Flybe - 2

[OltonPete]

Hey guys i work for flybe and the 1st embraer is going to SOU in September operating on the SOU-EDI's very busy route, it was announced within our staff newsletter the other day.

I thought BHX was in line for the first 195, has this changed and is there
any info when it is likely to arrive?

OltonPete

[dustybin]

What about GLA/ EDI they need some new routes too, BHD/GLA/EDI seem to be left out when it comes to expanding.

[ESCNI]

Probably too much opposition from the BIA/GLA/EDI routes.

[GoEDI]

What about GLA/ EDI they need some new routes too, BHD/GLA/EDI seem to be left out when it comes to expanding.

EDI has seen some expansion this summer with daily flights to JER, NWI increased 2/3 daily and new summer flights to NQY. Now with the promise of EMB195s on some of the SOU flights things aren't all that bad....

[WOWBOY]

Well out of the three GLA has seen the least expansion as of late!

Belfast City has just got connection's with Doncaster Sheffield and Galway by Flybe. Edinburgh as stated by GoEDI has had new summer flights to Jersey, Norwich has been uped in frequencey and a new summer service to Newquay has just started.
While Glasgow has had Norwich as it's latest route by Flybe, no additional Norwich flights or Newquay services.

Does anyone know what happened to flybe's plans to operate from Edinburgh and Glasgow to France etc? They said a Winter 2006 start!
And yet there has been no announcement.

[WOWBOY]

As of 30 Oct 06 Exeter -> Norwich will go down to 2x weekly on Mon & Fri, route looking dangerously close to being axed!?

Anyone know of passenger levels for this route?

[Air Hop]

Wowboy

I think your info is wrong. Flybe website shows a service daily but at different times depending upon the day!

[uncovered]

Flybe are keeping NWI-EXT daily. Route is going great guns and has completely suprised management.

Removal of services to MJV,FAO, BOD for the winter is part of Flybe's normal scheduling model for immature routes and is no indication of how they view NWI. Management are happy with NWI services in the main.

[WOWBOY]

Sorry guys!

I read the timetable wrong. I thought that the route was doing well and it suprised me when i thought i read it going down to 2x weekly.

I must read more carefully! :} :E

[Outoftheblue22]

NWI seems to be the rage at the moment! WOW's services BRSNWI seem to be doing well too.

[NickBarnes]

Excellent good to hear AirSouthwest and Flybe are doing well from NWI and hope this will continue

[eastern wiseguy]

Outoftheblue22

Flybe couldn't make BHD-NWI work.......BHD-LPL seems to be running down as does BHD-NCL..BHD-BRS If you listen it sounds like a death rattle there too.I wonder if BHD-LGW could be next.

Seems EasyJet are managing ok.....(I KNOW THEY DON'T FLY TO NORWICH)

[niknak]

Eastern Wiseguy

Its no secret that the NWI - BHD service didn't work but equally it wasn't a great suprise, first year loads were always predicted to be 40 - 50%, thats what they got and it wasn't enough to justify continuing the route.
as for the other routes, I've no idea, nor from your pithy remarks, do you.

As for Easy Jet from NWI - well at least that's one thing you're factually correct upon - for the moment.....

[Jamesair]

The BHD - NCL service is increasing to double daily for the winter.

[Kestrel_909]

I've heard the BHD-BRS service is possibly being dropped. A friend of a friend had rang up to book but was told 'they were possibly stopping the route.' Website doesn't have it on sale after October either.

[eastern wiseguy]

niknak

Merely calling it like I see it. There was a MASSIVE flurry of advertising about not being"Easily mislead" and they were NI's original low fare airline. They were NEVER low fare and from my experience remain resolutely more expensive on routes to GB ex NI and it would appear that ,over here at least,people are voting with their wallet.

[MerchantVenturer]

I've heard the BHD-BRS service is possibly being dropped. A friend of a friend had rang up to book but was told 'they were possibly stopping the route.' Website doesn't have it on sale after October either.

It looks pretty certain that Flybe's BHD-BRS has been dropped for the winter.

At present the a/c (DH-8-400) positions into BRS mid morning from BHD on a revenue-earning flight before working either BRS-Bergerac or BRS-Bordeaux (depending on day of the week) and returns to BHD from BRS around teatime following its return trip to France, again on a revenue-earning flight.

Bergerac and Bordeaux have apparently been dropped fror the winter as well so it seems Flybe don't think it worthwhile to operate BHD-BRS-BHD on its own.

Until last year there were three daily Flybe BHD-BRS rotations, reduced to one this summer.

Flybe have undoubtedly been seriously affected by the three daily easyJet BFS-BRS rotations. They tried manfully to compete for a couple of years or more but seem to have now thrown in the towel.

[OltonPete]

Sorry for such laziness for not posting the link but there is a photo
on airliners.net photo section (under embraer, E190/E195).

It looks splendid :) and very longggggggggggggg due to I presume the
wide angle used (shot in the hangar).

For those who are interested the BHX aircraft is shown in November on
the BHX-ALC-NWI-ALC-BHX on Mon, Wed, Fri & BHX-AGP-NWI-AGP-BHX
on Tue, Thu, Sat. I think the NWI-AGP stops in early Dec and it also
does the once weekly Saltzburg in late December. Sunday it goes
to Murcia I think.

OltonPete

[NickBarnes]

heres the link http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1068608/L/ (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1068608/L/) it sure does look good can't wait untill i see it here in NWI

[GBALU53]

The aircraft looks good in the shot.

There are two registration markings above the cockpit looking like EA, Flybe must have put in a request for some out of sequence registrations but what are they??:ok:

[JAR]

First Registration is G-FBEA

[CentreFix25]

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/8/0/6/1068608.jpg

[devon_guy]

I don't know if anyone can help but I have just come back from EDI-EXT and we were coming in to land. Airport empty no aircraft on runway at all. Landing gear came down, we were flying low then all of a sudden we climbed and banked steeply, landing gear went up, we turned and were banking majorly over EXT before we descended, landing gear came down and we hit the tarmac rather hard. No explanation from flight deck so anyone at EXT got any ideas??

[eastern wiseguy]

It's called a go-around...many and varied reasons...aircraft too fast..approach not stable...runway not vacated...no big deal happens on a daily basis

[mad_bob]

Could have been a number of things. Not happy with the approach, a slight tech problem or indeed ATC could have sent them round, something on the rw or birds etc. Maybe they didnt have time to say anything. If they were going round into the visual circuit they would have been very busy with check lists etc. We do try to keep pax informed but only if time permits. Hard landing, well, thats the Dash.

[hushkit77]

Airport empty no aircraft on runway at all

just out of interest, how do you know this? I have never been able to see the runway on the approach whilst sitting in the cabin as a passenger!!!

[devon_guy]

Because as I said we flew past it.....

[akerosid]

Apparently, the next 146 logojets will be ASDA and Avis.

[devon_guy]

I'm pleased to see that they have kept BES and EGC on at EXT in the winter albeit with a reduced service.

[OltonPete]

devon_guy

Better than BHX then, as EGC has gone between November and
early March and it then fits in with the new ABZ & Galway flights.

BHX has gained an extra rotation to Brest compared to last winter. It did
well last winter for twice a week, must be more second-home owners
than I thought ;).

OltonPete

[Sliding member]

Aeroskid wrote:

Apparently, the next 146 logojets will be ASDA and Avis

Will that be "Smartprice" or "Extra Special" :p ?

[tilewood]

Buy one......get one free!! :p

[Maude Charlee]

I would have expected 'Best before' or 'Use by' myself. :}

[jfriday]

Third daily rotation SOU-AMS has been confirmed. I somehow doubt we will see bmi operating this route this winter.

[Avman]

It’s always bugged me to see spotters/aviation enthusiasts and the odd aviation professional refer to aircraft hangers instead of hangars. After all, if aviation is their hobby or job, they should know better. So I was quite astounded to read an article in FLYBE’s June/July inflight magazine refering to the opening of their new “hanger” in Exeter. Sack the Editor!

Edit: This was originally submitted as a seperate post. The moderator decided (IMHO quite wrongly in this particular case) to bung it in here right in the middle of an ongoing discussion/debate relating to a completely different issue!

[AEUENG]

I hope u made a note of that on the customer survey that the cabin crew have to hand out!! :E

[Buster the Bear]

Quite a bit of advertising in the Anglia TV area for their operations from Norwich. Anglia region also covers the Luton and Stansted area.

[FLYboh]

Anyone know if the midday rotation from SOU to AMS is still going ahead as it is not in the Flybe booking system as of 10pm monday 17 - 07. Thanks

[AlphaCharlie]

Do you honestly think that ScotAirways will survive on the SOU-AMS route once Flybe and BMI come on to it with much cheaper fares which they can sustain at that price?

[mso]

Article in The Scotsman,business section.Flybe floating 2007 for in excess of
£200 million.Thoughts please? Would it have been nice too tell the employees who have 10% stake more about this?Why are so many people leaving?

[gator bait]

To put it bluntly, most of the senior managers are c$£p. They care little for the welfare of the staff, terms and conditions are rubbish with morale at a low ebb, little wonder they have a high staff turnover.
Look at the equipment, it might be new but the dash goes tech quite often as it is built down to a price (I know because I`ve flown the damned thing and would be seriously worried if I had to fly in a 10 year old airframe given the number of controlled crashes that pass as landings as it`s a tricky beast to put down.) So let`s just hope that the Embraer-which is pretty much un tried in airline service-doesn`t suffer teething troubles.
Worth £200,000.000? more like £20,000,000, on a good day, as it`s only the staff that are keeping the ship afloat-some might say.
Flybe has to be the worst airline that I`ve worked for and couldn`t wait to get out. But for those still at the coal face, the grass really is greener outside of Exeter.
Good luck
GB

[Lee Frost]

Heard a rumour that Air Berlin are eyeing them up.

[Doors to Automatic]

Look at the equipment, it might be new but the dash goes tech quite often as it is built down to a price (I know because I`ve flown the damned thing and would be seriously worried if I had to fly in a 10 year old airframe given the number of controlled crashes that pass as landings as it`s a tricky beast to put down.) GB

There have been numerous references about the DH8-400's tricky landing behaviour - whats the problem with the plane?

[dingodiva]

A £200 mill valuation would suggest pre-tax profits of around £20mill- which is approx 3 times more than they achieved in 2005. No financials have been disclosed for the past year's trading and they dropped monthly load factors from their website update some months ago, so how on earth would anyone be able to estimate realistic valuations. This sounds like 'rutterspeak' which is normally extracted from an altenative english dictionary!

[No Mate!]

Why is it that the Dash is so 'tricky'?

[cartmanfly]

Flybe have been trying to float since 'adam was a wee lad' to coin a phrase. They'd be better off putting it on ebay.

[Baron buzz]

Dont work for Flybe - but i fly the Dash8-300. No problems with that aircraft, what are the main differences?

BB

[Nil further]

200,000,000

I havent laughed so much in years ! , there is nothing on the balance sheet apart from goodwill .

I wish them well , as cartman says the Walker family trustees have been trying to offload it for years , this seems fanciful .

[ContIgnt]

£200 Million ... don't think so
Also Air Berlin are rumoured to be buying just about everything in th UK

With regard to the Q400, I've had lots of time on type (when I was with Jersey) - and I don't think there is a problem with landing. It lands very nicely (more like a big airplane than a turboprop)

[Buster the Bear]

To put it into context, London City airport is likely to be sold for somewhere between £450 & £500 million.

[dustybin]

Like everything else to do with this company the managers decide to put their heads in the sand and ignore what is going on around them. My guess is that they have put their heads in the sand again and came up with a random figure:uhoh: Even when you tell the managers about staff morale they pretend it isn't happening or they didn't hear it. They will only have themselves to blame when they end up with no staff, they have been told time and time again. I just wonder what ever happened to team work? cause at the moment it's crew v crewing/managers for crap money and no social life:ugh: Maybe if it wasn't 17 year old running ops they might get somewere:=

[carlos vandango]

Morale was always s**t in flybe. Nothing has really changed since the late
90's except that dubious period post 2001 where the banks nearly closed it down and people said nowt because they were glad (and rightly so) just just have a job. What made life tolerable was the solidarity of the crews back then with 100% disdain for those who made decisions down on the farm. So despite Jimbo's inabilities it was actually fun a lot of the time. It would seem that nothing has moved on since then and slotting a bunch of ex-bral jockeys into senior positions will hardly help :ugh: 200mil?? their accountant must have been an extra on fantasy island :rolleyes:

[RAFAT]

Carlos - I can't believe you fell for the Management spin that the Company nearly went bust, absolutely nowhere near it! that was simply a tactic to make employees accept the radical changes which were planned (and probably necessary) and not complain about the lack of a payrise for three years.

[carlos vandango]

well it looked pretty true to me around Christmas 2001. A time when bankruptcy was high on most agendas. I'd long gone by then and was relying on 2nd hand info. It wasn't the first time Flyjerseybritisheuropean had been on the ropes though.

[beaucaire]

Heard a rumour that Air Berlin are eyeing them up.

Is there any source for this rumour ?
I understand that Air Berlin have an outstanding order for 50+ A320's -so why FlyBe ?

[Lee Frost]

From an AB crew. They want Q400's and FlyBE at the moment have all of the orders.

[beaucaire]

That would mean they'd be ready to buy an airline just to secure delivery slots ???
:eek:

[virginblue]

I am not sure if Air Berlin are really interested in FlyBe. If so, I don't think it has much to do with the Q400 but more with the need to get access to the strategically important UK market. There have been quite a few Q400 short-term delivery orders recently, so if one needs some, one can get some.

Air Berlin certainly needs a critical mass in able to survive as a major independent LCC in the long term. They have been able to grow in places like Switzerland and Spain and now begin to penetrate Italy, have joined forces with FlyNiki to capture the Austrian market, but as a true European LCC they certainly need a foothold in the UK market - which certainly is much more difficult to conquer than all other European markets because if ots well-developed LCC scene.

Air Berlin's STN mini-hub is a nice try, but very much a niche operation. A big-scale assault on the UK-market certainly would require some sort of link-up with an established carrier. With the bmibaby/Lufthansa connection, bmibaby as, imho, the most likely target is out of reach. Jet2 would make some sense, but I guess that with the whole ChannEx stuff on top of it, difficult to get hold of. That pretty much leaves FlyBe as the only possible take-over target (or maybe just a co-operation partner?).

In addition to that aspect, the FlyBe business model certainly has some appeal to the German/Austrian market. There are a lot of smaller airports that cannot sustain a 150seater LCC operation but could nicely do with some based Q400. Just think of all the smaller Austrian airports such as LNZ, SZG, GRZ, KLU and INN or airports in Germany such as FKB, NUE, DRS, BRE, PAD. However, FlyBe will find it difficult to establish themselves on those markets as a relatively unknown UK airline.

[4props]

Landing the Q400 well? it's all about 'strut shock analysis'! any effer drivers care to comment?

[JobsaGoodun]

What an incredible amount of negativity!!
Granted Flybe may not be the best place to work but i'm sure it's far from the worst. Surely pay and conditions along with prospects are far better than those at Eastern/Scot etc.

The £200 million price tag is likely to be very accurate. Personally I can see it going higher. They have a successful business model that is working against most that goes up against it, but most importantly and within the next 18mths they will have completed a full fleet transformation with one of the youngest in the industry. This is something that Jet2, BmiBaby etc seemed to have forgotten about. There is no money for either of these to complete this and so it is likely that they will only fall further and further behind Flybe.

Flybe have significant critical mass where they have significant bases to fens off competition, just look at Bacon on BHDBHX, who threw the towel in after 3mths.

I just wonder what ever happened to team work? cause at the moment it's crew v crewing/managers for crap money and no social life Maybe if it wasn't 17 year old running ops they might get somewhere

How very presumtuous. If you are employed at Flybe then please go and see if ther grass is greener elsewhere. I'd hope you'd be very happy, however please remember that those 17yr olds in Ops would appear to have far more common sense than you! They have consistently delivered the best punctuality seen at Flybe since 2001. It is a shame not all can demonstrate their professional attitude.

[bmibaby.com]

Maybe if it wasn't 17 year old running ops they might get somewere:=

It seems a long time now, but I started working in this industry at seventeen and don't think the company I worked for suffered as a result, I think I was more professional than some of the old drones who'd been there for years!

[BusterHot]

How very presumtuous. [Actually it's presumptuous] If you are employed at Flybe then please go and see if ther[their?] grass is greener elsewhere. I'd hope you'd be very happy, however please remember that those 17yr olds in Ops would appear to have far more common sense than you! They have consistently delivered the best punctuality seen at Flybe since 2001. It is a shame not all can demonstrate their professional attitude.

How very sanctimonious!! Do the 17yr olds in ops deliver the "punctuality" or the crews that operate the flights? I haven't seen too many 17yr olds on the GCI/JSY routes with the 15 and 20 min turnarounds. Yes they do their bit, and a very difficult job it is too, but making these stupid schedules work is mostly down to the crews that operate them and their good will to cut a few corners where necessary. We're all in this sh%& together; lets not start firing rockets at the wrong people.

[NickBarnes]

seems here there are alot of people here who don't like Flybe but i can very much believe they have a 200m price tag. Flybe is a very nice airline to fly on and i have never had a long delay with them. at least they dont have sick on there seats which i found when i flew on another carrier not to be named.

[HORNYORYX]

Blimmey, with Bombardier's legendary unreliabilility and lauch customer for a new jungle jet, maybe we talking about using Monoply money!

[JobsaGoodun]

How very sanctimonious!! Do the 17yr olds in ops deliver the "punctuality" or the crews that operate the flights? I haven't seen too many 17yr olds on the GCI/JSY routes with the 15 and 20 min turnarounds. Yes they do their bit, and a very difficult job it is too, but making these stupid schedules work is mostly down to the crews that operate them and their good will to cut a few corners where necessary. We're all in this sh%& together; lets not start firing rockets at the wrong people

Buster, I'm not wishing to enter into an argument over the issue. All I simply wish to do is point out what was a direct dig at an Ops department that actually do a very good job! Yes, crews do their bit but without an adequate Ops departments not all the passengers would be moved when disruption occurs. Each needs the other to be effective. Those 'stupid schedules' are precisely what gives Flybe its much increased price tag and without them the company could not acheive profitability or the sale price predicted. It's that simple.

I am all for joining forces, it is the only way to ensure that the business continues to do well, but the first rocket wasn't fired by me. I'll always speak up for a group of people who have come under unecessary attack from an apparently disgruntled member of crew!

[VIRGA]

Just remember that no airline will run without pilots. No larger airline will run without cabin crew. Most airlines will still beable to run without ops. Albeit for a limited time but the most essential ingredient is somebody to fly the damn thing around the sky. So I believe alot more respect is required from the Flybe ops, crewing, and managerial depts for the people that are actually enforcing the silly timetables, turn arounds etc etc.... All this on the rubbish pay the Flybe pilots and cabin crew get. Why don't some of the managers for go there pay rises for a change and declare that they have done so to the employees.

[JobsaGoodun]

Just remember that no airline will run without pilots. No larger airline will run without cabin crew. Most airlines will still beable to run without ops

Please, you don't seriously believe this do you! Where will the flight crew get their flightplans from? Where will the plogs come from that the flight crew require in order to operate. I am not 'bigging' up and airlines Ops departments but lets face it, equally neither can work effectively without the other.

Why don't some of the managers for go there pay rises for a change and declare that they have done so to the employees.

Can you give an indication as to why a Flybe manager on say £30k should for go their salary increase at the expense of a Captain on £55k? I'd like to know the rationale?

[AlphaCharlie]

Hmmm maybe the rationale there has something to do with Flybe not being able to find anywhere near enough direct entry captains to recruit to crew its planned operation, and if the current murmurings are true there is going to be yet another out pouring of pilots this winter period! Ops and Crewing do a sterling job, with no disruption in their lifestyle and have a very nice fixed shift pattern, the manager have an excellent fixed work pattern, and the flight crews have no stability any day of the year. You can find new managers, you can train new ops and crewing people relatively quickly, but finding an experienced direct entry captain to fly a turboprop, based in the regions, on a poor salary, with no lifetstyle benefits or stability is hard. Oh only the jet captains are on mid 50k, the prop ones are on mid 40k!

What exactly are flybe offering that will make an experienced f/o want to stay with the company after their 3 year bond is up and become a dash captain? There is not one single reason why the pilots need to accept that pathetic 2.4% pay offer, we have nothing to lose, whereas the company have a huge chunk of its already stressed, demoralised pilot workforce on the verge of walking out the door.

[Hussar 54]

Picked up a magazine in the AF lounge at CDG a couple of weeks ago - not too sure, but think it's called ' Voyage ' and is an industry mag....

Anyway, there was an article about the new Terminal at Marseilles which will be dedicated to lo-co's.

Article went on to say that Flybe are a probable customer as they are currently planning to introduce a domestic network in France shortly.

I've heard this a few times before, but just wondering if this is a re-hash of similar plans a couple of years ago following the break with AF and which came to nothing or an entirely new project ?

Anyone in Flybe allowed to or care to provide any more info ?

[surely not]

AlphaCharlie you are not serious!!! When the fog descends on any part of the network the ops staff have to sort out the ongoing programme for that day and probably into the next day if the fog stays around. They cannot just pack up and go home because the flight is cancelled, they have to sort the mess out and at the same time run the rest of the network. The same with an AOG that cannot be fixed quickly. Sure there are night shifts but these are not generally as fully manned as day shifts in Ops Depts, so the Ops staff stay on and work overtime until the work is done. They are not proected by duty periods and are often back on earlies next morning no matter what time they left work.

You would do well to spend some time with an airline ops dept as your knowledge of how they work is either faded by the passing of time or never existed in the first place.

[GBALU53]

With the imminent delivery of the first aircraft does any one know the delivery date??

I understand the first crews are trained up on the aircraft as far as simulator training and just need to finish off the last bit on the aircraft.

With a new type for the company will the CAA require some route proving sectors and if so any ideas on which ones they may require??

One rumour heard was it will be comming down to the Channel Islands sometime within the next month or so, if this is correct i would have at a guess it might be to Jersey with the Walker family living on the Island:ok: :ok: .

[devon_guy]

Does anyone know what happened to the JER-EXT evening flight 22/8. I'm guessing it went tech for some reason....

[OltonPete]

Other than the BHX sun routes from 28/29 October a well known reservations system still shows the 195 on the following routes
(mentioned before I believe): -

25/9-29/9/06

BE816/9 BHX-GLA-BHX 0710 from BHX & Arr back at BHX 1015
BE824/5 BHX-GLA-BHX 1100 from BHX & Arr back at BHX 1355 Tu We Th*
BE292/5 BHX-EDI-BHX 1845 from BHX & Arr back at BHX 2155

* ops to Belfast City on a Monday & Friday 11.00 out & 1335 back.

I thought this thread might be full of rumour and counter rumour
or speculation of the actual date that the first aircraft will arrive?

I am not a spotter but is this not one of the most eagerly awaited
deliveries in the UK for a long time ;) ?

Off to get a life!

Pete

[flyingbug]

Hmmm maybe the rationale there has something to do with Flybe not being able to find anywhere near enough direct entry captains to recruit to crew its planned operation, and if the current murmurings are true there is going to be yet another out pouring of pilots this winter period! Ops and Crewing do a sterling job, with no disruption in their lifestyle and have a very nice fixed shift pattern, the manager have an excellent fixed work pattern, and the flight crews have no stability any day of the year. What exactly are flybe offering that will make an experienced f/o want to stay with the company after their 3 year bond is up and become a dash captain? ...the company have a huge chunk of its already stressed, demoralised pilot workforce on the verge of walking out the door.

AlphaCharlie, I think you are serious, and absolutely correct. Those that think this argument is flawed...do not be surprised over the next month, pilots will be voting with their feet. T&Cs have been eroded through poor planning and the constant desire to work crews to the max of FTL (not a problem to those in ops or management)

[AlphaCharlie]

Surely not ... so whilst you are working late to get aircraft flying again after a bad day across the network, who is it exactly that you are getting to fly these aircraft for you? Yes that's right, the crews who have been on duty for hours and are now approaching their max for that day, or the standby crews that you now have to call out to do some ridiculous duty, night stop, position home and then operate 4 sectors as planned the following day with min rest inbetween. I'm sure the overtime is not done out of the kindness of your heart, and is prob better than the £1.77 per hour we get when nightstopping unexpectedly. Oh and you at the end of your working block (which - and I am being genuine here - I have no doubt is stressful, tiring and difficult, it can't be a pleasant job calling capt x at 5am to get him to come to work) get 4 days off I believe, where as we can work 6 days and only receive 56 hours off for our spoils - reduced to 54 hours if there has been disruption.

I understand its not op's fault, and I completely agree that the company need to invest more in its crews as well as a more complete compliment of ops/crewing staff in order to run the programme more effectively.

[GBALU53]

The Exeter flight from Jersey yesterday i am understand operatated using the night stom Southampton Dash that gets into Jersey around 2015 last night.

The Exeter Dash went tech in Guernsey but did come into Jersey at some stage last night and i think the aircraft was fixed but delayed the first Jersey-Southampton buy and hour or so this morning.

To cap this the Jesey based 146 went tech again two days ago the aircraft was damaged by a baggage truck and they had to find a replacement and kept the airport open very late that night.

What the tech problem in do not know at the moment but with all the problem in the Channel Islands at the moment how much can the compant take in view of the floating on the stock market

Will the EMB195 have all the problem that the company is going through.??

[surely not]

Alpha Charlie they are probably contacting the crews who have operated normally that day and had their full rest. Just because one or two flights is affected doesn't mean that ALL crews are run ragged. I do not work for FlyBe but they are not a small outfit and it is likely that they will have crew who weren't involved in the original hiatus.

I wasn't suggesting that the crews do not get messed around, I was taking issue with the idea that they alone have an unsettled life because of disruption.

Punctuality is very much a part of Ops job. The pilots fly the scheds given out by Ops. When there is disruption it is Ops, not the individual pilots, who shuffle the pack to reduce the delays over the whole network and instigate a/c changes. Then the pilots fly the new scheds and do their best to operate to time.......so it is a team effort, not down to one area only.

Age does not define maturity. I know some young pilots and Ops staff who are way more mature than some of their older colleagues who seem to be missing their prams!!

[NickBarnes]

Not sure if this is about NWI base but from i understand from a person you works there all the crew and pilots are very happy at NWI and i can't understand people talking about silly timetables i mean the hardly that bad i mean they sometimes have 30 mins to turn the aircraft around suchas between the DUB and MAN service

obviously all these problems must be at the other bases:confused:

[cessna l plate]

I am not wanting to get into the ops vs pilots debate here. I work as neither.

But to the ops staff...
Yes you do a very valuable job, and I am no way undermining what you all do day to day. But has it not occured to you that a pilot might just be a little more qualified than you to fill in a flight plan, or generate a plog.

As a ppl student I have to do this for myself all the time. The only difference is that my plog is worked out at 100kts, not 200+. Principle is still the same.

To answer the statement, yes, pilots can operate, and very well without an ops department, but an airline wont go very far without a pilot.

[Unionjet28]

it shows, cessna, that you dont work as either pilot or ops. Do you work for an airline? If not I would proffer that perhaps you are not well enough qualified to speak on the matter. If you honestly think all ops do is file flightplans, then a bit of airline experience may well not go a miss.....

Of course an airline wont survive without drivers, but I can assure you, it wont get much past the first day without an ops/crewing department!

[GBALU53]

The bigger the company the more difficult things become when things go wrong.

We are not superhuman and things do get missed like not up dating flight plans when there are delays or missing a plan on a positioning flight.

We rely on information received when aircraft and crews are operating away from the operations base we rely on the hanling agents to keep us updated and we do our best to do this

Sometimes things will slip through the net the company is getting bigger but does not mean the operations office will increase in propotion.

When the operations staff have major problem days and the result at the end of the day it has all worked out with out bringing in a third party operator to mop up every one feels good but very tired.

Every one from the bottom to the top needs to help out when problems arize and get things sorted without major finiacial outlay:ok: :ok:

Hope this may help some of you out there and make ops life a little less stressful in hard times.

[cessna l plate]

UnionJet.
I am fully aware that ops do a lot more than just file flight plans. But that was the main point of the debate here. Even so, the general tone of the debate was "pilots cannot survive without ops", and I am saying that they can. Granted it might not be easy, and in a big outfit, nigh on impossible, but not completly impossible !!!

Just for the record, I do work in the industry in a repair facility as it happens. I am fully aware of what others do, as I have to deal with them from time to time. If you want a clarification, why not ask MOL which he can do without for a day, ops or pilots??, or out another way, which one is the overhead, and which one makes a profit???

But then that wouldn't really fit with a union ethos would it? Your name says it all, now isn't there a picket line somewhere you should be joining?

[Unionjet28]

funny cessna... but actually "unionjet" is the radio callsign of a former employer...

was a good try though! :)

[surely not]

Cessnaplate you have lost the argument if you have to resort to avery cheap jibe like that!! Have you not noticed that more than one thread on the R&N area is pilots balloting for strike action?

If you are taught how to fill out a flight plan, route plan, load plan, etc then it doesn't matter whether you are a pilot or an ops bod.................you can do the job because you have been taught how. So being a CPL or ATPL holder is of no benefit at all. The fact that Ops people do these job functions every day would probably make them more proficient because they are used to it, just like some of the worst load sheets I have seen filled out have been by pilots who haven't completed one in ages because ops/load control people normally do it. Of course they would get the hang of it after a while, but not straight away.

It is ridiculous to suggest that an airline such as RYR would last more then 5 minutes without an ops/crewing dept!

It is ideal in a well run airline if both pilots and Ops bods talk with each other and respect each other. Unfortunately some pilots think Ops staff beneath them and treat them with disdain, and some Ops staff think pilots are arrogant and conceited $ossers. Probably both are right about a small number in each area, but there are more that get on with each other than don't.

[Chesty Morgan]

Well said Mr Not:ok:


CM - An arrogant and conceited tosser:}

[Flap15Geardown]

I used to be conceited, but now I'm absolutely perfect:}

I'll just get my coat

[NickBarnes]

Weren't Flybe meant to be announcing a Guernsey - Paris service for this October, I can't see it available on their site?

[Evileyes]

Fairly extensive information regarding the location and movements of a specific FlyBe aircraft formerly posted on this thread may now be found here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=242050

Please press on with the FlyBe big picture.

[OltonPete]

Not a red letter day at BHX!

Not only having BMI Baby jump ahead of them on the BHX - ABZ they
have also sneaked in some winter cutbacks from the original schedule.

BHX - Murcia ends in October
BHX - Toulouse reduced to 4 a week (this has been done before)
BHX - Aberdeen once again showing twice daily from March (was 3 daily)

Re-timings on Brest (Tue, Thu & Sun) plus Hanover becomes an afternoon
departure and Isle of Man a midday route.

The Malaga (Tu/Thu/Sat) and Alicante (Mo/We/Fri) are re-timed to mid
morning thus enabling a loss of one aircraft based from the current 5.

I think it was also mentioned Bristol - Toulouse has gone but I forgot
to check.

Pete

[devon_guy]

All routes from BRS are ending with the exception of the BRS-JER one which is being used by a JER based aircraft.

[uncovered]

Guys you need to look at the wider picture:

A) With BACON disintegrating around the UK Flybe have being moving capacity around to take advantage of better profit opportunities (eg GLA-SOU/BHD-MAN/BHD-BHX)

B) BRS was never strategic to them. They may be interested in BRS when BACON implode. I understand BRS-JER will go double daily.

C) I don't think they will worry about BMI BABY starting in Nov. 737 can't compete with Q400 economics on this size/length of route, Baby are starting in Nov with less than 7 weeks notice, and will lose their shirts. BACON will leave by end March- leaving a staight fight between Flybe and Baby.

D) BMI just walked away from straight fight versus Flybe in SOU.

I think it will be an interesting 6 months at BHX

[hushkit77]

If the BRS - BOD route is finishing I will be completely stunned. The flights are totally rammed full this time of year and definately full enough over the winter to make it worthwhile!!!

[Devonair]

Perhaps the BOD service will be heading down the M5 to EXT?

[NickBarnes]

If the BRS - BOD route is finishing I will be completely stunned. The flights are totally rammed full this time of year and definately full enough over the winter to make it worthwhile!!!

Indeed but i dont think Flybe want to do what happened last year when they had to cancel alot of flights from Norwich because they were less than half full in the winter. NWI - BOD has been full but they also will stop it this winter but will return next summer!

[Richard Taylor]

Uncovered:

You may already have lost your shirt :} ;)

flyBE intend operating the E195 on BHX-ABZ, not the DH8D.

Unless they've changed their minds! :\

[turnipgreen]

All routes from BRS are ending with the exception of the BRS-JER one which is being used by a JER based aircraft.

Did I read this right? All Flybe routes from Bristol are stopping? Must have missed that (curse of going on hols at this time of year!) Wheer did you see this Devon Guy?

[BAforever]

All BRS flights except Jersey are ending in October.:ok:

[virginblue]

BHX-ABZ: only the afternoon flight - that now apparently has disappeared - was an E195 flight. The other two are Q400s. The E195 flight was sold at max. fare for some time before it was eventually pulled completely.

There are only ten - now eigth - domestic sectors scheduled with the E195 (SOU/EDI 2, SOU/GLA 4, SOUNCL 2, BHX-ABZ 2). It is mainly runs down to the Costas.

[tilewood]

Seems to be that if Flybe are pulling all these routes whilst adding more
and more aircraft there has to be a contradiction somewhere, or else
a cunning plan!! :cool:

[BHDflyer]

what are flybe playin at? BHD-LPL will have no weekday flights from 27 October yet two saturday flights and one sunday flight will remain! for frig sake see the sense and just close the route altogether!:{Finally they learnt that nobody wants to fly to ABZ on a saturday!:D :D :D :D :D
BA NEW THAT FOR 7 YEARS!

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[JobsaGoodun]

I expect you'll find it is all to do with a small place called Anfield! This alone will give them reason enough for a weekend service over the winter! Not such a silly move.

[BHDflyer]

Well at least they still have 4/5 a day to Manchester! Get's me to Old Trafford:) Glory Glory MAN UNITED!

[javier.mjv]

Hello,
I think BE is planning quite odd things for this winter season, amongs others, with regards to MJV routes.
When the winter timetable was released they directly cancelled EXT and NWI routes for the winter. I do understand their decision with regards to NWI,as it has been a new route this year and loads have been around 100 pax/flight and obviously in winter people do not travel as often as during summer months.
With regards to EXT, they started the route in NOV05 three times a week with 737, which is a bit too much for the winter and had to cancell some flights during jan and feb, but when they resumed the flights in April, with a 112 seater loads have been over 105 all the time. I did expected they would continue the route at least once a week from nov.
BHX and SOU had been left with tow and once weekly frequencies respectively. Bookings on the BHX route, as usual, had been going extremely well (some of their flights nearly full even two months in advance) and now suddenly they have totally pulled the route after two months of sales.
Does anybody know what the reason for that is?
Does anybody if they will resume the routes again in March or will BE definitely leave MJV, as they have got most their required slots at ALC?
Regards

[NickBarnes]

i would see no reasen for the to stop MJV next summer if they have had pus 100pax/flight this summer!

[GBALU53]

Jersey will have the first oppertunity to see FLYBEs newest aircraft to the fleet the EMB195.

The aircraft is due into Jersey this Friday ETA 1515 local departing 1645 local so all concerned can see and understand the aircraft.:ok: :ok:

To name a few Handling
Fueling
Catering
Cleaning
Enginering

And last of all Air Traffic Control.:sad:

This visit is for operating requirements, the EMB195 will be visiting on an adhoc basis for some time before Jersey will have an aircraft based to replace the good old BAE146:ok:

[groundhogbhx]

Thats providing it hasn't broken on it's visits to BRS SOU LBA NCL NWI BHD and BHX:ok:

[ESCNI]

I expect you'll find it is all to do with a small place called Anfield! This alone will give them reason enough for a weekend service over the winter! Not such a silly move.
...and Goodison (currently, definitely the Pride of Merseyside)!

:D

[Chesty Morgan]

Thats providing it hasn't broken on it's visits to BRS SOU LBA NCL NWI BHD and BHX:ok:

It already has once, apparently:}

[EGAC_Ramper]

Any idea of when it might pop into BHD?? :)

[LBA]

Didn't know it was visiting LBA! Any idea when?

[groundhogbhx]

LBA

I could tell you but the I'd have to shoot you:E

[Yak97]

I see Flybe have applied for a licence on the JER-GCI route, taking on Aurigny.

Perhaps Aurigny might be happy to not be the only operator on that route, as it knackers bigger aircraft due to the short sector times. How many SD3-60's have been worn out on that route?

[CLEAR4T/O]

The EMB195 will be doing its tour of Scotland (well edi-gla) on thursday night... Will be on board for a look before seeing it off!!

[Jamesair]

Flybe starts INV - BHD 4 x weekly on 12th December after Easyjet pulls of the route.

[hushkit77]

Ramper,

the 195 is due to be in BHD on Thursday 14th from 1605 to 1705 local, give or take a bit I would say. Its doing the rounds of all the bases over Thurs and Fri.

[devon_guy]

They always used to operate JER-GCI but there were problems with the GCI transport board and the route was withdrawn with the hope of reinstating it in the future. They currently fly EXT-GCI-JER and its quite fun being on a dash for the GCI-JER sector, I flew at 2000ft and it gave a great view of both islands.

[EGAC_Ramper]

Cheers huskit77!! :ok: :)

Might take a dander up to take a nosey then.

[BHDflyer]

Cheers huskit77!! :ok: :)

Might take a dander up to take a nosey then.

Me too! another Bangorian we have here!

[nivsy]

After all the singing of the praises of the EMB - its just a shame that the BE832 from BHX to GLA tonite is cancelled as is the BE892 from SOU. Why is this?

[OltonPete]

Javier.MJV

I was always worried about the winter service at twice a week especially
compared to the Monarch schedule.

The closure or suspension of the Murcia route suits flybe as it enables
them to reduce the BHX base by one aircraft by tinkering with
some of the other routes.

Murcia from BHX seems to average over 80% load factor all year
round but I assume winter yields are not that strong with competition
on the route.

Pete

[EGAC_Ramper]

Me too! another Bangorian we have here!


Indeed we do BHDflyer.. :) I just hope they dont hold it against me lol.:ok:

[javier.mjv]

hello olton!!
Thank your for the info. Although ZB included MJV in their winter schedule I do not believe this would affect BE in a great measure. I had checked loads and some flights in nov had 60 or 70 pax booked. Anyway I must say I am really dissapointed with BE anyway, as they seemd to be really interested in MJV when they hardly had slots for ALC.Now that they have got them, they seemed to be pulling us aside as a starter when the main course arrives.
Anyway, last summer VZ used to have daily service and BE 5 times a week and both airlines had really good loads.
Do you think BE will resume the route in summer?

regards

[OltonPete]

I have not heard if it is to return next March but Monarch go daily from
25/3/07 with I assume a 321, which might affect flybe's decision.

The Monarch is only a 320 in the winter (the last I heard) & it will probably
end up with not enough seats available or at least in November,
Christmas and February.

Yes flybe are major disappointment at BHX at the moment with
Bergerac suspended from the end of October until the second
week in March, Faro & Murcia gone as well and Toulouse reduced to four a week after originally being scheduled for six

Hopefully it is only a winter suspension.

Pete

[JobsaGoodun]

I think that maybe we need to look at the reasons for such changes.

Flybe appear to be doing very well at the moment and are expanding profitably but have grown massively in the past couple of years. Maybe they are using this winter as a means of steadying the growth.

With a planned floatation on the cards for next year the last thing that they want is to devalue the business with a bad winter of losses. My guess is that they are just sitting back and taking stock to see what develops and as a result they are not taking any chances.

[Torycanyon]

They do this every year to accomodate the Ski Charters to Geneva, Chambrey, Innsbruck and Sion.:}

[akerosid]

Just heard the 195 heading back to Exeter; was down to 2,000', then heard climbing to 160; minor hydraulic problem. In the immortal words of Capt. B, "I think the phase rhymes with Clucking Bell". :{ :( :*

Any chance of it coming back to Jersey soon? Unfortunately, it was also carrying a part for a 146 which had gone tech here! (A Flybe 146 gone tech - surely not. :E )

:{ :{ :{

[EGAC_Ramper]

Seen the EMB195 at BHD, quite nice kit from the my view point. Did notice the name given to it "Wings Of The Community"

Ack how lovely, maybe the next one they could rename...

"Wings On-Time!" :D :}


Regards:ok:

[J-Guy]

Just heard the 195 heading back to Exeter

I waited at the airport eagerly for an hour today to see the Embraer. Was really disappointed when the pilot comes across on Jersey Approach and says that they're going back to Exeter :sad:

Really hope that Jersey will see it again soon. I'm over in Exeter next week so it'll be just the excuse I need to visit the airport :ok:

[GBALU53]

Akersoid

This aircraft was not carring the spares for a dead Bae146 the spare past was comming from Brumm on the afternoon flight.

We will see the Emb195 within the next week when they can reschedule the current plan of destinations plan to go to so watch this space.

The sooner they get this aircraft opperating for them the better, this will release some of the other aircraft in the fleet , they have had a very bad week down in Jersey with all sorts crewing due late arrival of tech aircraft from the night before

I understand the airport at Jersey was open till the very early hours this morning after the afternoon tech delay.

The company when they have a tech problem will not bring in another opperator to do the service and keep airport open very late.

Will the EMB195 be any better seviability wise than the problems they have had in the past??

With all the tech problem delays joe public will find another carrier and pay a bit more to get to and from where they are going.

These major delays will not help with the pending float on the stock market??

[flyingbug]

[quote=GBALU53;2852163]Akersoid


The company when they have a tech problem will not bring in another opperator to do the service and keep airport open very late.

Which operator should flybe employ (with loads in the mid 70's on some flights)?

Will the EMB195 be any better seviceability wise than the problems they have had in the past??

How long is a piece of string?
Yet another general "flybe" seviceability jibe - any seviceability figures to back this up?

These major delays will not help with the pending float on the stock market??

Is that piece of string back??

:confused: :confused:

FB

[NickBarnes]

i just hope this "Jungle Jet doesn't have to many problems like the other aircraft

[NickBarnes]

Norwich airport had 90,000 passengers through it's terminal in August increase of 42% so Flybe must of carried about 70,000 passengers in August from NWI

[OltonPete]

Currently sitting in BHX ready for BE816 to Glasgow tomorrow morning
I believe.

I apologise if this has been asked/answered before but is this the first
ever revenue earning/schedule flight for the 195 or has it been on
Exeter routes the last couple of days?

Pete

[tilewood]

On another thread it has been posted that Flybe have applied for slots
at AMS for for three SEN - AMS daily services.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

[Whispering Giant]

In answer to your question Olton pete - it will be the first revenue flight with pax's on - BUT NOT it's first flight with paxs on, this was done yesterday 20th Sept out of Exeter to Belfast City and back for it's CAA approval flight.
Flight had 70 member's of staff on board to act as passenger's so the CAA could see it operating a reprensitive route with paxs on board.

brgds
W.G

[OltonPete]

WG

Thanks for your reply and good luck to all concerned with the 195.

I might just time my drive to work tomorrow morning to catch a glimpse.

Regards

Pete

[CVTDog]

They are last in the que now for Summer 2007 (from BHX) With BMI opening up today and Monarch having been open for sometime I am loosing patience waiting to book my summer trips to ALC. The BMI release isnt particularly cheap - even on opening day compared with some of my FlyBe flights this year - but I am nervous that FlyBe wont come in any cheaper even if I wait.
The customer service lady said it was "usually November" before they release - strange when you consider the early movement of the others.

Another point - I really miss the Friday 15:15 slot to ALC and the return on Sunday night. Had to use BMI for the Winter !

[Devonair]

New Route: Southampton to Galway.... from December, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday. Fares from GBP29.99

[OltonPete]

Just arrived back 10 early from BHD on its 6th sector :ok:, fingers crossed
for today's final two.

Just caught the first outbound this morning on the way to work, as it departed 15 with a left turn over the A45 at Meriden. Quite impressed at the look of the aircraft even if it was fairly high up at the time.

I tried to time my departure to get underneath it as it went over
the lights at the 33 end to have a listen to the noise. However
I was a bit early but never mind.

Pete

[GBALU53]

Has any one heard if Flybe has been succesful in getting both Jersey and Guernsey to help the funding of a new service to Paris.:ok: :ok:

It was annouced a month or so ago, that Guernsey would help with funding for the service but today was the day when they would find out if Jersey would do the same.

Both Islands would have to support Flybe to make this route work and would not do the service if only one Island was behind the venture.:sad: :sad:

The Channel Islands needs to come into the twenty first century before the world over take them.::ugh: :ugh:

[Wycombe]

SOU-NCE announced today for Summer 07, starting 25th March. Looks like 4 weekly.

[devon_guy]

With all this expansion happening why is Sou the one that's always in favour and gets first pick at all these new routes, have they given up on expanding at EXT now?

[NickBarnes]

i have to say that about NWI there not even basing an aircraft for the sun routes next summer and are also cutting Malaga and Alicante down!

[Dash-7 lover]

Caught a glimpse of the 195 on finals at BHX yesterday whilst waiting on the NEC station platform - very nice. When did FLYBE last publicly record a profit/loss. Can't seem to find out the figures anywhere???

Thanks

[JAR]

This gives a figure but doesn't say which year it was!
http://www.embraer.com.br/institucional/download/2_103-Com-VPC-FlyBe_1st_Delivery-I-06.pdf
Flybe
Flybe is a regional low-cost airline with frills, concentrating on domestic travel. In 2006/2007 Flybe will handle over 6 million passengers and has revenues in excess of £350 million. The airline has 39 aircraft, serving 125 routes, 45 airports in nine countries. Theaverage stage length is 300 miles and Flybe has invested in aircraft which provide between 80 and 120 seats. The company employs 1,700 people (1,270 airline and 450 Aviation
Services). The airline has 26 years of continuous operations and the last published results showed a £6.6m profit before currency gains and exceptional gains. The airline is headquartered in Exeter.

[aeulad]

Southampton to Humberside showing in the drop down booking engine on the BE website. Would appear HUY is at last being added to the BE network!:D

Regards

Mike

[Flightrider]

Think it's a one-off flight being done as a schedule due to a football match this winter. Don't get your hopes up!

[Wycombe]

So, Flybe are moving into Scotair's footy charter market aswell.

I guess this has to do with their sponsorship at St. Mary's.

I think they do a few specials for Exeter City aswell.

[ICING AOA]

Has any one heard if Flybe has been succesful in getting both Jersey and Guernsey to help the funding of a new service to Paris.:ok: :ok:


this plan is now cancelled. Thanks to Jersey !:ugh:

They are now trying to do the GCI-CDG direct..

[Hogg]

New Thread

[lukeylad]

Are both flyjets 757s operational now as i heard one of them was very poorly.

[fje1]

Yes Both 757's are flying.

EA- Is in Manchester
EB- Is in Newcastle
EC- 767 to fly this month

All crew should now have an update of whats going on in the company to avoid bad threads on the net.
Newsletter includes infomation about the winter trips, Revenue, 767, more aircrafts.

[nicksfix]

newsletter was very vague, we no nothing about the 767 flying this month infact none of the crew at flyjet are any the wiser, not bitching here just saying how it is. if fje1 has any firm statements everyone at flyjet would be grateful as everybody is very tired and a little worried about all the rumours and uncertainty

[lukeylad]

767 to fly this month good news. Whats been happening to her at lasham??

[nclpilot]

Are crews all trained on the 767?

[Mr Blue Eyes]

Ah! 767 to fly for who though???

New aircraft...do tell.

[nicksfix]

we were all trained on the 767 last year but really we all need some refreshing i think, good news that 76 is finally on the go though

[devon_guy]

It would appear that Flybe are still having talks with Jersey about the CDG route, it's just appeared on the BBC site. Also on "another" site someone is talking about an incident at Belfast on 30th September. Can anyone confirm or deny if it's true?

[richardnei]

G-JEBF diverted into BFS on 30Sep with a Hydraulic problems about 14:30, this could be to incident.

Also...

On Tue past Flybe's New ERJ-195 diverted into BFS from BHD for some reason during the afternoon.

Best Regards

Richard

[Kestrel_909]

On Tue past Flybe's New ERJ-195 diverted into BFS from BHD for some reason during the afternoon.


Hi Richard,
I believe it was due to the high winds, after making one or two approaches to City it diverted to BFS.

[nicksfix]

so flyjet has been bought by silverjet then, anybody knows what this means for the existing crew?

[daz211]

So where does this leave start up airline deleted for advertising
they were to use flyjet to op Stansted-Bermuda later this year.

[fje1]

Am sure the newsletter you recieved last week if i'm not mistaken Nick S that this did say about the winter routes and that the timetable was to be published within the next few days so there is flying with the name FLYJET.
That the 767 was to be handed back to us hopefully by the end of this month.
The explanation why NO 757 aircrafts have been added to the fleet this year.

Yes your training was a while ago, but am sure your aware that FLYJET had no clue what was going to happen regarding the 767. And refreshers may have to be the way we go about this.

Yes very vague but did state that only info that we have was to be published, and another letter would be issued ASAP.

If you would like to speak to us, Then i'll be happy to go through everything with you. Please let me know

[nicksfix]

thanks fje1 im sure things are going to get very exciting for us at flyjet, you can understand us feeling unsure about things though

[pabely]

so flyjet has been bought by silverjet then, anybody knows what this means for the existing crew?

So will the new owners leave the charter program where it is but Silverjet Sheduled still at EGGW? Hope it works out well for all Flyjet people in the long run.

[sunnygirl]

I have worked for Flyjet for a long time and have loved it. We have been through some difficult times before and it has always worked out well and the crew have been looked after.
This time I am concerned about what is in store for us as crew.
I hope that we will still have our jobs esp this close to Christmas. Last Christmas we were also concerned about out jobs! I think that we have a right to be told and not left waiting.
I also hope that we will not be the poor relations of Silverjet them doing TA and us doing there and back charters.
:suspect:

[fje1]

Please seeflyjet's website news section.

[sunnygirl]

I have read that but I could not find anywhere it mentioned the fje crew or bases.

[Mr Blue Eyes]

Questions;
What happens to the 2 existing 757's working from MAN,NCL and the winter program?
Do FJ still honour all these contracts in full for the remainder of the term?
Are the 757s only remaining till there leases run out in October 2007? (NCL/Excel was for 3years).
Are all crews getting transferred to 767?
Are the MAN, NCL LGW crews ALL moving to Luton?
Are SJ keeping the Charter side of the business?

As with any business take over a huge amount of uncertainty will exist. No doubt it will be business as usual until something changes!

[Flightrider]

Do they not tell you that sort of stuff up-front or hold staff meetings to discuss it? No disrespect, but one is left wondering who is still there when reading the various forae about FlyJet!

[Cloud Chaser]

Any idea what the wind vector was at the time?

[nclbase]

Oh well, another twist for poor FJE staff....what does the future hold now?

Will they continue the Charter operation? How will Silverjet see FJE?

mmmmmm, very intersting

[LGS6753]

Why not read the whole of the announcement on the FJE website?
That seems to make it clear that the 2 757s have been contracted until October 2007, and the contracts will be honoured. I can't see the airline telling its clients (tour operators) that the aircraft will operate from different airports.
I can't imagine there are too many charter airlines with definite, publically available plans for winter 2007-8. They will no doubt follow in due course. The FJE boys and girls seem to have a more assured future (according to their employers) than many charter airline staff.

So chill, and enjoy the ride.:ok:

[crewboi1]

I really do hope this leaves us with jobs:uhoh: as I love workign at Flyjet...
Hopefully this is just a name change and a better future for the airline.

[MerchantVenturer]

All routes from BRS are ending with the exception of the BRS-JER one which is being used by a JER based aircraft.

This will be a shame but probably the fact that all the BRS flights are operated by aircraft based elswhere together with the easyJet effect are the main reasons.

The BE BHD-BRS was reduced from three daily rotations to one this summer, presumably because the load factors (and I guess the yields - the important thing) could not keep up with easyJet's three daily rotations to BFS.

The 12-months a year BE TLS from BRS carried typically monthly load totals in the three to four thousands (from 7 x weekly in mid summer and 6 x weekly the rest of the year). easyJet then came onto the route and their first full month (August) saw the combined BE and U2 loads on BRS-TLS shoot up to over eleven thousand - no prizes for guessing who had the lion's share.

The BOD will be a particular disappointment because Bordeaux is one of Bristol's longest-standing twin cities and this probably does help this particular route.

easyJet commenced a summer BRS-La Rochelle (4 x weekly) this year - perhaps that also had a bearing on the culling of the BOD and EGC routes which were only 4 x weekly and 3 x weekly themselves this summer.

The strong rumour is that Flybe won't even be flying the JER in summer 07.

It will a great pity to lose this airline from BRS after so many years there in its various guises.

I would hope someone will pick up the BRS-BHD (perhaps Air Southwest?) but even here the easyJet factor will remain of course.

[GBALU53]

Merchant Venture
I can see where you are comming from why Flybe does not think Bristol is viable you could be correct in saying they might not be on the route next summer.
To sum it up if this is the case it does look good for a stronger connection with Air Southwest to play a bigger part with there connections to Jersey.
I might be wrong but someones downfall is someones come upance as the saying goes.
With the Cardiff route finishing shortly and no sign of a connection with Jersey at the moment for the summer of 2007 does one think it would make a strong case for Air Southwest to get a bigger foot hold in the Southwest masrket in vue of having an aircraft that can keep a route open summer and winter.
With the tech problems Flybe keep having a route that does not fit in does this have a reflection on it being dropped??

[MerchantVenturer]

GBALU53

The Flybe BRS-JER will operate through the winter 6 x weekly (no Sats) according to the Flybe web timetable.

Air Southwest will also operate BRS-PLH-JER 4 x weekly through the winter and presumably return to daily next summer.

Certainly some opportunities in the South West corner of Britain for an airline like WOW to pick up some of Flybe's dumped routes, although WOW at present flies only within England, Wales and Jersey.

[LCA Bound]

[quote][Yes Both 757's are flying.

EA- Is in Manchester
EB- Is in Newcastle
EC- 767 to fly this month
/QUOTE]

Hmm granted that was true then but as of 3pm gmt on the 1st (sunday) EA was on the tarmac at Larnaca with poorly raydar , so cheers for the night in the Nicosia Hilton :ugh:

[bacardi walla]

I really do hope this leaves us with jobs:uhoh: as I love workign at Flyjet...
Hopefully this is just a name change and a better future for the airline.

Slightly more than just a name change :uhoh:

I wonder if silverJet will keep the operational aspects of FJE at LGW i.e. OPS etc, and apply to operate services from there as well as LTN :confused:

[crewboi1]

Maybe but not looking great for the MAN crew... NCL will probs go to XLA and LGW to Silver. But MAN don't seem to have any fall back.
Feel really sorry for them..
Does anyone know the situation for the crews?

[fje1]

Glad you enjoyed your extra night LCA BOUND. How was the outbound flight:D:D
I officially give up defending Flyjet, they are a good airline but crap at everythin else`and hope Silverjet does them well. dunno really whats happening but when I find out I WILL let you all know about jobs etc.

[lgwechobravo]

I have my fears, that this is not necessarily good news for the crews/staff at Flyjet.

Silverjet is a business class airline flying from LTN (will this actually work, considering Eos and Maxjet also fly loco business class from LON to NYC?).

Flyjet are a charter company flying tour operators charters from MAN, NCL and LGW.

So, where will these 3 bases fit into an all-business class's airlines plans? Sure they will honour contracts flying charters until 757 lease expires, which is in 12 months time, but what after that? NCL/MAN was signed as a 3 year contract, next year only takes it upto 18 months! As someone has said will Silverjet be interested in flying from airports, non of which is their home base on charter flights?

Hopefully they will realise that these charters actually are fairly lucrative, if operated properly and could well be the bread and butter, bringing in extra cash for the company. The could even retain 2 different brandings, Silver for the business class airline and keep flyjet as a charter carrier.

I would hate to see Flyjet disappear altogether, along with the closure of their bases, NCL has only just opened and seems to have a promising future.....at the minute!

One last thought, Silverjet have recruited all their own Cabin Crew, including a Cabin Crew Manager, so why would they want surplus CC in the form of Flyjet employees?

It may all be great news in the eyes of management and the industry, but its not such great news for the staff who have alot of uncertainty!!!!!!

[nclbase]

If Silverjet do operate as FJE, I hope they can make it work but it will be very difficult as they are trying to establish and all-business class service alongside a charter carrier which needs to build up credibility.

Fje1 - you have been an ardent defender of FJE and for that you should be commended - why the sudden change of heart?

I wish you all the very best with Silverjet and sincerely hope it works for the hard working crews

[LCA Bound]

The outbound flight was an hour late but no real problem there , the flight itself was ok , i found the Captain on both flights to be very informative as to position and things to look out for , both sets of cabin crews were friendly and proffesional so :D to them and i think they would be a credit to any airline
I found myself actually sticking up for the airline to one or two of the more unreasonable pax although my main gripe would be the lack of communication from the airline as for a few hours we were left without knowing what was going on but once the announcement that we would be staying in hotels was made we were treated ok

[Heffer]

Did FJE buy their 767 in cash?

[Spotter McS]

It would appear that Flybe are still having talks with Jersey about the CDG route, it's just appeared on the BBC site. Also on "another" site someone is talking about an incident at Belfast on 30th September. Can anyone confirm or deny if it's true?
saw it with my own eyes, very nervous passengers very forlorn looking 146. The 146's are wearing thin and if the new kit is having to divert due to WIND then they may as well up sticks and move to BFS on a fulltime basis :eek:

Happy landings,
Spotter

[flyingbug]

Spotter,

all aircraft have crosswind limitations, regardless of the airfield:=

FB

[turnipgreen]

Whats the view on flybe at EXT? Are they doing ok? Important base for them? Just wondering how the sale process at EXT is affecting things. What do people think about EXT's importance to Flybe?

[devon_guy]

Well it obviously is important as they are EXT's only scheduled carrier, however some competition wouldn't go amiss in my opinion, prices are slowly and steadily creeping up from EXT and another carrier would help keep them lower.

[Kestrel_909]

The 146's are wearing thin and if the new kit is having to divert due to WIND then they may as well up sticks and move to BFS on a fulltime basis :eek:


Nothing to do with the new kit, I'm not sure of the crosswind limitations for the E195, especially compared to the 146, but diversions from BHD to BFS due winds or other weather, isn't unusual. It's by no means a daily occurence but neither is a it a shock when it does happen. Regardless of what airline you are, or what kit you use, chances are you'll end up in BFS sometime or other!

[noflybywire]

The 146 is a superb aircraft and far better then all of these so called modern airliners. Hope your not in one of those computerised playstations when the chips are down. LOVE LIVE THE HS/Bae 146,

Ron

[shannon55]

Do you think the Flybe flights to Birmingham/Southampton and Belfast are going to be succesful?

[NickBarnes]

i wouldn't have said they would be full:) but i should think that Southampton and Birmingham will be succesful but im not sure about Belfast

[nclairportfan]

Not sure if you have noticed but Humberside to Southampton is showing on the BE booking engine.

[airhumberside]

Flybe have two flights into HUY in December for the Hull City vs Southampton football match - one will carry the Southampton team and the other is a fan flight (hence HUY being in the Flybe booking engine)

Theres also an extra flight on NCL-SOU for Sunderland vs Southampton

[NickBarnes]

I have just spoken too 2 friends who went to Edinburgh from Norwich a week ago and said that the flight going out had 66 seats taken, 91% load factor and coming back it had 62 seats taken which is 86% load factor.

Also when i flew with them to MAN from NWI it was 72% going out and 68% coming back!

so it looks like Flybe are doing very well from Norwich at the momment which is very good hear.

[JDB1052]

Galway Belfast will be interesting as it doesnt seem to be either business or leisure oriented - maybe it could feed some of flybe's other flights out of Belfast. As for Galway Birmingham, it should work fine but Ryanair's new EastMidlands to Knock service will limit how successful Birmingham can be. For Galway Southampton, they will need to push it as a London option, but even then it will be up against Arran's twice daily to Luton, plus it's a long haul for a Dash.

[runawayedge]

Shannon.......am trying to understand the motives behind your last post, even allowing for the benefit of doubt, and parking my cynical side I can't arrive at any logical reason why someone from Shannon would ask the question you just did. Get over it, good look to RE and BE out of Galway, and take good care of FR and EI (or will they be one and the same).

[flyerz111]

Will Galway be the narrowest runway the Dash needs to turn on or have they built a taxiway there yet?

[shannon55]

Runawayedge...I don't know where your coming from with that post. I asked that question out of my own genuine, general interest, as I don't remember the new Galway routes being discussed on this thread since I joined, to see if other people thought these routes could be a success. It had no 'motives' behind it except to find out other people's opinions on the topic. The fact that my user-name suggests Shannon is my local airport has absolutely NOTHING to do with why I asked the question. Shannon didn't even cross my mind when I was writing this post.On the contrary, I would love to see our regional airports attract more services like this and I too hope Flybe attain success and develop/expand their route network from Galway and maybe Kerry/Waterford. Three out of the four people who replied to the post have interpreted it correctly, i.e. there was no alterieur motives to my post, I just wanted to get people's ideas on the matter.

It's just a pity that one cannot post on this thread without being slated for having some non-existent sinister motives.

[runawayedge]

ok, ok, ok,.......forgive me, I accept you're one of the silent minority, and that you're not one of those Shannonites who cruise the airways bashing all and sundry with the billateral brush. Seriously though, no offence meant!

[fly20]

in response to the post on flybe + ext - the answer is they are one and the same - if you remove BE from EXT all you will be left with is a daily FCA flight uring the winter, and about 15 charter movements during the summer (not forgetting the isles of silly bus). The short sightedness of EXT management is almost unbelieable - when it was a struggling little airport 4-5 years ago,and this new fancy rebranded airline called flybe said we will launch loads of routes, but we dont want to pay you any handling fees EXT thought 'yes brilliant'. However, BE have expressly told EXT mngmnt they will reduce services if any other LCC starts services there. Thus trapping the airport, even though I have heard EZY and RYR are queing up to launch services at EXT. Roll on the sale, get some decent management in there that know that a diverse business base is a stable base, if flybe folded tommorow the airport would cease to operate. Why aren't KLM citihopper doing the AMS, where are air berlin, eastern, rockhopper, not to mention RYR and EZY.

[Expressflight]

I get the feeling that Flybe have had more than half an eye on their proposed flotation next year when planning their 2007 summer schedule and are trying to build up the profit figures rather than continuing their previous long term expansion plans.

For example, the BRS routes appear to have been terminated and their long expressed wish to have a London area hub seems to have put on the back burner through their decision not to open an SEN hub next Spring - something that was a nearly done deal just a couple of months ago.

[AlphaCharlie]

Presumably their lack of expansion plans has little to do with anything other than a huge lack of crews, a huge lack of suitable people applying to fill the vacated seats, a aircraft grounded as a result. Can open a SEN base if you want, but not much use unless you have pilots to fly the aircraft you put there!

27 resignations in the past 2 months, and its not even prime resignation season yet!

[devon_guy]

in response to the post on flybe + ext - the answer is they are one and the same - if you remove BE from EXT all you will be left with is a daily FCA flight uring the winter, and about 15 charter movements during the summer (not forgetting the isles of silly bus). The short sightedness of EXT management is almost unbelieable - when it was a struggling little airport 4-5 years ago,and this new fancy rebranded airline called flybe said we will launch loads of routes, but we dont want to pay you any handling fees EXT thought 'yes brilliant'. However, BE have expressly told EXT mngmnt they will reduce services if any other LCC starts services there. Thus trapping the airport, even though I have heard EZY and RYR are queing up to launch services at EXT. Roll on the sale, get some decent management in there that know that a diverse business base is a stable base, if flybe folded tommorow the airport would cease to operate. Why aren't KLM citihopper doing the AMS, where are air berlin, eastern, rockhopper, not to mention RYR and EZY.

So why the hell do these airports let airlines hold them to ransom like that?? Would Flybe really pull out of an airport it was doing well in, why don't the airport authorities call their bluff?

[GBALU53]

With the amount of money Flybe has put into Exeter Airport and the workforce there no way would they pull out of Exeter all together.

The two very large hangars at the eastern end of the of Exeter must of cost a bit.

Exeter has always been a difficult area to attrack flight unless the figures are not peforming then any company will start pulling flights.

The labour force down in the West Country has been good to Exeter Airport as it is a nice area to be in if you look to the west from Exeter there must still be a good number of passenger to come to Exeter to travel to the bucket and spade type areas Flybe are doing.

One has to look at catchment area and costs on where passengers are giong to fly from even parking your car for a week at some aiports you wouldn't do
but places like Exeter and may be Plymouth to a point you still have a family out look to working in these two airports where other you might not know everyone who works at your airport due to it being overgrown.

Exeter has had connections with place like the Channel Islands and Dublin for decades and i would like to place bet they will still be there in a few more.:ok:

[devon_guy]

Seen in the Express & Echo.......

Leading trade journal Travel Weekly has reported that booming Exeter-based, low-cost carrier flybe intends to charge passengers to check in at airports - probably £1.50 to £2.50 per head - once the proportion checking in online reaches 40-50 per cent within the next 18 months.It seems flybe chief Mike Rutter also considered the idea of fixing a lock on the toilet doors of flybe's new Embraer aircraft and charging £1 admission to any passenger unable to wait until the aircraft lands.

[WATABENCH]

Whoever said the EXT management is short sighted is soooo blooming right, pat that man on the back :ok: Although I really can't see EZY queing up to launch routes when their 2nd biggest hub outside London is 70 miles up the road, hmmm I cant see it myself, however I can see why FR would be intrested, would of been great to pee on EZY's parade with a good base in EXT, unfortunatly EXT have been stupid and sold their soles to FLYBE, the FR brand is much better known and would of been a brilliant capture for EXT especially after the fall out they had with CWL which last year was on the FR website as an expantion area, however it seems that FR don't want anything to do with EXT or CWL and are seemingly flirting with BRS management, in the last year they've added extra DUB flights, added SNN and last week added GRO, both management teams in CWL/EXT have been so stupid and effectively given important contracts to the biggest airport in the region, FLYBE pulling out of BRS is no great loss to the travelling public of BRS believe me, especially if FR continue to dip their toes in to EZY's water, the only route thats dissapointing to see go will be BOD as Merchant Venturer added earlier, however with EZY flying to TLS and La Rochelle the BRS public still have options to get to that area.

[flyingbug]

Seen in the Express & Echo.......

It seems flybe chief Mike Rutter also considered the idea of fixing a lock on the toilet doors of flybe's new Embraer aircraft and charging £1 admission to any passenger unable to wait until the aircraft lands.

Devon guy,

it made me laugh.....:)
Pure rumour, but thats PPRUNE!!
Is it true (pls tell me its not).

FB

[locohauled]

Pure rumour, but thats PPRUNE!!
Is it true (pls tell me its not).



He did say it. It was at the Low fares Airlines Congress in London on September 12. I heard him with my own ears!

[GBALU53]

It is like paying the old penny in the toilet door to get in the loo.

Could it be just a recognition of the new aircraft comming on line??

Who would now a days take that as being a possible money spinner to bring in a penny or two extra.

This is the twenty first century it must be at least a five penny bit or more by now to go to the loo>:ok:

[Rantanplan]

Quote "He did say it. It was at the Low fares Airlines Congress in London on September 12. I heard him with my own ears!"

Are some people so daft they don't recognise a joke?!! It appears so. Of all the media and industry people there one chose to print it as a hot news story. And some still can't see it was tongue in cheek!! :rolleyes:

[True Blue]

What about the 2 cancellations at BHD this morning, Man and Bhx. And when I was flying Bhd to Bhx on Tuesday afternoon, the flight to Gla was delayed just short of 4 hours. It looked like that it was being combined with the later flight, though not 100% sure on this.

True Blue

[diesel862]

It would be interesting to see if FJE1 can confirm that FJE ops / head office are moving to LTN to consolidate with Silverjets ops etc there.

[nclbase]

FJE1 seems to have gone quiet - I want to know what the future holds for a company I have recently joined with so much promise at the outset

[turnipgreen]

Seen in the Express & Echo.......
It seems flybe chief Mike Rutter also considered the idea of fixing a lock on the toilet doors of flybe's new Embraer aircraft and charging £1 admission to any passenger unable to wait until the aircraft lands.


Errr, just wondering what would happen if you had forgotten your change that morning? Would you just have to cross your legs? Would they seek your credit card (with additional £3 handlign charge) before they let you in? Or, would they be brave and just hope that...well ok, don't think I want to go there!!!

[lgwechobravo]

The impression I get is that flyjet will stay, as a charter brand. We have the potential to be one of the UK's only independant charter airlines, which if organisation and reputation are improved it could work extremely well - to our advantage!

[Daza]

I have heard from a friend at BHX that they plan a big expansion next Summer any ideas about routes/frequencies guys? Any idea when BHX will be bookable for next summer?
Daza

[eastern wiseguy]

What about the 2 cancellations at BHD this morning, Man and Bhx. And when I was flying Bhd to Bhx on Tuesday afternoon, the flight to Gla was delayed just short of 4 hours. It looked like that it was being combined with the later flight, though not 100% sure on this.

True Blue

Ahhhhh if my old mucker still ALLMCC read these fora and it was a BFS based airline he would no doubt opine it was "the beginining of the end":} :} :}

[NickBarnes]

Daza

Hey there, think i heard they were looking at more routes in France and another one in Germany.

Also heard they were looking at Norway, Olso, not sure where they would go from or if this is true. But it would be very nice if they did

[OltonPete]

Nick

Olso would be a great addition for BHX but 77 seats a day?

As for France, that would be brave from BHX and here is the reason: -

September 2006 - Brest 1472, September 2005 2222
September 2006 - La Rochelle 1921, September 2005 3277
September 2006 - Bergerac 1921, September 2005 3222
September 2006 - Perpignan 1826, September 2005 3383.

The May - August figures are similar, all courtesy of Ryanair at NEMA
and downgrading most routes to the Dash 8.

On top of that with the one 733 going to Norwich this summer
flybe at BHX in 2006 has had a hard time pax wise - as for
yields who knows?

Pete

[NickBarnes]

yes i agree that flybe would probally find it it hard to do Olso daily perhaps 4X a week. For those French routes, i really didn't realise that some of those yeilds were that bad on last year.

well who knows what will be in the big expansion but still i hope they do they do more routes to France

[Manston Airport]

Hi all, there are things been said that Flybe are in talks with MSE Is this ture?

James

[fje1]

The impression I get is that flyjet will stay, as a charter brand. We have the potential to be one of the UK's only independant charter airlines, which if organisation and reputation are improved it could work extremely well - to our advantage!

Flyjet will stay; Silver jet will improve everything about Flyjet. Cabins will be improved, OTP, and TECH delays will be to the minimal.... we WILL gain better results as we now have the resources and financial stability to do so.

Flyjet will continue to be independant from Silverjets line of work and carry on with what its meant to do.

Flyjet cabin crews will remain to fly on Flyjets aircrafts and not on Silverjet..
Silverjet has now gained its start up aircraft G-FJEC which will sadly leave the Flyjet fleet without operating one flight. This was because Flyjet lost so much money this year and could not support the aircraft or anything else.
Flyjet will operate the shake down of all silverjet B767.
Once Flyjet proves themselves to Silverjet more aircraft may be added to the fleet.
But for now people should be happy Flyjet survived again and have continued to fly, No one now should worry about there jobs as they are secure.

[daz211]

Are Flyjet still involved with flyfirstclass Stansted - Bermuda start up airline, the website states operated by flyjet.
I have asked this question a few times and not got any answer so far.

[Cloud Chaser]

Haven't heard anything either way, but doubt it as the catchment would only be east of Maidstone since everyone else would head west to Gatwick.

[GMIMA]

just been looking at flybe's website and i have just noticed that they have a new route:

HUY-SOU? I cant understand why they would be looking at that?

time for eastern to worry???? I HOPE NOT

i guess eastern and flybe markets are completly different

[Ian Farquharson]

These are football charters only !

Dont panic !

[fje1]

Will operate under the name of Flyjet or Silverjet. No update has been issued as of yet

[Albert Hall]

I think the longevity of the charter business is being rather over-stated. The 757s are on lease until November 2007 and are contracted for next summer. After that, it's anyone's guess as to what will happen and it's hard to see why a focused, all-business class airline operating a fleet of 767s from Luton would particularly want a 757 high-density charter operation from Newcastle and Manchester.

The Newcastle charter programme for this winter is being cut back quite heavily and that the Copenhagen programme is also reducing in size and length.

[transwede]

Albert Hall the NCL charter programme is not being cut back quite heavily, as you say. Infact new flights have been added this week, available through freedomflights and XL.com. Sure some flights operate on a stop/start basis and FUE has been cut back, but has been replaced with a PFO service. This is the nature of winter charters, they operate according to time in the season and demand. So infact, at the height of the winter season the based NCL Flyjet 757 will operate on all 7 days of the week, compared with the original 5 days as was planned.

Good luck Flyjet. Lets hope their reputation they have built at NCL (which is actually fairly positive) continues to grow and that Silverjet built and keep the charter operation. There is a gap in the charter market for an airline like flyjet, but overall performance needs to be addressed.

You are also forgetting that FJE have a charter base at LGW, aswell as NCL and MAN. The charter business if run right, could provide Silverjet with decent extra income.

[VIRGA]

More routes????? Well more aircraft are needed....But then they will need more bases because there arent any stands left to park on at most A/Ds. Therefore open France and Spain.... All well and good but who's going to crew them? Nobody worth there salt AND EXPERIENCE will work for FlyBE except retirees and 200hour wannabes. We all started there but it is so apparent that anybody who is low time and gets a job with FlyBE nicks off after the relevant experience.

Alot of people who work for FlyBE are sick to death of working with people who won't join the union, are in it for career progression and will do anything to get their, including buy the ticket and sit in the corner and not say a word for fear of career problems. AhhhhhhhhhhhGrrrrrrrrrrrr:ugh:

[flyingbug]

Virga,

whats your problem with Flybe?
Everytime your name pops up on a Flybe/Q400/146 thread you pump out the same propaganda:
low hour pilots, not worth there (sic) salt, desperate retired pilots, 146 pumping fumes, blah, blah, blah.

There are a lot of pilots with several thousand hours (me included) who choose to remain in Flybe, like the company, like the Q400 and 146 and don't need you popping up to rubbish them and the company.:=
Whats your experience?

[Manston Airport]

I think Flybe is a brilliant airline Virga better then that loudmouth O leary and his tip Ryanair. I hear that Flybe are in talks with MSE be great if they do.:D

JAmes

[noflybywire]

What a load of utter B/S. Flybe has an excellent dedicated team and the Q's and 146's are superb pilots aircraft. TBH I don't rate the EMB's much but thats just a personal choice. All airlines have a mix of 'spotty kids' and 'old boys' so whats your problem. Are you getting UP enough maybe you should consider a name change to VIAGRA!!!!!!.LOL,:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Hudson Bay]

I hope Flybe will be ok. Just heard another 4 resignations today. That makes 38 resignations in the last 2 months. If only the company would look after the staff I'm sure things would be different and Flybe could be a major player. I think a good clearout of some dead wood in Exeter is needed. As for MSE I think it would be a bad idea. But hey I've been wrong once before when I thought I was!!!

[Cyrano]

Before anyone gets too excited about rumours along the lines of "flyBE are in talks with MSE", can I just point out that the Routes conference took place last month in Dubai. It was the largest 'Routes' ever - for those unfamiliar with the concept, it's basically speed-dating for airlines and airports. Virtually all airlines come along (it's free for them), and airports pay a fee to attend and to make a series of 15- or 20-minute presentations to their "target" airlines. So Infratil were probably there, they probably had a "hit list" of airlines they'd like to have in MSE (and PIK), and flyBE was very likely on it, meaning that Infratil was among flyBE's dozens of meetings. That would mean that MSE and flyBE were "in talks" all right - for 15 minutes, at the airport operator's request.

Now I could be wrong - perhaps there are intense secret discussions going on which will culminate in a major surprise announcement :cool: But in the past I've come across upbeat comments by airport marketing people (for other airports which shall remain nameless ;) ) along the lines of "we're in talks with five major carriers for important new routes" which actually translates to "we arranged to meet five airlines for 15 minutes each at Routes a few weeks ago and they took our Powerpoint presentations away with them and politely said they'd consider them" so I tend to be fairly cynical about "in talks with" claims.

C.

[Manston Airport]

I hope Flybe will be ok. Just heard another 4 resignations today. That makes 38 resignations in the last 2 months. If only the company would look after the staff I'm sure things would be different and Flybe could be a major player. I think a good clearout of some dead wood in Exeter is needed. As for MSE I think it would be a bad idea. But hey I've been wrong once before when I thought I was!!!


I think flybe could make MSE work if they fly the right routes:ok:

James

[NickBarnes]

surely all of these resignations will soon mean Flybe won't be able to Fly any more. I do hope they will be okay. Are they doing anything to sort this problem?

[Hudson Bay]

Thu 19th October 2006Flybe concerned as Balfour Beatty goes for Exeter airport

Devon County Council has appointed Regional and City Airports (RCA) as the preferred bidder for Exeter and Devon Airport Ltd (and Exeter International airport). RCA is the joint venture of Balfour Beatty Capital and London City Airport. It has tabled a £60m ($ 112m) bid for the airport, and hopes to finalise the acquisition by the end of the year.

Flybe however, is not so happy about the news. Exeter airport is an important base for the airline, yet of the three major contenders for the airport RCA is the only one not to have promised them full protection on flights and staff.

In a statement released yesterday, October 18, Flybe commented: “Balfour Beatty London City Consortium is the only serious bidder not to have reached an agreement with Flybe that protects the existing and future flights from the airport and the 1,800 jobs that Flybe supports directly and indirectly. Only when these issues are resolved will Flybe be able to welcome the announcement of a preferred bidder.”

When asked for its response to Flybe’s statement, Balfour Beatty told ABTN: “Flybe is a very important part of the future of Exeter International Airport. We have had a number of exploratory discussions already with Flybe and further meetings are planned with a view to finding the right formula for all parties to ensure that the airport continues to benefit from its excellent services for the long term future.”

Lets talk.....



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[Torycanyon]

NickBarnes,

Saddly not on both accounts. There are aircraft sitting around at the moment due to lack of crews to operate them. They are having to wet lease in aircraft to cover.
When the next round of resignations go in, which is traditionally the last day of the month, due to MW's legacy of trying to catch us out and which has back fired on themselves. There will no doubt be even more aircraft grounded.

It would seem like they never learn.:=

[Tyreplug]

I voted for the latest flybe pay settlement on the basis that it was at least something! It seems to me that if the management are happyto keep loosing people and grounding aircraft then that is how they will have to continue. It is up to them whether they want to retain well motivated experienced crews - if so then they will have to reward them appropriately. The Q400 is a tricky beast to operate! I have just finished 6 sector day and moved 360 pax in total around the region over the 6 sectors. Twice today we have had to reduce our approach speed for the Airbus & Boeing ahead! Come on someone, please 'smell the coffee' get real!!!

[JAR]

...... But hey I've been wrong once before when I thought I was!!!
Airbus? Delayed Embraer 195? Where is my "I told you so"? :)

[JobsaGoodun]

NickBarnes,
Saddly not on both accounts. There are aircraft sitting around at the moment due to lack of crews to operate them. They are having to wet lease in aircraft to cover.
When the next round of resignations go in, which is traditionally the last day of the month, due to MW's legacy of trying to catch us out and which has back fired on themselves. There will no doubt be even more aircraft grounded.
It would seem like they never learn.:=

Hmmm...I think not!. I think you'll find that whilst Flybe may have lost/be losing members of flightdeck I can't help but feel that you are hyping something up out of nothing. Can you enlighten us to the wet-lease's and when they have occurred?

Any subcharter requirements of late tend to have involved Astraeus and their 737's and would appear to be related to technical faults. Given that they are in the process of introducing a new aircraft into the fleet and the disruption that is caused as a net effect of releasing qualified crews to retrain, Flybe have done very well at managing this.

Any info on those flights wet-leased out would be interesting to know though?

[eastern wiseguy]

Twice today we have had to reduce our approach speed for the Airbus & Boeing ahead! Come on someone, please 'smell the coffee' get real!!!

There seems to be two issues in your post....as far as reduce speed,this Approach controller (and the rest of us in the Belfast TMA are well aware of your aircrafts capabilities and would NEVER treat you as anything other than a very quick aircraft).....trying to get BHD to get you off in the correct order might be more difficult though:ugh: :p :p

[Buster the Bear]

Flybe are not alone with crewing problems. easyJet have spent the summer cancelling hundreds and hundreds of flights and having to lease in a number of airframes long term to cope with the the lack of crews to fly them.

[OltonPete]

Just done a quick check of the timetable for a Monday in February,
I counted 34 aircraft required compared to a possible 40 in the fleet.

One reservation system shows three 195's in service by December,
10 146's remain per Jethroes and they should have 27 Dash 8's by the end of January.

New routes to come or lack of crews or playing it safe with the new aircraft deliveries or the most likely answer, I can't count;)

Pete

[GBALU53]

Two more Dash 800 400s are due any time now G-JECP and G-JECR.

I understand they are going through a bit of a crewing problem with the loss of some pilots moving on, so leaving gaps here and there.

They seem to have aircraft in a few places that they cannot crew.

The second EMB195 is ment to start opperating out of Exeter as of the 15th of November so this must release one of the Boeing 737s they have leased to them which is Exeter based there.

[OltonPete]

GBALU53

I think the SOU 195 is due to start this Sunday or Monday when I checked one of the databases yesterday.

Couple of 146-200's are due to go but plenty of spare aircraft, which pleases me as I am flying with them in December.

A bit of a long but bland statement (Birmingham thread) on their news page re 20 years at BHX and possibly increasing the GLA-BHX to an hourly service :eek:.

Lets see some different destinations.

Pete

[AEUENG]

The Astraeus 737 will finish flying from EXT on 01/11/06, I belive and additional 146 will be based at EXT to do the spanish routes til the new "jungle jet" arrives. On that note, i hear that it will be a month late and a prediction of mid december was quoted for entry to service at EXT.

As for wet leasing a/c in, I suspect that they are referring to the AEU 757 amongst other things that were brought in as a direct replacement for the AEU 737 when it had tech probs recently.