Jetstar A330s

[Mobi LAME]

Has anybody else heard a story that all the A330-200s will be xferred to Jetstar permanently. Don't know about the 300s. If this is the case does it mean all the number crunching for the 787 going on in Jetstar at the moment will only be used to bash the Qantas people over the head as the introduction of the 787 nears.

[Manwhore]

It is correct, all A330-200's will go to jetstar as of October :}

[Eagleman]

The A330's together with two aircraft to be leased in will be used to set up JQ1.

AJ is planning to introduce AWA's into JQ in the next 12 months

The 787-8s begin arriving in September 08 and replace the 330s

Current thinking is for the 330's to be wetleased back to QF from 3Q08 to provide a 30% cost reduction for Mother Geoff.

787-9's will replace the JQ 787-8's which in turn will go in to QF Domestic ops. Once again, JQwetleasing the aircraft to QF is an option in the plan.

In short, QF brothers, get ready for the JQ takeover ;)

[Capt Fathom]

In short, QF brothers, get ready for the JQ takeover ;)
Weren't they also taken over by Australian Airlines in the 90's ? :uhoh:

[Eagleman]

Your right Fathom, and with the return of Jimmy FIGJAM to the board, it will be rammed home with Guinness and AWA's

[Sonny Hammond]

Thats a great theory.

How many Jetstar pilots are there?

Just how many pilots are going to come home from good jobs overseas to a crap one to facilitate all this?

How many mainline pilots are there?

Why is mainline still hiring?

Sure, a few mainliners will jump seat for a promotion, but most will not. Why would you take the pay and conditions cut?

The redundancy payouts would be huge, notwithstanding the fact that there would be no-one qualified to fly all these planes, after all the mainliners are on the street.

The bureaucrats have kicked a few goals lately, no-one can deny this fact.
From the pilot perspective a lot of this can be put down to the weak union and even weaker resolve of the pilot group.

Now that ALL the pilots can CLEARLY read the writing on the wall, the bureaucrats are and will find the goals a little harder to come by. (QF; Can we have help to set up the singapore base? pretty please. AIPA; no.)

I have no doubt that managements master plan resembles what was posted above and as I said its a good theory. Temper it with some facts and there is still a few big question marks hanging over it all.

[Trylandher2]

I've heard the same theory. Jetstar will become all Airbus A320/A330. As such will keep training costs and engineering costs down. The airline will be able to transfer crew and engineers between aircraft cheaper and easier depending on the short term needs.

Qantas is telling the world Jetstar will have B787's to scare off potential competitors from starting on the pacific with a more expensive type as their plans suggest they'll be competing against the low cost 787 and the Qantas A380. Also using the Jetstar B787 theory to scare Qantas crews.

Jetstar will have A320, A332 and A333.
Qantas mainline will eventually have B737, B787, B744ER and A380.

[MELKBQF]

[QUOTE=Trylandher2] As such will keep training costs and engineering costs down. The airline will be able to transfer crew and engineers between aircraft cheaper and easier depending on the short term needs.

Qantas Engineering has the contract to support JQ international. JQ Domestic is supported by Jet Star Engineering.

[Annulus Filler]

Hopefully Qantas Engineering bill them for every cent its worth instead of propping them up.

[rescue 1]

Have heard similar rumblings around the hallowed halls.

Have also heard that the B787 is going to be operated by Jetconnect as part of the continued drive to push down "costs" and the perceived cheaper labor offshore...

[drshmoo]

Sonny Hammond
Mainline continue to psych/skils/interview and have people on hold but there have been no hiring since about a year ago. Factors such as A380 delay, over 60s rule changing, Fuel and the Future of Porn* pilot planning are all factors that will delay the hiring for the forseeable future or ever.:\
The Unions had better stand up soon or we will all be AWAs with no rights, working for peanuts

[max autobrakes]

I think the ACTU might have a plan or two up their sleeve to counter little johnys lack of choice act. :}

[Keg]

Hopefully Qantas Engineering bill them for every cent its worth instead of propping them up.

A mate actually told his management that they could improve profit in his engineering section by upwards of $50K per annum if they charged AO the full rate instead of the discounted rate. He was told to pull his head in. Given that they were subsidising AO in this way, I don't see why they won't subsidise J*I as well! :rolleyes: :ugh:

[ur2]

Won't be suprised if JQI gets ALL the 787's. There is already a mention of the 787 in the new Op's manual just released.
You can probably bet your left one that they will get more than the 12 in the original order.

[Mobi LAME]

It may be that QF Engineering are/should be screwing Jetstar down as they are to their own LAMEs. I hear that QF at Perth are baulking against paying their own people a tail payment for the A320 that they are looking after for Jetstar on the domestic side. Anyway, I didn't detect any animosity from a Perth chappy that I was talking to and their was none directed at him, we're all getting screwed by Geoff regardless of where we are in the organisation.

[Going Boeing]

You can probably bet your left one that they will get more than the 12 in the original order.

The original order is 45 B787s firm and twenty options. The first 15 are -8s and all the rest are -9s. The current plan is for the first 10 aircraft to go to Jetstar and the next five to go to QF mainline. Then the deliveries of the -9s start and the first 10 go to Jetstar. As each -9 is delivered a -8 will be transferred to mainline so that Jetstar fleet ends up as 10 B787-9s. Mainline will have 15 B787-8s (for mainly domestic and trans Tasman operations) and 20 B787-9s (international operations). The plans also provide for further firm orders.

I believe that these plans are reasonably firm as to how the aircraft will be utilised - the only issue is who will be flying them. If the Jetstar pilots want to be wet leased and fly B787s on mainline operations then they will have to sell their soul again (I'm not sure that they can sell your soul a third time)

[Sonny Hammond]

Drshmoo,

3 400 s/o's just checked out this week.

[Buster Hyman]

we will all be AWAs with no rights, working for peanuts

You know, some days I miss the airline industry...and then on other days...:(

[OBNO]

Sonny

Think you will find those SO's were ex B767 SO's (no SOs on 767 fleet anymore). No SO's have been hired for quite some time, except for some of the cadets coming from their industry placement.

[Keg]

Ironically though, just as the last 767 S/O checks out on the 744, the 767 finds itself mooted to be taking up HKG flying again- thus requiring the third crew member! Given the delay to the A380, I wonder if the 767 may be doing a truck load more international flying than previously thought!

The more things change, the more they stay the same! :E

[Bolty McBolt]

While on the subject of 767s

Many of the 767-300 are getting very long in the tooth with high cycles and hours and its replacement being the 787. The new aircraft is not due into the QF fleet for quite some time and with the A330 leaving the domestic flying will put greater load on the already aging 767 and tight maint schedules on this aircraft.

I would speculate the A330 being a relatively new aircraft will be with Jetstar Int for a long time as the 767 will need replacement sooner than later.
Rather than listen to the rhetoric of messers GD and AJ as to where aircraft will be placed/painted, Many of the 767s will need replacing in the QF fleet sooner than later.... :ok:

I shall post some figures of cycles hours apon my return

PS.... to add to what Keg added about 767 return to HKG, I hear a rumour about 737NG to SIN !!!

[ftrplt]

I believe the 737 is doing CNS - DRW - SIN from 1 July as part of the route re-structure following the AO wetlease decision.

This was to allow ADL - SIN to become a direct flight vice dropping thru DRW.

[Keg]

I believe the 737 is doing CNS - DRW - SIN from 1 July as part of the route re-structure following the AO wetlease decision.

Geez we've stuffed up that route over the last bunch of years then. It used to be chockers on a 767- no matter whether it was the wet or the dry! :eek: :ugh:

[permFO]

One of the bizarre aspects to the Ansett demise was that there was promotion aplenty 6 months before it all went under as there was a big requirement for 767 crews. The rumour was they were going to operate CNS-DRW-SIN. A lot of the crews upgraded during that time wnet on to fly the 767 for QF under contract. What a funny little industry it all is.

[Bumpfoh]

Mobi LAME,

I think you'll find that the very large PER QF engineering Mgr will attempt to/not pay for any endorsement/approval possible to make his bottom line and himself look good to his boss (aka M) in Syd.:mad: :mad:

All the while to the detriment of his subordinates who have to run around like chooks while on shift due to a lack of coverage or bulk O/T for the haves versus the have nots.:=

It's unsustainable big fella.:ugh:

[The Mr Fixit]

Now the LAMEs of WA have representation on the Executive he won't be able to do that, wiil he, by the way my understanding is that the Jetstar contract will be corrected and signed by the new Exec.:D

Plus it will be at least double what those pornstar poofs get :ok:

[triadic]

I believe the 737 is doing CNS - DRW - SIN from 1 July as part of the route re-structure following the AO wetlease decision.


No - 'gos is the 737 'was' considered but was deemed unsuitable - the 767 will continue to do that service.

[Mobi LAME]

Mr Fixit does have a problem doesn't he. As I said we were glad to help out a Perth chappy and I think he appreciated our help. I hope he gets a decent amount for an A320 ticket. It may not be all beer and skittles at Jetstar but a ton for one type will do me very nicely thank you!

[rammel]

I too was surprised when I read about the 738 on CNS-DRW-SIN-DRW-CNS, as currently and has always been the case there is a lot of cargo on pallets and in containers that go to CNS for connex to Japan. So obviously this idea was someones idea who doesn't know the big picture of the operations.

[B A Lert]

..... So obviously this idea was someones idea who doesn't know the big picture of the operations.

It would therefore appear that there's at least one person in the Qantas planning area who might know what way is up.

NOTE: "Qantas planning area" = oxymoron.

[Capt Claret]

Keg,

I can rememeber when the equipment was upgraded from a daily 767 to a daily 747-SP. The DRW apt manager was ecstatic because he had an extra 90 seats per day and was sick of being short of seats.

He was less than pleased when the flight wend from a daily 74SP to several days/week 76/A330. As you say, it's difficult to understand the rationale.