moving to Australia (a320 type rated)

[epsilonmiuraised]

Hi everyone
I've just talked to a friend of mine who moved to AU some years ago and he told me he has a much better lifestyle there, so I'm wondering if I would have any chance to move there too. I hold a jar cpl with frozen atpl and I'm logging hours on a320 as f/o, would I have any chance to work in Australia as a f/o on a jet liner?
I've visited the DIMA website and saw that immigrating as a pilot now is only possibe via the Employer Nomination Scheme. My question is: is there any chance that an AU airline "nominates" and hires me?
I've used the search function but I've only found topics regarding pilots with no experience or with small turbo prop time willing to work in AU, may be my situation is different as I have some a320 time?
thanks

[AEIO-540]

What Total Time?

[The_Cutest_of_Borg]

Epsilon, if you apply for Australian residency and get it, all those problems go away.
Jetstar would be your best bet in that case.

[esreverlluf]

Suggest you check here before you get too excited about being able to afford the "great lifestyle" with the sole A320 operator in Australia;

http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/operatorlist.php?reg=Australasia

[Artificial Horizon]

This is a hard one, as the market in Australasia is very hard to break into. I have around 3500 hours with a good proportion of that on the A320. Both JAR and NZ ATPL's and currently work for a very big outfit in the UK. Recently I heard that Jetstar was recruiting and thought that I would give it a go, sent in the application and got a nice e-mail back telling me that my flying time although enough to meet the basic standards was not competitive with the other candidates, please apply again in 12 months. This is fine and dandy, but it is when you realise what a small market it is out there, as stated above no one else in OZ operates this type and as for New Zealand it would seem that the one operator there has now got to many pilots and won't be recruiting again until mid 2007. So give it a whirl and you might be lucky, I would say though, without Oz residency your chances are nil. To many well qualified aussies and new zealanders either in australasia or the rest of the world just trying to get home.

[epsilonmiuraised]

thank you very much for all the replies
Artificial Horizon, so seems I have no chance as I'm still a low timer, but I read on previous post about jetstar recruiting people with only turbo prop time so I'm surprised they don't give a chance to someone with your experience, well above the minimum stated on their site. (check your pm)
esreverlluf, yes I've checked ppjn and reported those figures to my friend who is there in AU and he told me that with that pay I would achieve a much better lifestye than that I can afford with my present pay here in europe as cost of living there is much lower, less burocracy, more working rigths etc... May be it's just a matter of different points of view.
The_Cutest_of_Borg, so is there another way to get australian residency?
bye!:) :)

[Draven]

Yes follow the rules of the immigration programme and you won't have a problem. :ok:

Any other skills you have that you can use for your application apart from flying? Because once you get your visa, there is nothing stopping you trying to get a flying job.

cost of living there is much lower, less burocracy, more working rigths etc…

About working rights, heaps will disagree with you, especially since the introduction of the new IR rules! :ugh: := :oh:

The grass is not always greener on the other side, but I do have to admit that "I" love the place, the people, the weather and the so called better lifestyle, it is possible to achieve it if you are willing to but be prepared to work hard first and fit in with society if you do this the aussies will love ya :D , if you don't then you will get some stick.

Hoo-Roo
Draven

[Wizofoz]

epsilon,

You will also, unfortunatley, run into the problem a lot of JAR system FOs confront in Australia- The fact that you usually need substantial command time (typically 500hrs) to meet the minimum requirements for the Australian Airlines.

[SkySista]

Draven, you beat me to it!

Working rights? Not for long!! (If any now, that is!!)

[9Ws]

Check this out...

4650 hours Total Time
500 hours F/O A320
A320 endorsed on Australian ATPL
A320 type rating done in Toulouse with Airbus
4300 hours EFIS time
3800 hours heavy EFIS turbo-prop time
10 years experience in airline operations

Australian Permanent Residence status (visa)
Australian ATPL (A320 endorsed) issued on the basis of passing all 7 Australian ATPL written exams
All initial CPL and Multi-CIR training done in Australia
Australian ASIC being processed (if that's of any help?)

The way I see it, Jetstar doesn't need to spend one dollar on training me any further... they could have me flying with them as a F/O in no time... and walking up the seniority ladder, maybe as a Captain one day too?

But this is the answer I got from them on May 5, 2006.... any thoughts from anyone as to "why"? ....still beats me.



"........Thank you for your recent application to Jetstar Pilot Recruitment.

Following a review of your file and as a result of the highly competitive nature of the process, I regret to advise that on this occasion other candidates have been found to more closely meet our organisational requirements. Your application for employment as a Jetstar pilot has therefore been unsuccessful.

Please be advised that Corporate policy does not allow the airline to give candidates any feedback on the selection process. We therefore request that you do not contact the airline to seek specific feedback on the selection process.

Should you wish to re-apply, please allow at least twelve months to lapse prior to updating your details on our recruitment website.

I would like to thank you for your interest and the effort involved in applying to Jetstar.

Yours sincerely, ..................."

[haughtney1]

Can only echo Horizons, and Wiz's comments here.....the market is VERY VERY compeditive......interestingly however, I was offered an interview with a certain 737 operator with less than 500's multi PIC..so it can be done.

The key thing is of course residency...and probably, the right accent;)

9Ws.....its probably got all to do with you being too "experienced" orrrrrr the fact you dont have to pay then for training..

[pakeha-boy]

9W,S.....no offence mate,but you are a low time pilot,this has nothing to do with the quality of your skills,it has to do with your experience.If that is your CV then you are a low time.

Where I fly,most of us have 4-5X the hours you have,with 5-7 types,and PIC experience to go with that.We are obviously older than you and have been in the game a lot longer,but we still market ourselves.I sent a CV to Jetstar(I,m always looking) and got quite the opposite response,and so did the other ex-pats that work here.....That tells me something,they are looking for higher time,more experienced pilots than you,....doesnt mean we are any better than you ,but simply that is where(for now) the bar is.

You say you have 10 yrs aviation experience,is that flying or just airport related???...do the math,the average line pilot(major Airline) flys 7-800hrs /annum...the wh*res fly a 1000,and thers plenty of them,your CV puts you in the low time time cat,the F/O,s I fly with all have 5000hrs plus,no shortage there....the EFIS time...mate EFIS on a table top sim,computer,or a 747 is EFIS time....no al ot of difference there

Im certainly not taking the piss out of you,in fact the opposite,and congrats on you achievements to date,but there are many of us out here,who activley market ourselves for these positions,and there is not a shortage in this area...for the low time pilots that get hired,good onya,right place right time,and all the best...been there done that.....

My experience with interviews,they either like you or they dont and experience doesnt count for sh@t!!!!.....all the best in your endevours...PB

[epsilonmiuraised]

ok thanks again
it seems that I will have to choose another job if I want to live there as my career path won't let me achieve those ME PIC hours in the near future! I will spend next holydays there and if it's really so nice may be I'll decide it's worth a career change, a couple of years in the GA logging some PIC time, and then back again on the jets... who knows!
bye!:) :)

[Wizofoz]

...the wh*res fly a 1000

Geez Pak, I did 875 in the last twelve months. What does that make me? A lap dancer?

[pakeha-boy]

Wiz mate...ditto on the hrs,about the same,...but at least those hours give me time off to go spend a bit of coin on lap-dancers......rather than having to grab me ankles:=

[tlf]

Check this out...

4650 hours Total Time
500 hours F/O A320
A320 endorsed on Australian ATPL
A320 type rating done in Toulouse with Airbus
4300 hours EFIS time
3800 hours heavy EFIS turbo-prop time
10 years experience in airline operations





And how much of that time is in command and of what?

Amazes me that so many seem to think Australia is short of pilots. Have they been lsitening to the stories put out by all the flying schools run by ex military wankers?

[Capt Basil Brush]

9Ws

"3800 heavy EFIS turbo-prop time"

Just out of interest, what type was that?

A turbo-prop of similar size to a B767 I assume.

[Tiger 77]

Capt B B,

Maybe this was the heavy turboprop....

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/middle/6/1/0/1033016.jpg

or maybe a Buffalo?

Cheers,
Tiger.

[airamerica]

''ok thanks again
it seems that I will have to choose another job if I want to live there as my career path won't let me achieve those ME PIC hours in the near future! I will spend next holydays there and if it's really so nice may be I'll decide it's worth a career change, a couple of years in the GA logging some PIC time, and then back again on the jets... who knows!''

Are you out of your mind??????Why not spend another 5 years working where you are then you can prehaps log proper command time that will enable you to reach your goal(and not have the p--ss taken out of you on here).
Fly GA in Aus, oh yea, you will have a jo blogs that is a chief pilot of kanga airways with 10 000 hours light single telling you that you are inexperienced.Once on a jet stay on it otherwise you will not know what hit you!Hope this helps.
AA

[pakeha-boy]

9w.s.....forgot to mention....."Heavy" is a term used by the big boys flying at weights over 300,000lbs.....

[haughtney1]

Geez Pak, I did 875 in the last twelve months. What does that make me? A lap dancer?

Geez wiz......mayby you are??:p

I only logged 750 last year :sad: then again I also got 7 weeks paid leave:} at this rate its gonna be a loooooooooong time before Jet* look at me:p ...Im gonna need to get off the boeing as well;) Whadduya reckon PB any hope for me?:E

[Woomera]

”My question is: is there any chance that an AU airline "nominates" and hires me?”

Hate to bust your bubble but realistically the chances of an Australian airline sponsoring you to Australia are somewhere between Buckley's and none. You've missed that opportunity by 17 years! :E

You could try independent migration but as a pilot, non skills in demand occupation, I suspect the point system will beat you.

Sunny Woomera

[VelvetHammer]

Don't give up your jet job when you get one. As for Jetstar the current applicants are typically offering command Airbus time with 7-15,000 hrs jet, all multi crew, EFIS, widebody experience, etc.
Having said that, however, many applicants are just fishing so you never know your luck.

[pakeha-boy]

VELVET.....you hit that one right on the head......in the Personal Dept are we??????