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maxgrad
3rd Jul 2006, 23:35
This one has been done before but unable to lacate the threads.....so
Is a call required when:
CTA/radar identified
Leaving a level after maintaining?
Maintaining a level once reached on climb?
OCTA/non radar identified
Leaving a level after maintaining?
Maintaining a level once reached on climb?
Jepp ref ATC AU-806 3.5.1.6......
I have discussed this with many an ATO/chief pilot/line driver and have had many varying and interesting answers.
Normally I would not give the call in radr identified space unless it may assist the ATCers. I do give the call(s) OCTA.
What do the ATCers req?
jack red
3rd Jul 2006, 23:58
CTA/radar identified
Leaving a level after maintaining?
YES - (AU 806 3.5.1.6)
Maintaining a level once reached on climb?
NO. - Unless requested by ATC
OCTA/non radar identified
Leaving a level after maintaining?
YES
Maintaining a level once reached on climb?
YES
Howard Hughes
4th Jul 2006, 00:13
I am with Jack!:D
But what about OCTA and radar identified?
I'll go with same as for CTA/radar identified...:ok:
No Further Requirements
4th Jul 2006, 00:23
But what about OCTA and radar identified?
I'll go with same as for CTA/radar identified.
Yep, I'll find the reference shortly....
NFR.
No Further Requirements
4th Jul 2006, 00:40
AIP ENR para 10.3.5 "Pilots must report maintaining an assigned level, unless ATC have advised IDENTIFIED" Doesn't make an OCTA/CTA distinction.
Cheers (and sorry for Jepps users, I don't have that reference)
NFR.
3 Holer
4th Jul 2006, 00:47
I'm with Jack & Howard H.
AU-705 1.9.1.6 (the only reference to identified/non-identified. Can't find NFR's Jepp equivilent)
AU-703 1.6.1 & 1.6.2
AU-801 2.1.3
AU-813 11.1
The answer may seem obvious given the above, but I have heard varying opinions on this one also.
-When OCTA and out of VHF range, do ATC require a maintaining and leaving call to be relayed through flightwatch on HF (in addition to taxi, departure, requesting traffic for descent and cancelling sarwatch calls)?
-If you are flying a short sector (OCTA and no VHF) and have been given traffic for climb cruise and descent, are the maintaining and leaving calls still required - since you have already been given traffic for the whole sector?
Obviously you would be monitoring the HF and broadcasting on area frequency throughout the scenario.
Cheers:ok:
maxgrad
4th Jul 2006, 02:27
Seems like there is agreement. Taken on board.
M.25
I give a call HF maintaining/left level OCTA and VHF(even when out of range)