Baron Information

[vh_ajm]

Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone knows of any good online reference material for a Baron 55 or anything else in the series. Looking at getting into one soon but it will be a while 'til I get close to a flight manual.

Cheers,

VH-AJM.

[megle2]

This won't help you at all but a little history of AJM

AJM used to be a B55 belonging to Mactaggarts.
AJM stands for Amanda Jane Mactaggart, daughter of the CEO.
When she grew up Amanda featured in one of the original Australian Playboy
magazines.

Don't know what happened the original AJM Baron.

[tinpis]

To hell with the Baron what issue of Playboy was it ? :E

[morno]

I wonder if they can do backorders, :hmm:, I'm sure we could all rustle up enough for them to redo it, :}.

morno

[BARON DRIVER]

Hi VH-AJM,

What information are you looking for on the baron? I too have not found much info about the aircraft on the web, well not info for pilots anyway?

Let me know and ill see if i can help?
Here or as a priv msg

Cheers,

[Blue Sky Baron]

Which model are you interested in? B, C, D, or E?

BSB:ok:

[megle2]

Well that brought life to the thread.
The office / branches of Mactaggarts also came alive!
When, I can't remember but maybe first year.
Maybe " feathers " the pilot can recall.
What ever happened to feathers Cunningham?

[vh_ajm]

Just looking for general info. Speeds and operational information and anything unique to the aircraft.

Looks like I'll just wait til I can take a look at the manual.

Thanks for those who helped.

AJM

[Tiger 77]

I usually bring the old bird in at 75kts, touchdown at 70. Full brakes after touchdown allows a landing roll of about 180m with nil wind. This is at MTOW so a little slower is ok at lighter weights.

Just for interest, the DHC-5 will come over the fence at 55kts, with a total landing roll of 60m.

Cheers,

Tiger.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Tiger....I think you're holding on too tight:hmm:

[vh_ajm]

Hrm, was at work on my last post so I will try and be a little more specific.

If anyone can tell me what kind of TAS to expect, range, endurance, and any other idiosynchrosy anyone here may know of.

Again, a reference would be appreciated but failing that I'd also appreciate any anecdotal information.

Specific to the B55 would be best. Thanks for the help so far.

[QSK?]

vh-ajm:

Have you tried here?:

http://www.esscoaircraft.com/category_s/2401.htm

[PLovett]

vh-ajm

Check your emails and contact me if you need the info sheets. :ok:

[bushy]

The C55 baron actually has a chart for accelerate/go distance, so you can figure out how much distance you need to climb to 50 feet if you get an engine failure at liftoff.

[vh_ajm]

Checked pm/email but nothing there.

For others who are interested I did find SOME information on airliners.net:

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=325

Cheers.

VH-AJM.

[Defenestrator]

This may be some help.

http://data.aopa2.org/pilotmag/aircraftdb/specsdtl.cfm?ac_id=125

http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/exec/airspec.cgi?results=0&maker=Beech&model=baron


Defenestrator :ok:

[tinpis]

f anyone can tell me what kind of TAS to expect, range, endurance, and any other idiosynchrosy anyone here may know of.

B58

Plan at 3 miles a minute

5 hours endurance full tanks for planning bout right

Watch the cute little bobble after lift off

Face the front and drive like any other plane

You will get into trouble veeeeery quickly if you dont know what you are doing :hmm:

[vh_ajm]

Hi all and thanks again.

One last question...

Looking at a fairly substantial Navex to build some hours after endorsement and want to take pax to prevent bordem. In terms of balance, would it take 4 POB and say 10kg bags each or would it be best to limit it to 2 pax (ie 3 POB)?

Thanks again.

[Chimbu chuckles]

A 55 baron is really a 4 seater with LOTs of room for baggage. CofG a non issue due to nose baggage compartment. Throw in 5 or 6 bums and things start to get more challenging from a 'where to put stuff' point of view and CofG.

I will be surprised if 4 + 40 kg cannot be carried with full fuel....but it's been a LONG while since I had anything to do with Barons.

190KTAS/120 liters/hr (3nm-2lt/min) would be good cruise planning figures. 2nm-3lt/min for climb planning.

So a 400nm sector at 8000'

climb 10 mins 20nm 30 liters
cruise 124 mins 380nm 250 liters
reserve 45 mins 90 liters
Taxi 4 liters

Roughly speaking. If aircraft has Gamijectors and an all cylinder engine monitor allowing LOP operation the cruise figure would be more like 210 liters and fixed reserve 60 liters.

[vh_ajm]

Awesome chuckles.

Thats pretty much all I need.

Thanks to everyone else also...BIG HELP.
:ok: :D

[Jamair]

These figures are for a 1975 B55 with IO-470s

VNE 224
VA/B 157
VS 80
VSO 65
VMCA 78
VY 107
VX 84
VYSE 99
VXSE 91
VXWMAX 22
VFE1 153 (1st)
VFE2 122 (Full)
VLO 153



TAKEOFF CONFIGURATION:
Full Power, Max RPM, Mix Full Rich or As Recommended per POH

CLIMB: Full Power, 2500 RPM, Mixture Full Rich, 120kt IAS, reduce mix per alt scale settings.

CRUISE: Power, RPM & Mixture -Set per POH. (20"/2300 75 RoP works pretty well at 6-8 thousand')

DESCENT: Reduce MP 5" (yields 500 FPM descent) then 1" / min as required (as MAP increases during descent). Gear alarm @ 18”

APPROACH / CIRCUIT: 15" MP, Downwind 110kt, Base 100kt, Final 90kt.

Before considering any loading, go to the ATSB website and look up the report on the B55 that crashed near Cooma due to gross overloading and incorrect C of G (6 x full size adults and all their ski gear....). Also consider the Air Safety Mag story 2 months ago about loss of control with a partial panel in IMC. Barons are fine pilots aeroplanes but those laminar flow wings and touchy CoG can BITE, hard and quick. You seriously need to stay ahead of the aircraft. That said, once you are used to them, they are very nice.

[Macrohard]

Not sure about the B55 as I only flew one of that variety, but the B58 had at least 2 different size fuel tanks. The larger was significantly of larger volume than the smaller one. Make sure you know what size tanks you have!

[Blue Sky Baron]

For some handy w & b calculations, if you have champagne flight planner you can do sample flight plans for all legs which include w & b calculations using the Baron sample aircraft built into the program.

If you are genuinely serious in learning as much as you can about the Bonanza/Baron, their performance, operating proceedures and tips for efficient/safe operations the Australian Bonanza Society conducts Pilot Proficiency Programs regularly and are a most valuble source of information.
Email address: [email protected], don't think I'm allowed to post the website address here. :cool:

There are many differences between some of the Baron models (fuel capacity in particular) but also w & b between 55 & 58. The C, D, & E models are the "rockets" with TAS around the 200kt range (if you can afford the fuel burn at that speed!)

BSB :ok:

[PLovett]

It seems that most of the info that I tried to email to you has now been posted by others.

However, the B55 does have an aft CoG problem with loads. The handbook contains loading rules for the number of pax to be carried. Stick to them. Jamair's reference to the ATSB investigation of the B55 crash at Cooma is a classic of what can go wrong when those rules are ignored.

Chimbu chuckles figures looked like a B58 or 55D or E model with the OE-520 engines. The B55 is about 180 TAS and 110 litres/hour. The one I flew yesterday got 176 kts and about 105 litres/hour. Yesterday I had 2 pax (actually standard weight - I am not unfortunately :( ) plus minimim bags, full tanks (536 lt) and I was 16 kg under MTOW (2313 kg).

They are a great aircraft but need to be flown to the numbers to get the best out of them and to be safe. Jamair's figures are a good guide. Enjoy. :ok:

[Chimbu chuckles]

You're right...my figures were for an E...or anything with an IO520....figured they'd be just slightly conservative for the lower powered ones so safe for all....personally only ever flown the E55 and B58.

vh_ajm I would be mortified if you launched with only my numbers...they were intended as rules of thumb...to be used in conjunction with the actual aeroplane's AFM and W&B data....not that I think you would:ok: