COCK PIT DOOR POLICY

[four engine jock]

WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE COCKPIT DOOR POLICY IN SOUTH AFRICA.
SHOULD THE DOOR BE CLOSED AND LOCKED DURNIG THE FLIGHT?
SHOULD ALL COM WITH CABIN CREW BE THRU THE INTERCOM?
IS THERE A CAA RULE IN REGARDS TO THIS?

REGARDS

[REAL ORCA]

Every company prescribes it's own policy. Door should be locked during flight unless food is served to the cockpit, or the crew has to go to the toilet etc. In case of an emergency it might be fully opened to facilitate comms with cockpit/cabin crew. Other companies might be more relaxed.

[saywhat]

SAA has a locked cockpit policy. Locked from startup to shut down. All the aircraft doors are reinforced.
Other airlines are more relaxed in this regard.

[APPR ARM]

Good thing too, if you have been following the news today...

[REAL ORCA]

Locked from startup to shut down.
You don't go to the toilet during flight?:E

[Gary Lager]

Please folks, no more of this on public forums. Whilst procedures should be designed to retain effectiveness even if details are known, it certainly doesn't enhance the safety and security of our colleagues & passengers.

Coincidentally, for those who think this is a little harsh...(as APPR ARM alludes to)

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231049

:ugh::mad:

[FO Gyro]

I think that althought the bulletproof locked door on SAA is a good idea, lets be honest, if one was a hijacker, the best time to storm the cockpit would be when the cabin crew bring us our drinks/food. How easy it would be to pull the hostie out the way, and then once the hijacker is inside the cockpit, no one can then enter to help, even if they want to. Bit scary I would say! The best part is no dangerous weapons are required. Who are the cockpit to know the hijacker doesn't have a bomb on board?
The bottom line is that if they want to get in, they will. A cockpit actually needs two doors, like they have in banks. If security is going to be taken seriously, this is what they need to do.

[Goldfish Jack]

Beats me why everyone gets upset about locked doors - there are other ways to hi-jack an a/c without having to go into the cockpit - all you have to do is grab a cabin attendant and hold them to ransom somewhere in the a/c.

[Gary Lager]

I don't fly in Africa, so I shan't dwell on your forum any longer, but COME ON!!! This is surely not suitable material for public discussion, regardless of credibility, or whether we chat about this sort of thing in the bar!

[four engine jock]

TO ALL
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFO.
AS IAM THE SAFETY OFFICER , I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ENFORCE THE LOCKED DOOR POLICY IN OUR AIRLINE.
BUT SOME OF THE CREWS JUST DONT GET IT.
REGARDS

[Hobgoblin]

I agree with Gary. Not really the appropriate place for this discussion. By the way four engine jock, do you really need to shout?:hmm:

[Speed of Sound]

Please folks, no more of this on public forums. Whilst procedures should be designed to retain effectiveness even if details are known, it certainly doesn't enhance the safety and security of our colleagues & passengers.

You are joking! This information can be obtained by a letter or a phone call to the airline concerned. :bored:

SoS

[Gary Lager]

I sincerely hope this is not the case in your outfit SoS, such procedures may be well known within the industry but they are still 'restricted' within my company. No airline worthy of respect would needlessly compromise it's own security procedures on the basis of a phone call or letter.

And anyway, that's no reason to hand the information out on a plate; as I said before, most robust procedures account for the fact that their 'restricted' nature has been compromised, but we still need to keep such information as secure as we can and at least attempt to maintain the upper hand.

[saywhat]

I sincerely hope this is not the case in your outfit SoS, such procedures may be well known within the industry but they are still 'restricted' within my company. No airline worthy of respect would needlessly compromise it's own security procedures on the basis of a phone call or letter.
Hope you don't work for BA
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/askbainter/public/en_gb?p_search_text=cockpit

[Speed of Sound]

Hope you don't work for BA
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/askbainter/public/en_gb?p_search_text=cockpit

I'll rewrite my post then....

"You are joking! This information can be obtained by a letter, a phone call or a visit to the website of the airline concerned.

SoS

[Taildragger67]

Beats me why everyone gets upset about locked doors - there are other ways to hi-jack an a/c without having to go into the cockpit - all you have to do is grab a cabin attendant and hold them to ransom somewhere in the a/c.

I suspect that these days, mate, other punters are less likely to just sit there than they were pre 11 Sep '01. What happened to a rogue on an Impulse 717 a year or two back might give an indication of 'passenger intervention' these days. Apparently that chap had a bit of difficulty walking off the aircraft unaided after the punters had finished with him...

[Heli_Sticktime]

Well said TD67, I would have given my left ball to kick that guys head in:E

[TooBadSoSad]

The problem with SAA's locked door policy is that on aircraft with toilets outside of the flight deck some captains and first officers joke (and some are quite serious) that when they go to the toilet they'd be better off taking some of the P3's currently employed by the airline with them rather than leave them alone without supervision!!

[oneeyed]

A cockpit actually needs two doors, like they have in banks.

What about that shutter they used to have on those old prison doors where they used to put the meals through - no need to open the door and the inmates (sorry flightdeck crew) could still get fed??:ok:

[saywhat]

Perhaps we should get totally paranoid and ban passengers on aircraft. In fact ban aircraft outright, the pilot might be the psycho!!!!!!!!!!

[Gary Lager]

I don't work for BA - and the link to that info on their website provided no information of use to hostile interests.

In other words, it doesn't provide any information about operational procedures of using 'locked' doors, crew communications etc, (which appear to be what the original poster was after) unlike some of the replies to this thread.

I still doubt, SoS, whether anyone would get any more than the info as described on the website should they phone or write to BA, or any airline which takes security seriously.

If you allow your airline procedures to become well known, and approach your security SOPs with the same relaxed attitude which has been demonstrated here, then it is a fact that your flights are not as safe and secure as they could be.