on the ramp at SFB that they were expecting GSM flights from MAN.

[Skipness One Echo]

It will be fantastic if GSM does come to SYD (and other cities in Australia and NZ - there are more cities than just SYD). GSM would want to find a couple of 777s to fly non-stop from GLA/STN to an Asian transfer point. Then put the pax onto a like minded Australian/Kiwi carrier to get them to their final destination.
(Is anyone good with a paintbox, to do an artists impression of a 777 in GSM colours?)

Hell of a lot easier to fly with BA \ QANTAS if you need to connect. GSM MIGHT succeed point to point on holiday makers but dream on for connections en masse. That's spotters talk for the high road to bankruptcy!