Danger Area D 132

[cholmondeley]

I was tracking East of Farnborough yesterday at 1200' with an FIS from F'boro. As I crossed D132 I decided to drop down a bit and advised F'boro accordingly. They immediately responded " D132 is permanently active up to 850'. There was no Notam and according to my map D132 is only activated by Notam. On landing I queried it with F'boro who stated "It's always active to 850' and it always has been!" Can anyone explain? AIP simply confirms the map i.e. "activated by notam"

[EESDL]

it's interesting to note that D132 has numerous conditions and suffixes attached to it - possibly where the confusion lies.
My chart says that it's activated up to 2500msl but can be active at lower limits as a Scheduled Danger Area (found in aip blah)
reference is on the chart so I'll let you do the detective work and let us all know!!!

[OverTq]

The Mil AIP just says surface to 2500 by NOTAM.

[chevvron]

If you look in the AIP under 'Other Activities of Dangerous Nature'(ENR 5.3.1) there is a section for small arms ranges mostly with a danger height of 500ft agl; included in this is 'Ash Ranges' which is actually within D132 and is considered permanently active; the height of terrain rounds this up to alt 850ft. There is also one at Sandhurst 500ft agl.
I know it's annoying to notify DA's as altitudes and small arms ranges as agl, but it needs pressure from you guys as well as ATC to get the notifications the same.

[Billywizz]

D132 is mostly MOD ranges, to the northside is the Grey range which is a grenade firing range used about half a dozen times a year. On the south of D132 is the National rifle ranges at Bisley which is always active with combination of small arms ranges and clay pidgeon shooting.

[chevvron]

Billywiz - you're getting confused with D133/133a. It's Greyspot Grenade range and grenades are thrown, not fired, unlike the mortar range just to the west; when that's in use D133 will be notified to 2400ft. Bisley ranges are to the south of 133a outside the air danger area and firing varies from air rifles & pistols at 10m to full bore rifles at 12/1300 yds (Stickledown), the most commonly used range being Century up to 600yds.

[SASless]

Remember the old days of Max Arc of 38,000 feet, 25-30 miles between shot and splash points? Or the thrill of hearing the Arc Light Warning....plotting the coordinates on the map to discover you were underneath the B-52's dropping close to 80,000 pounds of bombs each!

[Thridle Op Des]

C'mon R there is a whole lot of difference between a redball run and the M4 going past the sacred turf of Bisley Ranges!

TOD

[allyn]

...this picture:
http://www.c-7acaribou.com/album/photos/photo02.htm
Poor guys! :eek: :(

[7balja01]

the fellas underneath dont seem to realise whats just happened!