NEWCASTLE - 2

[HH6702]

Ryanair winter timetable

Oslo back to evening times using a liverpool based aircraft

Wed, 25 Oct 06
Flight FR1706 19:35 Depart Newcastle (NCL)
22:10 Arrive Oslo Torp Sandefjord (TRF

[transwede]

Got details of Atlantic Airways charter from an aviation spotters magazine, sold in Newcastle Airport.

Flight details are:

FLI697/696 MOL-NCL-MOL STD 1630 STA 1600 a/c 146-200, starts 5/6-1/10.

Not sure who is chartering a/c orit may well be a private charter for maybe oil rig company...?


Does anyone know who will replace JEM on the regular mail run? Willit be Jet2 with their 2nd based a/c and lets not forget that their 757 will be operating through NCL as from the winter!

[richardhall99]

just checkn out the arrivals on ncl website and noticed and VLM flight from LCY was arriving the same time as the T3...they got some sort of code-share going on?

[JKP505]

NCL-AYT showing in Airtours brochure, operated by FCA, and not on a 'w'...The booking engine doesn't have any flight numbers or times though.

[HH6702]

Airtours i dont think will use FCA.

Was looking on a website over the weekend and noticed a company using FCA flight codes starting FCA81** but when u went in to book it brought up TCX flight numbers.

Maybe at the end of the summer season when second editions come out we may see a based aircraft?

[Hawk]

Please resume discussions here.

[transwede]

Anyone read this months Airliner World?

Comment from Flyglobespan that they are looking at NCL for expansion in the long haul field?

[heslop2006]

cool thats really good! :) fimngers crossed for South Africa

[HH6702]

Flyglobespan and Liverpool

I see that it looks like liverpool is going to get a 3rd low cost carrier to base.

Ryanair, Easyjet and now flyglobespan.

Im sure that there is plenty of room at ncl for a 3rd operator to base

Easyjet and Jet2 and ??

[JKP505]

I disagree that there is any room for further lo-co expansion from NCL, the market is pretty much tied up. There realistically is only room for new routes to VLC, MAD, VCE and the new Eastern European markets. Indeed, Jet2 expansion has been tentative, whilst there is no sign of any further EZY expansion in the near future.

The only candidate would be FR as they have a bit more diversity in destinations. WW, LS, EZY and GSM are all pretty much of a muchness in terms of destinations. WW have already made DTV their northeast base, and I think GSM is a non-starter personally.

The only real potential now, in my opinion is full-service destinations - i.e. FRA, JFK/EWR, MUC, ZRH, and (possibly) ATH, HEL, OSL, ARN. Plus a bit more charter diversity - i.e. AHO, BIA, CTA, CUN, DBV, HRG, PUY, SMI, SPU, TCP, SKG.

[GrahamK]

You have to remember that the catchment area for NCL isn't huge and thus growth will slow down.
easyJet and Jet2 will remain the 2 based LCCs, with perhaps more flights from Ryanair to the likes of Hahn and maybe Stockholm.
Routes that could possibly work are FRA + MUC with Lufthansa (although sectors are long if CRJ operated), VLC and MAD with easyJet, and Eastern European markets with carriers such as Wizz or SkyEurope. Of course, New York with Continental would be a boost for the airport also.
Just have to wait and see what the future holds.

[dwlpl]

Ryanair winter timetable
Oslo back to evening times using a liverpool based aircraft
Wed, 25 Oct 06
Flight FR1706 19:35 Depart Newcastle (NCL)
22:10 Arrive Oslo Torp Sandefjord (TRF

The Liverpool/Oslo Torp/Newcastle/Oslo Torp/Liverpool routing starts 3rd October.

[sean377]

Can you believe that a google search for Newcastle's official website doesn't provide a result until page 4 of a worldwide search and page 5 of a UK wide search? It's been like this as long as I can remember. Wouldn't you think they'd notice and do something about it?
Sean

[GrahamK]

Have easyJet got a 737-300 based at NCL at the moment? :confused:

[10 DME ARC]

Ref Google search, Newcastle airport just came up page one and the 1st non sponsored link on an international search, however is down to page five on a uk search?
Tried a few times and got same response.

[sean377]

Ref Google search, Newcastle airport just came up page one

I think you'll find that's Newcastle, Australia. (.com.au).

[10 DME ARC]

Ah.....how right you are, will mention it to our computer people!

[postcard]

10 DME arc......you probably wasting your time!! As I think i mentioned to you earlier in the year..while sunning in Dubai and Brunei and filling in time keeping out of the sun!! I tried bringing up the airport web site...with no luck whatsoever...Australia ,Uruguay and all other Newcastle's came up fine,but not EGNT !!
Mentioned it to those in the know...but it appears still nothing has been done,oh well you can always fly from DTV or is it Bishop Auckland?(that showed up fine).

[10 DME ARC]

Good afternoon Postcard, yes I remember it well! I will pass on again, this and your experiences, you can but try!

[HH6702]

QS flights to verona

does anybody know if these flights are to operate all summer?
if so which tour operator is using the airline.

Thanks

[JKP505]

Is that not the one-off flight to VRN for Newmarket Holidays, like the Eurofly to Naples IIRC?

[heinzmanm]

The last QS Verona flight was operated today

Matt

[Jamesair]

Gone very, very quiet on this thread lately....any news of any new route developments?

[rythmisadancer]

Heard on the rummour mill that Thomsonfly will be holding a naming cermony for one of its 757s (G-BYAJ) at NCL sometime in June. Its going to be named after the employee of the year for 2005, who is apparently NCL based.

[transwede]

Helios/A Jet flight left NCL today over 4 hours late bound for LCA and diverted into MAN on a full emergency. Helios seem to be plagued by emergency landings and serious tech problems, a shame really.

[HeathrowDictator]

Anyone have any more info on Transwede's post? Without getting into company politics it is a shame that a company used by UK Tour Operators has had such a tough couple of years.

-HD-

[tcx00]

Just noticed that this has popped up again;

VG491 07:05 LONDON CITY

Anyone have any ideas?

[HH6702]

VLM

it popped up on ceefax the other week also.
I belive that VLM still have slots for a NCL-LCY route.

[HH6702]

Newcastleairportdirect.com

Just been looking at the flights page and calgary has been added.
No flight details yet so keep an eye on that.

Still shown new york also

[skyman771]

HH6702
Don't attach much importance to this, you can go anywhere via LHR/LGW etc. !!

[transwede]

It will probably be Calgary via LON, however maybe the likes of Zoom or Transat could look a new canadian destination ex NCL. Afterall YYZ has been running successfully for years now. Even a year round service is a possiblity.

Incase anyone is interested, Helios are using Air Slovakia 757 for tonights LCA service and tomorrows is operatedby an MD80, not sure which carrier though.

[NCL-06]

How likely is it that a service to EWR or JFK will be announced this summer?

[HH6702]

EWR or JFK will be announced this summer to start spring 2007.

Looking at Calgary it is not bring up any connecting flights from either london or amsterdam it just says sorry no flights. The same happens for new york!!

[HH6702]

JET2

NCL-AMS now on sale for winter 2006/7
Still 2 flights a day weekdays

[HH6702]

HLX - Hannover on sale winter 2006/7

Thursday,Friday and sunday flights


Hannover > Newcastle Flight Departure | Arrival Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun

X3 4420 12:20 | 12:50 x x x √ x x x Flights and prices
X3 4420 14:55 | 15:25 x x x x x x √ Flights and prices
X3 4420 20:30 | 21:00 x x x x √ x x Flights and prices

Newcastle > Hannover Flight Departure | Arrival Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun

X3 4421 13:20 | 15:55 x x x √ x x x Flights and prices
X3 4421 15:55 | 18:25 x x x x x x √ Flights and prices
X3 4421 21:30 | 00:05 x x x x √ x x Flights and prices

[edspring]

Been speaking to a Dispatcher friend who says that Easyjet are very short of crew just now due to many people leaving and the managers at Luton cutting staffing numbers to below sufficient levels. Lots of sub charters and at Stansted some aircraft actually parked up due to there being no crew available to fly them! Also some lines of flying have been altered and some cancelled on certain days of the week because crews hours' limitations have been reached.

My brother and his family were going to Alicante from Newcastle this evening and the flight has been cancelled and as yet no info or reason why has been given from the orange circus! Anyone heard anything ?

[MerchantVenturer]

Look in the Bristol thread - many easyJet flights are to be cancelled from there next month although as far as is known no announcement has been made by the airline or airport there.

[INTHEOUTBACK]

EDSPRING- THE ALC WAS CANX ON SAT NIGHT DUE THE BFS GOING SERIOUSLY TECH IN BFS. THIS A/C WAS MEANT TO OP PMI, QUE EZY FAVORITE GAME OF CHANGING A/C:mad:. THEY CHANGED A/C 3 TIMES IN THE SPACE OF 30 MIN AND AT ONE POINT LOADERS HAD ALC BAGS ALL LOADED ONTO THE A/C THAT WAS MEANT TO BE GOING TO ALC ONLY TO BE TOLD IT WAS NOW GOING TO PMI:D. ALC EVENTUALLY CANX DUE NO CREW TO OPERATE ALC FLIGHT. YESTERDAY THEY HAD QUITE A FEW DELAYS DUE TO CREWING PROBS AND TODAY THEY HAVE CANX THE FIRST STN DUE NO CREW. ITS NOT EVEN HIGH SUMMER YET AND ALREADY EZY SEEM TO BE HAVING PROBS:ugh: . I HOPE IT IMPROVES OR THERE GOING TO BE IN FOR A ROUGH RIDE.

Typing in all capitol letters is the equivalent of shouting. Please desist from doing so.

[skyman771]

EWR or JFK will be announced this summer to start spring 2007.

In my opinion this sort of statement needs substance or should not be made ! By not even committing to a specific destination shows that you are perhaps not too well informed. There are enough positive comments being made by those involved in the negotiaitions at the NCL end, to suggest that there is every possibility of such a service, but unless you know more then my view is quantify, else bide your time.

[deltahotel9]

TCX seem to have had a few long delays recently, well publicised 12hr+ delay to ZTH yesterday in local press, on the back of a few last week. Is it a singe problem aircraft, and has it now finally been fixed?

[Maude Charlee]

Intheoutback

CALM DOWN AND STOP SHOUTING!!! :}

Anybody missing me yet? ;)

Back for drinkies next week if anyone is interested.

[edspring]

Thanks for the info which I've passed on.....sorry to hear that the ramp guys were messed around so much. (Sadly it sounds familiar, that is the swapping around and usual Easyjet chaos!

Further inquiries have confirmed that EZY are in a mess with cabin and flightcrew shortages leading to cancellations from several bases. Titan Airways are to fly lots of sub-chartered schedules during the next few months. Apparently Globespan have operated one route with a B767 this week due to sick aircraft.

Also bar and catering stocks are woefully inadequate on many NCL flights because supplies are only uplifted once in a morning and once in an afternoon. Typically this means that there is nothing left for the later sectors and the NCL girls get the grief and abuse from disappointed customers!
I can only speak from charter experience but you never have a problem selling to the Geordie market...ever, so why not carry the goods!

Officially though everything is wonderful according to the managers!

[3202b]

Anybody know why the Sanford flight was delayed today? :)

Thanks

[Jamesair]

Seems to be quite a few delays with Easyjet today with the 1315 Malaga delayed indefinately (with a hint of 0400 tomorrow.

[FinalsToLand]

The MON SFB was late as the aircraft was tech before it positioned in.

Tonights EZY PMI is apparently the UKJet MD83.

F.T.L

[nclairportfan]

It really has gone painfully quiet on the new route front at NCL and I am unsure as to why!

I still think there is some potential for growth to the following places:

- A low cost airline to Poland (Krakow or Warsaw) - Wizz, Ryanair, EasyJet or Jet2 could all be contenders.
- How about a low cost route to Valencia - Spanish routes seem to do very well from NCL and I would hope this would be a winner.
- I think a daily service to NQY would work - even if it was just in the summer months. WOW or BE would be perfect airlines for this route.
- Twice daily service to NWI with Flybe or Eastern.
- New York is on the wish list too but it looks like the airport are pursuing that one!
- Lots of potential for French routes - MRS, BOD, TLS, LIG. Again, EZY, LS, FR or BE could all be in the running.
- One or two FR routes - HHN would be a good one for us since HLX stopped CGN and Munich. FR should be encouraged that in April the NCL - TRF route carried more pax than their PIK - TRF route. I also understand the NCL - BGY isn't doing too badly.
- JER should have a frequency increase in the summer - it seems mad that we have gone from 5 weekly last year to 1 weekly this year when I understand load factor was good last summer.
- SAS have the pax numbers they said they needed to go double daily to CPH - I'm not sure why they haven't done so as yet.
- BE, WOW or RE could easily knock T3 off the NCL - CWL route if they wanted to based on price alone. Can anyone see this happening?


Anyone have any other thoughts or rumours?

[transwede]

It has previously said that there will be some consolidation on expansion at NCL and after the previous few years, I tend to agree, but could very well be wrong. We may see a few new charterroutes added, but given that the likes of Taba, Cancun, Preveza etc were dropped before they even started may be an omen? However, next year sees the return of SKG and new flight to Luxor and lets not forget that this coming winter, Jet2 will have an enlarged programme and FJE will have an aircraft based, therefore increasing frequency on certain winter sun routes.

[heslop2006]

Well personally, I think that were due a new route any time soon, i'm thinking jet2 but, we have to think about all this and wonder why FR and BE dont have big amounts of buisness up here, but INV is fairly new and there is still a year between now and May 2007 so the charters could announce something new, but I do think that New York, will be announced fairly soon! I hope :D

[postcard]

Calm down everyone...the talk is of consolidation,the odd temination ,changes and new routes at the expense of current ones...watch this space..

[Britannia]

Anybody know who's operating the AJet/Helios flights tonight and tommorow morning?

[10 DME ARC]

Brit
A very new 'A' jet B738!

;)

[transwede]

In order for LS to expand would it not require a 3rd based a/c? And what are their plans in the winter when PSA and MAH stop operating? Will they start ski orientated flights? What is probably safe to say at the moment is that easy's NCL expansion will remain rather still until they are fully crewed up.

Now that GB are starting flights from UK regional airports, is NCL in with a chance at getting scheduled flights to the likes of PFO, LCA etc?

[Felix Saddler]

wondering if there are any part time jobs available at newcastle egnt.

[lukeylad]

ive just had an interview with swissport give them a try!

[heslop2006]

Jet2 are operating the TFS flights with a 757 according to NCL's website, is that a/c based?

[HH6702]

The aircraft is to be based in TFS

[crewboi83]

The aircraft is to be based in TFS POSSIBLY altho not confirmed as yet.

[Jamesair]

I notice that the new MAN - TFS service timetable indicates an a/c originating in MAN. Not sure if this has any bearing on the basing of 757 in TFS

[lba2006]

MAN have a 75 based....

[jet2impress]

Crews have been warned to expect a 3 night trip for the TFS flights to NCL, BLK and BFS. The twice weakly rotations to the above will operate from TFS. Saves having a 757 in each of those bases. Still, things could change by then though.

[10 DME ARC]

Now bookable with Airlingus DUB-NCL starts 29th October,
EI306 Arr 1500
EI307 Dep 1530
:)

[NCL-06]

do you know what type of aircraft will be used on the route?

[Britannia]

Good news.

My guess is the A320, can't see the A321 or A330 coming to NCL.:)

[Jamesair]

Aer Lingus Timetable shows A320

[transwede]

There was rumours a couple of years ago that EI would make a return to NCL. Great to see them back, but would a morning and evening service, much like the FR service not be better for both business and leisure pax? It will be interesting to see how they fare against FR's service, which is quite often delayed and at very late times, especially the evening service. Can NCL sustain 3 flights per day with 150 plus seater a/c?

Seen as this was a rumour, wonder which other ones will come true?

[aeulad]

Well LBA supports 3 daily 738s so, i don't see it being a problem for NCL.

Plus, the EI flight is much better timed for city breaks, the early FR leaving NCL too early, and the late FR arriving in DUB too late!

Regards

Mike

[HH6702]

This is fab news!!!

I think that Aer Lingus will give ryanair a good run for there money.

Maybe we will see ryanair add a 3rd flight a day maybe around lunchtime?


ITV news camera's were at the airport today anybody know why??

[Britannia]

Camera's may have been there to report on the extra police for the World Cup: http://www.newcastleinternational.co.uk/ReadNews.aspx?news=149

[HH6702]

Wednesday flights

06-Jun-2007 06-Jun-2007 Newcastle - Sharm-El-Sheik (Egypt)
13:00 / 20:25 (5 hours 25 minutes) (XLA448V)
Economy
13-Jun-2007 14-Jun-2007 Sharm-El-Sheik (Egypt) - Newcastle
21:25 / 01:15 (5 hours 50 minutes) (next day) (XLA449V)
Economy

MORE FAB NEWS!!

[HH6702]

Looks like the FLYJET SSH on sundays is canx
wounder what the aircraft is going to do now

[fl dutchman]

Good news we need a mid afternoon flight. But has anyone seen the fares,£105 single plus taxes for all flights in November. Expect some promotional discounts will be needed for this service as I would expect RYR to have some serious fare cutting going on.

[fl dutchman]

Looks like the FLYJET SSH on sundays is canx
wounder what the aircraft is going to do now
IS THAT SUMMER 2007?

[Kev 1]

Now loaded on the freedom flights website is the FlyJet flight to Sharm el Shiekh on Sundays DEP at 12.00, as well as the Wednesday one, looks like it must be replacing the Fuerteventura on Wednesday, as the other XL aircraft goes to Rhodes and the FlyJet to Paphos

Out Newcastle/Sharm El Sheikh Sun,09 Sep 07 1200-1925 FJE620 Economy

Rtn Sharm El Sheikh/Newcastle Sun,16 Sep 07 2020-0015 FJE621 Economy


Out Newcastle/Sharm El Sheikh Wed,12 Sep 07 1300-2025 XLA448V Economy

Rtn Sharm El Sheikh/Newcastle Wed,19 Sep 07 2125-0115 XLA449V Economy



Cheers

Kev

[10 DME ARC]

EI fares now re-set at £1 each way plus tax's!!

:) :)

[Ametyst]

Aer Lingus haven't wiped the floor with Ryanair at Bristol, Liverpool or Manchester! Indeed the Aer Lingus is pulling the Liverpool flight from 25th June and have reduced frequency between Manchester and Dublin.

[HH6702]

Yes it was for summer 2007
Great news wounder what else is going to be added

[transwede]

Well if the rumours that are going round the airport, yesterday are true, it looks like flyjet have given up their operation at NCL and handed it back to XLA. A finnair plane is replacing the FJE one, but nothing has been mentioned of what is going to happen in the winter or what will come of flyjets newly recruited staff.

The wed SSH flight could well replace the sun one, with the a/c operating the old SCY LCA rotation in place of AJet/Helios.

How about the next few years at NCL, new routes etc. Theres still plenty of scope for expansion, heres a few thoughts...

- Winter loco services to SZG, INN, CMF, GNB
- Loco services to VCE, NAP, WAW, KRK
- The long awaited NYC route
- New domestic services to NWI, NQY
- Expanded frequencies on scheduled services to DUS, CPH
- New routes to FRA, either LH or FR to HHN
- The long rumoured BE services to mainland Europe
- More charters to the likes of EFL, JSI, SKG and new charters to Italy, Croatia, North Africa, Eygpt and long haul to the Caribbean.

Established airlines at NCL are ideally placed to expand, with Jet2, FR, EZY the more likely together with other european loco carriers like Wizz, Skyeurope etc

Together the charter carriers willexpand, though there is slack in the FJE schedule, should their operation continue to offer more flights and XLA always seem to offer a diverse operation and TOM are adding more a/c and routes each new season.

[crewboi83]

Flyjet crew are to be trained on another leased finnair 757 via XL
They will be operating on that under XLA flight numbers etc but in flyjet uniform, no mixing of crews etc etc
This is ment to be for 10 weeks only so who knows what is up FJE and XLAs sleave. Possibly XLA will take over the winter base that FJE was about to start?

[RUMAD]

Flyjet are damp leasing a 757 from finnair till 1st of sept,to operate out of NCL,finnair pilots and flyjet cabin crew,its just to fill a gap for the summer,after sept a flyjet 757 will go to NCL

[skyman771]

I gather that Flyglobespan chairman Tom Dalrymple has allegedly made a comment in the June edition of Airliner World as to future expansion plans to include long haul from NCL amongst numerous other locations EDI, GLA & CWL.
Anyone got anything further to add ?

[transwede]

Yeah hopefully year round services NCL-SFB and NCL-YYZ.

Hopefully!!!!

Could replace the charter services currently on offer, one of which is very nearly always late.

[skyman771]

... one of which is very nearly always late.
Hmmmmmmm..... I really can't se that a Globespan service would add anything whatsoever to reliability. More likely the converse stretching aircraft utilisation to a maximum.
Anyway why should Globespan take YYZ as an attractive market unless the T/O's are prepared to switch allegance, so whats in it for the punter ? I don't see YYZ as a volume market, difficult to get a full load on a weekly summer service, so where are are the passengers to come from. I personally don't think that this sort of destination is too price sensitive, ie reduce the price on a Loco basis won't necessarily get full loads on a long term basis.
While I'm on it appears more apparent that AA pulled their NYC because the initial response caused them serious concerns rather than an overall strategy about turn. On this basis I really can't see any airline jumping in & offering a daily NYC service that proves viable in the short - medium term unless they receive on offer they can't refuse in terms of regional grant support.
I really hope that we don't get some quasi UK loco jumping in offering a limited operation NYC service aimed at the holiday market & messing up what is already a very sensitive issue.:ugh:

[Travel Agent]

The Air Transat flight from NCL already operates for Globespan group, so if it were viable it I would of thought it would already operate year round

[HH6702]

Air Malta

2x weekly from November

Mondays via Glasgow and thursday direct

airport timetable


good news

[nclairportfan]

I hardly ever see the Air Transat service advertised though!

[lukeylad]

Its there mate and shes fully loaded each flight too.

[johnrizzo2000]

I guess with the new Dublin service with EI, passengers can connect with EI to Dubai. That has to be easier than flying to LHR!

[heinzmanm]

Or any other EI long haul service for that matter!

Matt

[CentreFix25]

Long hauls via Dublin would only work with a night stop in Dublin owing to the afternoon departure from NCL.

[heinzmanm]

Yes but if you look at the cost of long haul flights departing from DUB, it can still often work out considerably cheaper to fly from there even once you've factored in the price of a hotel for a night.
And 'Yes', I do speak from personal experience, having saved myself well over £100 flying to Orlando from NCL via DUB and with a hotel for a night.

Matt

[skyman771]

Is there still a facility to clear US immigration at DUB, as was the case pre 911 ?, I recall this was quite a useful extra, irrespective of any cost savings?

[Devonair]

Yes US Immigration is still in DUB and SNN. Very useful. Means you walk straight through when you land in US and head straight to customs

[Buster the Bear]

The Airport Direct programme of regional brochures founded by south-west miniple Lets Go Travel is to expand into Newcastle and four other airports next year.
The expansion plans were revealed as franchise chain Harvey World Travel announced it was buying Lets Go – and hinted that further big deals were imminent.
The deal means Lets Go’s 33 high street agencies and two franchises will be branded “Harvey World Travel, the travel professionals for Virgin Holidays”.
The deal does not include Airport Direct, which will be run by Lets Go founder Simon Maunder as a separate business.
Airport Direct, which is focusing on ambitious expansion in 2007, currently has brochures covering Belfast, Bristol, Exeter and Norwich, plus online programmes for 16 regional airports.
Maunder said a Newcastle Airport Direct brochure would launch in 2007, in addition to four more regional brochures.
Unlike the existing brochures, which are run and marketed in conjunction with agency chains or consortia, Newcastle Airport Direct will be run in partnership with the airport itself.
Maunder said: “The Airport Direct programme has doubled in size each year since it was launched and we expect to see that continue, so it was important to be able to run it as an independent business.”
Harvey World Travel managing director John Donnelly said people were beginning to “sit up and take notice” following the acquisition of Lets Go and the commercial partnership with Virgin Holidays.
He said that more deals were in the pipeline, with another major acquisition “imminent”. “People out there have been wanting to know what we’ve been up to because we’ve been talking about getting 300 shops and they’ve been asking where they are,” he said.
Donnelly said the south-west’s reputation as the surfing hotspot of the UK would be marketed in tie-ups with Harvey’s parent and sister companies in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

[johnrizzo2000]

You can connect from newcastle onto the EI flight to Dubai without an overnight as soon as the winter schedule kicks in. I think the Newcastle flight gets into DUB at 16.00, and the Dubai flight leaves at 17.30! If you dont want to overnight and fly EI to the US, try Ryanair to DUB!

[mmeteesside]

That's ok, but coming back now isn't! :}

[transwede]

Anyone know the reg of the Finnair 757 that is coming to replace Flyjet and is FJE returning as did they not sign a 3year contract with Excel? A shame, considering the new staff taken on and another based charter unit at NCL!

[heinzmanm]

If you dont want to overnight and fly EI to the US, try Ryanair to DUB!

All very well but depending how much baggage you have, you'll probably end up paying a lot of excess with Ryanair where as EI will give you the full transatlantic/long haul allowance if you are connecting on to/from one of their LH services.

Matt

[HH6702]

An extra aircraft from finnair will replace flyjet for 10 weeks only.
G-FJEA will then return in september.

Flyjet will be getting another 757 next year and rumour has it that the aircraft G-FJED will replace EA at NCL

[transwede]

Thanks for that HH6702. NCL certainly gets its fair share of interesting based charter units, in the past we've had Sevenair, Hola, Nordic, Islandsflug to name a few. Anyone know what reg AY is sending to NCL to operate for FJE? I see they've changed flight numbers to XLA46xx prefix, seems XL and FJE are becoming quite close in their working relationships.

Any news for new services at NCL? It still seems that BRS (similar in size and pax numbers) is one step ahead of NCL in routes offered etc? Or is it just that the two airports have different markets? More choice in charter seems to be offered at BRS, IMO NCL is crying out for longhaul charter together with more up market Italian, Croatian and North African (Eypgt, Morrocco etc) flights.

[mmeteesside]

Probably because Excel crew are trained on Finnair B752's and therefore get around the lease that way ?

[ryan2000]

JET 2 NCL ORK service is unbookable after October. Any reason for this. Its going up to 5 per week for the peak?

[fl dutchman]

Ryan2000

Full winter shedule not launched yet. Menorca and Pisa will probably not operate in winter. Have a feeling that Cork may discontinue also after October. The Teeside service is going daily from then. Expect a Ski type destination from Jet 2 to be launched for winter to replace some dropped routes.
Its possible that we may see some dropped routes from Easyjet and/or reduced frequencys this winter! (5 aircraft?) anyone heard this?

[son of a .....]

Easy going down to 5 a/c - yes was told told that one from a friend working for S/air! Glad I got out when I did!:}

[skyman771]

I've maintained for some time now that there is only a limited amount of disposable income in the NE ecconomy & I suspect that there was a novelty element in the earlier demand on many routes that has now abated somewhat. You can fuel this demand by offering new / switching routes, but when this is unsustainable then it's capacity cuts all round.
Winter is always a difficult time, though the traditional sunshine destinations are presumably more resilient. A more definitive statement as to the true progress on route development will be if capacity is reinstated in 2007.
All in all Easy has done a remarkable job here in the North East, particularly if you review the past decades in which many carriers & routes have come & gone, often on stregnth of EU subsidies.:D :D

[RobT100]

JET 2 NCL ORK service is unbookable after October. Any reason for this. Its going up to 5 per week for the peak?

There is a distinct possibility that the ORK flights maybe switched to LBA after BMI have decided to pull off that route.

[richardhall99]

wow an a320 on the ncl - dub route...is there demand?

[Britannia]

Any ideas if there will be a change of aircraft on the delayed FlyJet flight from SSH which is now due tomorrow?

[HH6702]

The flyjet plane came back from SSH empty
the pax will arrive tomorrow

[Britannia]

the pax will arrive tomorrow

On the Finnair?

[crewboy123]

I dont understand why it came home empty when its operating tonight from NCL: FJE601 23:45 CORFU APPROACHING

I know if i was a pax on that flight i would be so annoyed!!

[envoyheadboy]

To keep you in the picture both EA & EB went tech over the weekend which has been a logistical nightmare . EA brought the delayed MAN pax back on sunday into MAN then positioned up with 22 NCL pax to operate the NCL- CFU-BFS-CFU-NCL before positioning out to pick up the stranded NCL pax as FJE 620P late last night.We have had to delay the TFS today until EA arrives back then hopefully we should be back to ontime deps tomoro.I can assure you no one is more disappointed about this as us up here as we are proud of the start we have made and the positive pax reaction.
When you operate a small fleet ,as we do,1 757 tech is a problem,both tech at the same time,and at weekend is a major headache.
We will do everything we can to maintain our standing up here in NCL its a great base with fantastic crew and when this delay blip is over all will return to normal ops.

[fl dutchman]

22 Pax to NCL ???

[Topjet]

Anyone know why Thomas Cook have told passengers their flight to Zakynthos on the 2nd of July has been cancelled? Seems strange for an airline like TCX to be cancelling in July!!

[skyman771]

Ryan2000
Its possible that we may see some dropped routes from Easyjet and/or reduced frequencys this winter! (5 aircraft?) anyone heard this?
The attached posting courtesy of 'ACEregular' gives an insight into EZY route performance here at NCL :-
The Malaga, Alicante, Palma, Barcelona, Faro (all the popular holiday destinations) see loads of around 80/85% typically but have often gone full. Ibiza last year also proved very popular. Paris and Nice can vary but usually about 100 -110 seats each way on most days. Budapest, Geneva and Prague are busier on weekends due to stag/hen parties. Belfast tends to be busiest in the Morning and Evening the afternoon can be very quiet. Stansted Is a very busy route, though there are occasional flights with less then 60 on. Its rare though for any of the flights to be less than half full at any time. I think the people of the Northeast know where we fly and how to book, so maybe they are becoming lax in the advertising. Many, Many happy frequent fliers onboard - especially to the hot spots.

[nooluv]

Hi can anybody tell me what type of aircraft is operating on fje 610 to Tenerife
in the morning please? Also if there is liable to be any delays?


Thanks nooluv........

[fje1]

FLYJET 757 G-FJEA will operate it no delay upto now.

[nooluv]

Thanks fje 1. My son & girlfriend are on the flight,have just let them know.
Regards nooluv.........

[HH6702]

An extra TFS for summer 2007 on tuesdays from XLA

28-Aug-2007 28-Aug-2007 Newcastle - Tenerife South
17:40 / 22:35 (4 hours 55 minutes) (XLA TBA)
Economy
04-Sep-2007 05-Sep-2007 Tenerife South - Newcastle
23:35 / 04:10 (4 hours 35 minutes) (next day) (XLA TBA)
Economy


operates from 29/5/07 till 30/10/07

Thats now both FJE and XLA to TFS on tuesdays for freedomflights.com

[INTHEOUTBACK]

Hello Topjet, how's everything in the tower?:) I read something today about a a/p fire service strike in ZTH. This could be the problem. May be wrong though.

[transwede]

Are freedomflights and the XL group offering a little bit too much capacity from NCL, particularly as they are introducing quite a few winter flights, as well as more summer flights? Yes the likes of TFS are very popular destinations, but with other operators in competition, will they be able to sell all the seats? Maybe to TFS they will, where a lot of pax buy flight only, but what about the extra frequencies to destinations like SSH and FUE? There is generally less of a market for flight only, the majority of pax travelling on full package tours? Just a thought...

On other matters, when Finnair replace FJE for 8 weeks does the handling revert to Swissport? If so, they are going to be extremely busy, do they have the resources e.g equipment and staff to cope with an extra 10 flights per week?

And who will get the handling contract for AerLingus? I have said this before but NCL really does need a 3rd handling agent, to up service levels and add a little bitof choice for airlines and competition between agents as every new airline which comes to NCL seems to go for Swissport and at some point they will reach melting point with regards to resources.

Any new rumours on routes/airlines, things gone very quiet of late!

[INTHEOUTBACK]

The finnair that is replacing the FJE will be handled by swissport as the flights will be XLA flight numbers and they have the contract for XL. They will indeed be very busy and i suspect they are strugling all ready. Someone I know came back from FAO over the Weekend and waited over 2 hours for there bags from one of swissports flights:uhoh: and the excuse given was a shortage of staff. I hope swissport hav'nt gone down the road the circus did a few years back and taken on to much work and been a bit tight with reasources:hmm:, or they could find themselves starting to loose contracts which would not be good for them, especially if its the bigger ones or the contracts that pay the big money:ooh:.

[crewboi83]

Transwede
Not fully true about all new airlines going to swissport
Flyjet went to lackof-servisair.

[Jamesair]

Returning to the question of Easyjet reducing to 5 a/c from Newcastle for the Winter Timetable and bearing in mind that each aircraft generally services three routes. Has anyone heard which routes are likely to be affected?

Alternatively could the 5 a/c service all existing routes if frequencies on some of the more tentative destinations were to be reduced.



FLYBE

Is Newcastle likely to feature in any of the Winter new route announcements?

[nclairportfan]

easyJet

They have released some winter flights but looks like BUD and SXF and NCE are either going to be loaded into the booking system later or will not operate over the winter. Would be a shame to loose either route really but looking at the CAA stats BUD pax numbers seem to be very down on last year.

flybe

I would love to see more from Flybe and am certainly surprised that they don't further expand at NCL. They could certainly offer real competition to T3 on routes to ABZ, BHX and CWL and commence new domestic routes to places such as NWI. I believe there are european opportunities for an airline like them out of NCL. For example, TLS and BOD would be popular as would other European destinations.

[MerchantVenturer]

It is possible to book a lot of easyJet winter flights via their web booking engine already but it seems some destinations are not available yet.

I'm currently doing a trawl for my local airport at BRS and have discovered that NCL-BRS goes to four daily M to F this winter plus 3 daily on Sundays and double daily Saturdays.

As before, all flights will be operated by NCL-based aircraft.

[nclairportfan]

Just checked and seen the BRS rotations - much better times for business travellers.

Looks like:

NCL - BFS will also be going 4 x daily Mon-Fri, 2 x daily Sat and 3 x daily Sunday.

NCL - STN going 5 x daily Mon-Fri, 3 x daily Sat and 4 x daily Sun.

[Capt's Little Helper]

Hi Folks,
Are there any private jets based at NCL and if so who owns/operates them?
Thanks.
CLH

[SWBKCB]

If you exclude the Jet Provost, there are none based.

[simonwa]

Easyjet Winter 2006

Here are the flights loaded into the system so far for Winter 2006 from NCL:

ALC - 1 x daily M-F&Su, 2 x Sa
BCN - 1 x daily
BFS - 4 x daily M-F, 2 x Sa, 3 x Su
BRS - 4 x daily M-F, 2 x Sa, 3 x Su
FAO - 1 x Tu, We, Sa, Su
GVA - 1 x daily M-F, 2 x Sa, 2 x Su
STN - 5 x daily M-F, 3 x Sa, 4 x Su
AGP - 1 x daily
PMI - 1 x Mo, We, Fr, Sa, Su
CDG - 2 x daily M-F, 1 x Sa, 1 x Su
PRG - 1 x daily
CIA - 1 x daily

SXF, BUD, NCE have not been loaded into the system yet.

From looking at the above, many routes have extra rotations compared to the current timetable. Good to see CDG going twice daily. Doesn't appear to be a reduction in capacity to me yet.

[CentreFix25]

How and where can you tell the CDG has gone double daily, i'm just looking for the flight times and cant find them.

[10 DME ARC]

25 c/f - Just look in the booking engine! :ugh:


Edited
Cf25 – Sorry I thought with this being a professional aviation web site stating when the winter schedule season began was a little obvious!

[mmeteesside]

The winter season starts around 28th October :8 Therefore it will only be 2x daily (safely say) from November

mmeteesside

[CentreFix25]

Cheers MME. I need to go just before the Winter starts thats why i only got one choice. Thanks to 10 DME for stating the obvious:D

[DIRECTTANGODELTA]

It seems the XLA operation ran into problems yesterday, my parents were delayed 8 hours in Verona last night and flew back with Air Class on a 733. This is not a first I have to admit but the last 20 people who checked in at Verona couldnt fit on the plane!! They were bussed to Milan, flew to LGW and are being bussed up to NCL. There was a mutiny in the terminal when that was announced!! What I cant understand is with the size of XLA why they could only find the Air Class 733 available to sub-charter? Whenever I go to LGW or MCR they always have 738/757/767 lying around doing nothing.
Perhaps it was the price!!

[fl dutchman]

Looks like 6 based A/C after all. CDG 2x daily from 1 DEC. Cant see there being room in the schedules for Berlin Budapest and Nice with the extra frequencys to Stanstead Belfast Bristol and Paris. Unless an extra A/C is brought in !!!???

[nclairportfan]

Would be great if we were to get extra aircraft for winter as that would also increase the capacity for summer 07.

I assume SXF could be operated by an SXF based aircraft if there is any capacity at that end?

Any news on the rumoured NCL - LGW? Would this be operated by an NCL or LGW based aircraft?

[HH6702]

Looks like a lot of hard work has been done by the airport and easyjet for this coming winter.

looks like it may need 7 aircraft i will try and put a timetable together and post it on here

[simonwa]

Possible easyJet winter timetable from NCL:

Mon-Fri Aircraft #1
BFS 07:10 - 09:20, BRS 09:45 - 12:15, BFS 12:50 - 15:00, CIA 15:50 - 22:20

Aircraft #2
BRS 07:00 - 09:30, BCN 09:55 - 15:50, STN 16:40 - 19:20, STN 19:45 - 22:25

A/c #3
STN 06:40 - 09:20, STN 09:45 - 12:25, PRG 13:00 - 17:50, CDG 18:15 - 22:00

A/c #4
AGP 06:50 - 13:45, STN 14:30 - 17:10, BFS 17:35 - 19:45, BFS 20:10 - 22:20

A/c #5
CDG 07:15 - 11:00, GVA 11:25 - 16:05, BRS 16:55 - 19:30, BRS 19:55 - 22:30

A/c #6
FAO 07:25 - 14:10 (Tu, Th), PMI 07:55 - 14:10 (Mo, We, Fr), ALC 14:55 - 21:25

Saturday A/c #1
BRS 07:00 - 09:35, BCN 10:00 - 15:55, ALC 16:55 - 23:25

A/c #2
BFS 07:10 - 09:20, ALC 09:45 - 16:15, BRS 17:00 - 19:30, STN 19:55 - 22:30

A/c #3
STN 06:40 - 09:20, STN 09:45 - 12:25, CIA 13:15 - 19:45

A/c #4
CDG 07:50 - 11:40, GVA 12:05 - 16:50, GVA 17:35 - 22:15

A/c #5
AGP 06:30 - 13:25, FAO 14:10 - 20:55

A/c #6
PMI 06:25 - 12:40, PRG 13:30 - 18:20, BFS 18:45 - 20:55

Sunday A/c #1
STN 07:50 - 10:30, PMI 10:55 - 17:10, GVA 17:50 - 22:30

A/c #2
AGP 06:30 - 13:25, BFS 14:20 - 16:30, ALC 16:55 - 23:25

A/c #3
BFS 07:45 - 09:55, BCN 10:20 - 16:15, STN 17:00 - 19:40

A/c #4
FAO 07:25 - 14:10, PRG 15:05 - 19:55, BFS 20:20 - 22:30

A/c #5
GVA 07:30 - 12:10, BRS 13:25 - 16:00, CIA 16:25 - 22:55

A/c #6
BRS 09:15 - 11:50, STN 12:15 - 14:55, CDG 15:40 - 19:30, BRS 19:55 - 22:25


Don't know how NCE, SXF and BUD will fit into the schedule if they are included in the winter timetable? Possibly, as someone suggested, using flights from other bases?

[simonwa]

Or we could see a 7th a/c added to operate the routes not loaded into the system yet?

[transwede]

Could Swissport be in with a chance of loosing one of their biggest contracts - Thomsonfly? Rumour has it around NCL that they are less than happy about the service they are receiving Swissport, even more so since on sunday a handling vehicle had a minor collision with one of the carriers 737 a/c, causing a substantial delay! Maybe things will be looking up for Servisair. I do think Swissport have bitten off more than they can chew and this is fairly evident for anyone who walks through NCL airport and looks at the ques for TOM, XLA etc. Or is it the airports fault, as numerous times all you hear is announcements apologising for the failure in the baggage belts?!

easyjet

I was under the impression that it was highly unlikely that eay would base anymore a/c at NCL until they have solved their crewing issues, which is a networkwide problem. Maybe if routes to BUD and SXF were not making the right profit, they will be dumped but NCE was performing well, wasn't it?

Also is the problems with XLA beginning to resurface at NCL? Numerous delays over past few days, all affecting one a/c - yes the TF reg 737-400. This is not including the number of times it has had to tech stop on flights already this season. On the plus side, with both the Finnair a/c and FJE (soon to also be AY a/c) operating onbehalf of XLA the majority of their operation seems to have improved. But once again the 734 seems to be not the right a/c for what it is doing and is it true that XLA have leased the a/c for another a couple of years!

[HH6702]

Simonwa

thanks for that timetable.

Aircraft 2 does a double BRS therefore can not do the BCN resulting in a seventh aircraft needed at NCL

[JKP505]

I wouldn't read too much into the routes announced as on sale. At the moment, BRS is missing BUD, HAM, LRH, MAH, MRS, PSA, RJK and VLC. That is a lot of capacity to lose, although they may be seasonal routes.

[FinalsToLand]

even more so since on sunday a handling vehicle had a minor collision with one of the carriers 737 a/c, causing a substantial delay!
This damage was not done at newcastle and swissport were not at fault. (Allegedly) :hmm:
F.T.L

[simonwa]

Easyjet seem to be suffering with a lot of delays at NCL lately. Last few days nearly 3 of the 6 based aircraft running 2-3 hours late. This evening:
EZY516 16:35 LONDON STANSTED CHECK-IN 01 - 04 DELAYED TO 2010
EZY6421 18:55 PALMA CHECK-IN 03 - 05 DELAYED TO 2200
EZY518 19:40 LONDON STANSTED CHECK-IN 05 - 08 DELAYED TO 2240

Whats going on?

[HH6702]

Ive just re-looked at the timetable and yes it is only 6 aircraft.

I could see the bud being dropped but not the nice and berlin.

Wasn't nice going to be a base for easyjet soon?

Maybe 2 A319 flights aday are going to come into ncl?


Keep watching for JET2. Heard ryanair may have another route for us too.

[HH6702]

Looks like belfast city is back to 2x daily

[mmeman]

Have I missed something? Looking to go to Oslo with Ryanair and it looks like it is down to 4 weekly, Mo, We, Fr, Su?

[10 DME ARC]

Torp back to daily from 3rd September, nice to see flybe going twice daily BHD the first flight could be earlier but...

[INTHEOUTBACK]

The problems with EZY yesterday were caused by one of there a/c having hydralic problems and cue EZY favorite game change the a/c:ugh:. Cue another one of our a/c going tech in BRS and all hell broke loose:{, although the a/c did manage to get back to op 516/517:D. 518/519 canx:*. PMI subbed to FJE who seem to be making quite a bit out of EZY lately as they have been doing LGW-IBZ for them the past few days:E. On the whole just another bad day for EZY, unfortunatley these bad days seem to be becoming more frequent:(.

[simonwa]

More delays for EZY again today:
EZY569 16:00 BRISTOL CHECK-IN 02 - 07 DELAYED TO 1830
EZY6472 14:05 ROME - CIAMPINO EXPECTED AT 1710
EZY6488 17:30 BERLIN SCHONEFELD EXPECTED AT 1830

[mmeteesside]

Anyone know what the 'new chunk of airspace' includes and when it will be operational (I'm presuming) around NCL/NEW

Cheers
mmeteesside

[onion]

According to latest GASIL the changes will be introduced on the 6th of JUly
These changes will include two new VRPs at Sunderland Harbour (545506N 00121130W) and Derwent Reservoir (545200N 0015848W). In addition to these the class D airspace element of airway P18 will be extended to the south of TILNI by means of an additional section rising from FL105 to FL125 and bounded by the co-ordinates 543406N 0020308W - 543135N 0013929W - 542344N 0014159W - 542615N 0020534W - 543406N 0020308W.
Newcastle ATC will continue to provide radar and non- radar services within their local area, both inside and outside class D airspace.

Personally I think Newcastle needed the extra room for manoeuvre but I think this has gon a bit to far and think they have been given too much.

[Britannia]

EZY used MD83 OE-LJE on the rome flight.

[postcard]

onion

Onion.....Sorry ....Get reall

[transwede]

HH6702 do you know something we don't?

Jet2 possibly launching winter routes to replace summer services to MAH and PSA? Or more 757 flights to Canaries?

Ryanair, is the long awaited HHN service going to be announced?

Only time will tell......

P.S What about flyglobespan? Weren't they lookng closely at NCL?

[HH6702]

Looks like mme has TFS from globespan

Lets hope there's something from NCL too

[10 DME ARC]

Thanks Postcard just about to jump when I saw your reply.....oooww by the way can I add another few !!!!!!

[onion]

Correction.... that was ... Sorry..... Get real !!!!!!!!!!!

Now why post that? Am I not correct? Did I not state the correct airspace change? If your refering to my opinion am I not entitled to my opinions? Or are you just being the playground bully? Typical of NCL throw their toys out of the pram as soon as someone expresses an opinion that does not conform to their way of playing the game.:ooh:

The problem with the airspace change is the area south of TILNI at FL105. This was opposed by MME, GATCO and the military. The reasons for this was that there would be constrictions on traffic in the top end of the Vale of York as well as constrictions on Leemings and Durham Tees Valley inbounds and outbounds.

I believe the skills of ATCOs at NCL are as good as anywhere in the country, but really they should be when they have that amount of airspace to work with. Are NCL going to keep their traffic inside Controlled airspace now?;)

[10 DME ARC]

Onion
You are correct with your co-ordinates, however this is only one section of the airspace change. I cannot speak for Postcard, but I think your general throw away comment at the end is what got Postcard's and my reply. Newcastle has long been over due this airspace change, we had the traffic levels years and years ago!

The military objecting – well the airspace you are talking about is virtually a direct result of the Military not giving away any airspace to the west and so NCL needing airspace to descend 07 inbounds. The military were happy with this along time ago.

MME – Well it was very strange MME objecting (not at all strange GATCO if you see what I mean!), MME are also a winner from this section as the present Manchester/Newcastle/DTV agreement will still continue and so MME will have the use of this airspace for in/out bounds from P18 also!

Oooh and yes we will be keeping P18 traffic inside CAS – That being the whole point of the change!

[onion]

10 DME ARC my personal opinion is not a throw away comment, yours and postcards were definately a throw away comments. Just typical of NCL supporters in general, quick to attack the innocent. If you had taken the time you would of noticed I did say that NCL needed more space.:ugh:
Is it not true that the gap between MME and the airway is reduced. Meaning that all the traffic that uses this gap will be squeezed into a smaller area and so putting more pressure on ATC at MME while trying to manoeuvre inbounds and outbounds. The problem is that glass G airspace is being squeezed and the military, MME and many of the current users of that piece of airspace are going to be pushed into a smaller area.
I believe that GATCO had conerns originally about safety and believe these fears were eased after revision. Remember GATCO are there just for this sort of thing to try and help in these situations and are well regarded in aviation circles and if they have concerns about airspace change it generally means that there could be a problem with it.
With regards to the military, when have the military ever given up airspace without kicking up a fuss, and too right they need large areas in which to work. In general the military try and gain airspace, look at the Typhoon manoeuvring areas over the North Sea.
We are likely to go round in circles on this all day. Why can't you just accept my opinion? I am entiltled to an opinion, even if you think it is wrong.

[postcard]

Maybe this should be in the ATC forum but nevertheless...
10DME ..I know I should get out more..but...

Onion I fail to see why you are blaming EGNT for any constraints on the aispace south of Tilni.

The input we had in that/your area is/was minimal.



My 'Throw away comment' as you call it, was ,as indicated by 10DME ,purely related to our airspace in our local area..which i take it you will agree I am more than qualified to discuss ?

The near six million passengers flying through Newcastle each year,will i am sure be relieved to hear your comments that Newcastle has too much protected airspace!!

10DME a newcastle supporter!!! you must be joking..I have seen those red/white striped shirts on his washing line!!

[onion]

Postcard I have explained the problem, you may not see it but I can bet others do.
With regards to your throw away comment. When has, and I quote "Onion.....Sorry ....Get real" ever been related to airspace???? It was a stupid comment on your part. If you had said 'I don't agree with you onion' and then explained why, that would of been the best way to discuss the situation. Yes you may be more qualified but you don't know who I am and so you don't actually know.
As for 10DME I have little sympathy for the red and whites! Black and white through and through

[postcard]

10 DME I think Sunderland AFC have had a lot of bad press recently..this doesnt help!!

Should I continue or hold back ?


Onion--as requested.."I dont agree with you onion"

Go on then....tell me your interest...is it ATCO,Private pilot,Commercial pilot, Press,Enthusiast or member of public ??

I ask... so we can continue this discussion at the appropriate level..my interest is as an ATCO with flight safety as paramount.

Speak soon???

[10 DME ARC]

Onion
I like post card view this from an ATCO’s perspective. I have no interest in any rivalry between airports or mil/civil, all I am interested in is having the right tools for my job, in this case airspace for a safe, orderly and expeditious movement of aircraft.

I could continue to argue the relevant points however that has been done over the last few years with all airspace users! If you think CAA DAP have got it wrong?

As for choke point, its only class D airspace give us a call, get a clearance through! Leeming have worked this out with our present airspace!

Black and white:yuk:

[fl dutchman]

Winter schedules. Looking like all but AMS and TFS being discontinued for the winter??.
Would have expected Murcia and Cork to continue.

[crewboi83]

Murcia will be added at a later date, just a few more details to be sorted before it goes on sale.

[Britannia]

Both Jet2's are delayed tonight.

LS535 17:00 CORK CHECK-IN DELAYEDUNTIL 2240
LS553 18:40 AMSTERDAM CHECK-IN DELAYEDUNTIL 2150

[fl dutchman]

So its down to one based A/C for winter?

Has the JET 2 AMS service increased the "total" no of pax flying to/from AMS since it started.

[onion]

Postcard and 10DME

I am a user of both MME and NCL and so have an interest in the changes.

[HeathrowDictator]

Onion,

The point Postcard and 10DME have both made though is that since they are both ATCOs at NCL, they believe that the airspace they have had created is the right size for their needs. You say you are a regular user of NCL and MME....I'm guessing that is as a passenger? If this is the case then without trying to belittle you, you will not know what the bigger picture is - military traffic, gliders, microlights, etc, etc, etc that can "attack" you in Class G airspace.

All we need now once the Newcastle TMA is extended further is a fillet into the P18 for us at MME ;) ;)

-HD-

[Jamesair]

FL DUTCHMAN

Jet 2 AMS

The figures read....Feb. 19,837...Mar. 21,555...Apr. 25,771...May. 29,918.

They started operating on 27th April at 6 flts wkly, increased to 12 from May, as you can see it is definately increasing overall traffic.

[SWBKCB]

Just had a leaflet pushed through my door (NE of EGNT) from Thomson's extolling the benefits of flying from my local airport - quote "bringing summer holidays closer to home"
Which airport is it pushing - yep, "Robin Hood Airport - Doncaster Sheffield"!!

[original boro atco]

Onion

Come on Onion, come clean !, tell us your real interest in this discussion.

original boro atco

[transwede]

Thomsonfly don't seem to be having much luck at NCL with OTP, another huge delay today. This is atleast the third in as many weeks. Have they expanded their operations, not just at NCL but everywhere too much too quickly? Or is it just bad luck?

[HH6702]

Just bad luck at the minute i hope.

I think that JET2 will keep two aircraft throughout the winter.
They have taken plenty of staff on full time so they have the staff.

I think that murcia will be at least 4 x weekly.


I also hope that they put some of there summer 2007 seats on sale.

[HH6702]

Ryanair Winter 2006/7


Olso now on sale
flights daily early evening times

[INTHEOUTBACK]

Most of the charters flog the hell out of there planes and leave little time for maintenence and so invariebly at this time of the year and also it seems at the end of the summer things start to go wrong:ugh:. Wouldn't worry about it though all airlines go through rough patches, EZY are having one and so to TOM. Next week it'll probably be someone else;).

[skyman771]

On the basis that CO are the only likely candidate for a NYC service in 2007, then the following is of claim by an -insider- is of interest :-
'The Summer 2007 schedule will see yet another 4 or 5 new routes from EWR to Europe, of course all with the 752. All of the usual cities that have been discussed here at a.net are possibilities, with HEL and STR getting a lot of attention.'
If NCL were to miss out on this batch of CO route allocations, then whereto next?
DL unlikely to be an option as I'm not aware of any plans to use anything smaller than 767's on routes to Europe.:ugh:

[NCLRULES]

NIA have launched a new look website if anyone is interested.

[skyman771]

Don't know about anyone else, but I find the purple is a bit 'in your face!':yuk:

[skyman771]

In respect of todays announcement by GSM of their new 07 service LPL-EWR then firstly I suppose it can be said that yet again another UK provincial airport has moved ahead of NCL in providing a regular direct US connection.
Secondly given that GSM are setting up against MAN in an attempt to attract pax., then given that GSM are looking to set up a base at DTV, could we forsee the day when the only NE direct connection to the US eminates from DTV;) ;)
On a more serious note then how can such a service possibly be viable using two class 752's of which the predominant 'Y' is little more than "cattle class" with only 30" seat pitch. Also much NYC generated traffic and a major contribution to profitability is on through connections.
I for one would be horrified if the possibility of GSM moving into the NE would put off a larger carrier. It is completely incomprehensible to suggest that if AA or CO could not make go of NCL, then GSM with two "naff" configured 752's could, but then stranger things happen:)

[Ametyst]

A tad jealous Skyman771? Nobody ever thought that easyJet could operate a viable service every day from Liverpool to Nice when they started in 1997, it now operates 16 times a week, the rest at Liverpool is history....... and I hope an even brighter future with at least 14 new routes set to start over the next 10 months.

[skyman771]

Ametyst, I hope your airports expansion plans are not built on (Mersey) sand!
Jealous has nothing to do with this. It seems to me that all that is happening is that GSM is simply adding pressure to the Loco bubble in an area of the market that is largely untried & tested (at least since Laker days). It remains to be seen as to what the market is for the largely basic product that GSM are to offer. Personally I'd prefer a higher end product offering occasional discounts with an airline that has strong US links as a basis of expansion, rather than rest my hopes on the performance reliability of a couple of old 752's offering less than average levels of service & comfort, focusing on NYC as the 'end product'...but then perhaps that's what market research has indicated is appropriate for you.:)

[Ametyst]

Do you know the source of the 752's? No complaints I take it when AA were planning to use 752s between Newcastle and New York.

The basic product that you refer to is the same as that offered by American, Delta, Continental et al. Meals may be included pn their flights but drinks have to be paid for and the seat pitch is the same. GSM's '757s will seat 189 passengers (167 economy & 22 Business) which is exactly the same configuration that American use on their 757s. New York is a big enough market to stand alone without needing interline traffic.

[skyman771]

Ametyst : I've no intention of prolonging this discussion with you as it really is going nowhere. What I will say is that you do need to look at your facts, the source of the seat pitch on GSM ecconomy is their own site & is stated as 30" if you were to check the other airlines that you quote then you will find that the seat pitch is considerably larger.

[HH6702]

GSM going to do New york from liverpool

Could we see New york from newcastle with them.
They have highlighted long haul routes for S07 out of NCL so maybe this will be one.

(i hope not would rather see CO or DL on the route but least we would have a direct NEW york)!!

[Jet_stream]

More likely to be MME - EWR.....watch this space!!

[skyman771]

Hmmmm..........DTV... It's not hard to make a case for this, in theory at least, ie Peel airports, established relationship with GSM presumably leading to low fees. At this time GSM albeit with Scottish connections appear to be staying away from direct competition with NYC based flights at GLA, EDI & also at MAN. But the reality is that if there is genuine substance that AA could not see a workable business model from NCL with an established customer base, then GSM could presumably only succeed on an entirely different business model of largely tourist punters attracted by Loco fares i.e. a reduced frequency summer only service. I would have thought if GSM is to continue it's expansion on the same principles as LPL, the the obvious move for them would be DSA. After all this would attack the percieved market that LBA has for some time suggested exists.
Curiously I have heard no noises or comment from NCL on their own case following the LPL announcement, when clearly they are more than abreast of GSM developments.
Do they have a ace up their sleeve?:confused:

[Jet_stream]

Also a GLA - LAS on the cards for summer 2007.

[HH6702]

Rumours are going around that MME is going to get EWR from GSM for Summer 2007.

Could MME really get a New York service before NCL!!!!

NCL management needs to really be doing some talking to airlines if this is true.

[Jet_stream]

yup ....heard from the inside grapevine!!!!! MME - EWR !!!!

[RobT100]

Rumours are going around that MME is going to get EWR from GSM for Summer 2007.
Could MME really get a New York service before NCL!!!!
NCL management needs to really be doing some talking to airlines if this is true.
id love it, absolutely love it :)

[transwede]

A sad state of affairs if DTV got a NYC link before NCL. If I was an airline I would be very dubious of starting such a route from a fairly small airport with a smaller catchment area than NCL. NCL also has a better route structure, with potentially other loco routes used to connect with a loco US link. NCL has been crying out for so many years for a link to the US, but I do think that CO or similar would be more viable in terms of offering onward connections.

It seems that route expansion has gone awfully quiet at NCL of late. Either there is no more scope for growth and hence airlines are looking elsewhere or the airport management have an ace up their sleeve and we'll see another big expolsion in new routes happening soon. Lets hope it is the latter as NCL is the only UK major airport now without a link to NYC, with BRS and BFS etc already having one. It also seems that airports such as LBA, BRS are attracting new airlines and routes more frequently?

Maybe NCL has reached its capacity, lets face it at nights most parking stands are occupied and the departures area of the terminal is sometimes overcrowded and maybe airlines do not want to operate at off peak times.

[RobT100]

Id say its all happened a little too fast for NCL. You're spot on when you say there is so little room.
Its time for NCL to take stock of what its got and forget about any new routes

[dwlpl]

Ametyst : I've no intention of prolonging this discussion with you as it really is going nowhere. What I will say is that you do need to look at your facts, the source of the seat pitch on GSM ecconomy is their own site & is stated as 30" if you were to check the other airlines that you quote then you will find that the seat pitch is considerably larger.

Globespan - 30"
American - 31"
Delta - 31"
Continental - 31" or 32"

[GrahamK]

id love it, absolutely love it :)
Yes, we all know you have something against Newcastle :ugh:
Although, you are perhaps correct when you say Newcastle may have grown too quickly.

[skyman771]

I've made quite a few posts in the past relating to NYC flights, but what I certainly don't want to do is add any weight to the DTV - EWR rumour. Basically from what I can see it is totally unfounded, without any substance and is simply the result of circumstance !! WHERE has GSM even hinted that DTV is a runner ? One can make a story out of anything if one tries, particularly when everyone is desperate for news !
Lets just look at this sensibly, NYC is a fine tourist destination for a few months of the year, but when the weather turns it's not such a nice place & thus a significant number of transit pax to other US cities LAS, LAX or where ever are required to support such a service, both as added revenue for extra route miles & obviously to keep up the load factors. Now how can GSM possibly obtain this revenue, not to mention the hassle factor on those pax who do need to transit, probably realising too late that there is no point doing it on the cheap to EWR, when they realise that the additional connection cost, makes the whole deal more expensive than a through ticket via LHR, AMS or wherever !
Now on the issue of DTV itself, not a lot of infrastructure in place, not many hotels, transport not brilliant, but perhaps more significant, no significant route structure in place to attract any inbound passengers transitting on in Europe.
I would not be surprised that if the original rumour eminated from DTV / MME itself, trying desperately to put one over on it's more illustrious neighbour. If they can 'move' the geographic location of Durham (ie it is actually nearer NCL than MME) then perhaps there is a thought been sown that anything is possible.Lets face it any publicity is good publicity for them:E

[HeathrowDictator]

I would not be surprised that if the original rumour eminated from DTV / MME itself, trying desperately to put one over on it's more illustrious neighbour. If they can 'move' the geographic location of Durham (ie it is actually nearer NCL than MME) then perhaps there is a thought been sown that anything is possible.Lets face it any publicity is good publicity for them:E

Skyman,

Seems someone doesn't like MME!!! :confused:

I would be very suprised indeed if the rumours started at MME, since certainly in ATC, we don't hear about routes until after they are announced to the public...I actually found out GSM were starting the TFS route by reading it on the airport website - we are still yet to receive official word in the Tower!!

However, with regards to your point on poor links to transit passengers from Europe - I agree. The only services really for this would be the KLC link through Amsterdam, and the BMA Heathrow and even then there aren't many services per day per route.

Not sure why Peel have such a good business relationship with GSM - they did all their route training for the new B767 flying GLA-MME-LPL-MME-GLA, and we all cynically thought that we were just helping opposition airports so I suppose it was a nice suprise to hear they were setting up a route from us. My guess is someone, somewhere has taken the fact that GSM are doing MME-TFS and thought up a ridiculous suggestion that we will get an EWR route. Don't get me wrong, it would be fabulous to gain such a prestigious route, but looking at it realistically I cannot see how it can happen because of the reasons Skyman has given (although I do not agree with the comment quoted at the top of this post!!!).


-HD-

[bycrewlgw]

Maybe MME-LPL-EWR-LPL-MME ? Again not really sure where the rumour came from but a seasonal service may work if the price is right. Anyone know what the population distribution is like around MME compared to SNN? SNN sustain quite a few US routes albeit a split load with DUB so can't see why it couldn't work from MME. Well unless no PAX use it then well..... :ok:

[mmeteesside]

In the Tees Valley area, plus North Yorkshire and County Durham, the population total is roughly 2570700 ;)

mmeteesside

[lukeylad]

Im told that at night You cant move at ncl as there are normally 20 or so aircraft that stay over night at ncl.

[10 DME ARC]

26 night stoppers each summers night but still another three stands available, so no problem for now...and more stands to come this winter!:)

[LGS6753]

This is an interesting debate.
The major North-East airport is undoubtedly Newcastle, but it is crowded having recently grown rapidly. It competes successfully with DTV on domestic and European routes, where one airline could serve say Palma or Barcelona daily from NCL, and another serve the same destinations weekly from DTV.
Transatlantic is different. The flight is longer, so saving 30 minutes of travel to airport time is less important. Those planning to fly from the North East to NYC would fly from either NCL or DTV if the schedules were similar.
On the positive side, DTV arguably serves a more affluent albeit smaller catchment area. (Someone from York or Leeds may fly to NYC from DTV but not NCL, preferring MAN). DTV is uncongested, and that would improve the travel experience at this end. Parking ought to be cheaper at DTV. It's certainly nearer the terminal.
The North East will only get one trans-Atlantic service, at least for now, and if I were planning, I'd look seriously at DTV.

[skyman771]

LGS6753

LGS6753 - The only bit of sense in this whole posting was that there won't be two NYC services !
Using your logic, then LHR would not be as popular as other London airports because it is crowded and that parking is more expensive and farther away from the terminal:D :D
Those with longer memory will recall that the BAA policy of segregating longhaul from a more desirable European hub relating to GLA vs PWK failed miserably.:ugh:

[uklad007]

Skyman - I agree its a waffling way of saying there will only be one choice and in his view it should be considered as DTV, ruling out NCL (much as you have just agreed to MMETeesside's comments in the DTV thread)
Whoever gets it, it will be good for them and good for the North East as a whole! :ok:

[NCLRULES]

Flights to Orlando Florida start early next year from 24 March 2007 with Airtours. Source: NIA July e:bulletin. :)

[Jamesair]

Just a point....if DTV got the EWR route, how would pax from the Newcastle area, without a car, actually get to DTV.

NCL has the definate advantage of serving a well established tourist and business area with excellent surface transport links directly to and from the airport.

[mmeteesside]

I'm sure most people who used a route like EWR would have a car anyway, but just in case they don't......it's easy, get the train to Darlington and then get the free bus to the airport (£2 if not flying!)

mmeteesside

[Jamesair]

thanks for that info.....

[HeathrowDictator]

Yup, just a shame that the railway station at MME Airport only has 3 trains a day (no exaggeration - that's about as many that stop there!). But like Mmeteesside says, you can get the free bus from Darlo.

Good to see Sanford back on the list of destinations from NCL - hopefully this time it'll be here to stay!

-HD-

[LGS6753]

Skyman -

My logic is related to the debate in question, not the London area.

I don't think it is too extreme to suggest that SLF from Leeds/York, both fairly affluent centres, would choose DTV over MAN, but not NCL over MAN.

They won't do that without clever, targeted and consistent PR/advertising.

If DTV wants to attract passengers, it has to play to its strengths. At present its strengths are accessibility, uncongested, swift terminal access.

Furthermore, if NCL attracted a NYC service, it would be competing with the Continental flights from EDI. That's less of an issue at DTV.

[JKP505]

With regard to MME v SNN - have you heard of the Shannon stopover. As far as I'm aware, the only route EI are allowed to fly without the SNN stopover is to LAX. Therefore absolutely incomparable.

As for GSM flying to EWR/JFK(?) v NCL to JFK/EWR with CO/DL (even AA cannot be ruled out). Well, they are so utterly incomparable it isn't even worth discussing to be honest. Absolutely different markets. AA/CO/DL would be looking at probably connecting at least 30% of their traffic to their transcontinental networks. GSM on the other hand, would connect absolutely zilch. The two services could co-exist without any problems.

To be fair I don't think that MME has, is or will make a dent in NCL's progress, as much as NCL hasn't, isn't and won't hamper MME's progress.

[HH6702]

here's the times saturday flights

07-Apr-2007 07-Apr-2007 Newcastle - Orlando Sanford
06:20 / 12:55 (11 hours 35 minutes) (MYT045)
Economy
14-Apr-2007 15-Apr-2007 Orlando Sanford - Newcastle
14:45 / 06:10 (10 hours 25 minutes) (next day) (MYT046)

[HH6702]

It's now on the airport website.
looks great

[fl dutchman]

Have NCL lost Berlin, Budapest and Nice with Easyjet ?? And Cork and Murcia with Jet 2. Didnt expect the Jet 2 to Pisa and Menorca to op in winter.

Just flown Jet 2 NCL to Pisa and back as passenger, loads about 90/100 each sector, so the loads could be better. Good flights times and service though.

[NCL-06]

will mytravel be operating a 767 on the orlando sanford route?

[skyman771]

As for GSM flying to EWR/JFK(?) v NCL to JFK/EWR with CO/DL (even AA cannot be ruled out). The two services could co-exist without any problems.
Errr.... no ! There are not the pax. no.'s to support even ONE service, if one believes the press that AA put out.

[transwede]

fl dutchman I do believe that Jet2 could have made a better decision that a route to PSA, maybe VCE or NAP would have worked better. I would have thought that they would have introduced some winter ski destinations to replace their summer services, maybe they are just being cautious with their NCL operations and reducing it to one a/c for the winter. I think the frequency of MJV will reduce for the winter, but not dropped altogether, hopefully the same for ORK otherwise 2 flights to AMS and 1 to BGO hardly seems worthwhile having a base!

Did someone not mention on this forum that easyjet had not fully released winter flights and therefore NCE, BUD and SXF would still operate? Hope they stay, otherwise the massive expansion NCL has seen in recent times is in grave danger of reversing itself.

NCL-06 MYT I expect will use A330, possibly routing via another UK airport. 0610, very early compared with usual SFB timings.

With all the talk of GSM and NCL and possible NYC link, lets look seriously at NCL. Airlines seem to be approaching expansion at NCL with caution now, together with NCL being slightly crowded. Realistically what opportunities are there at NCL for GSM should they begin operations? There has been talk of base being established with a mix of long and short, but what possible routes are there? Many of the usual european loco routes have been snapped up already and the charter carriers are also vying for a slice of the action, particularly TOM to PMI, ALC etc. GSM seem to have very little possible opportunities to choose from, unless they plan to increase frequencies to existing destinations, though I wonder how many more flights to PMI, ALC etc can NCL fill? Longhaul GSM maybe in with a chance, possibly not with a NYC link, as the only way this would work from NCL is with the connections available at NYC. SFB, YYZ, YVR, etc are possible chances for GSM, but again will they be successful from NCL? I hope if they do start ops at NCL, GSM do well, give EZY a run for their money!!

[heslop2006]

On NCL's website on the timetable for next year it says 767 ;)

[crewboi83]

If the flight time is 11hrs im assuming that its either routing via a UK station such as MAN or LGW or even tech stopping in places likes Bangor
It cant be a simple NCL SFB NCL with a flight time of over 11 hrs

[Felix Saddler]

What privileges does one recieve when purchasing a membership with northumbria flying school, apart from student insurance on the aircraft or whatever it may be ?

[onion]

Just a few toughs on the GSM situation.

1. MME has a larger catchment area than NCL
2. GSM have an existing relationship with Peel
3. GSM will have had experience with operations into MME by the time a transatlantic service starts from the North East
4. GSM may fly via LPL from MME
5. IT will be cheaper to fly from MME than NCL
6. MME's terminal is less crowded so you can get through quicker, also the new terminal will improve on this as well.

Yes NCL is the more established airport in the minds of the public but this is the type of route MME needs to redress this balance.

[fl dutchman]

"GSM will be cheaper to New York from Durham Tees Valley "
How will this be?, there
are some very cheap deals to New York from NCL with KL AF BA via AMS CDG LHR etc.
This will be no more inconvenient if the GSM if it happens goes via LPL.
GSM will not have the facility for onward connections from EWR
The best solution is a "US airline" scheduled service to JFK/ EWR with onward connections available.

[lukeylad]

What privileges does one recieve when purchasing a membership with northumbria flying school, apart from student insurance on the aircraft or whatever it may be ?

Ya get to use wings the bar in the old terminal!!

[POL1W]

[QUOTE=fl dutchman]"GSM will be cheaper to New York from Durham Tees Valley "
How will this be?,QUOTE]

I don't think he said GSM will be cheaper from MME than NCL. He said it will be cheaper to fly from MME than NCL, meaning the landing fees. But, unless onion works for Peel and is privy to the contracted rates on offer to GSM his statement is purely conjecture I feel.

[skyman771]

Just a few toughs on the GSM situation.
1. MME has a larger catchment area than NCL .... MME is not even nearer Durham than NCL!
2. GSM have an existing relationship with Peel:D
3. GSM will have had experience with operations into MME by the time a transatlantic service starts from the North East.....probably about 10 years experience if MME.
4. GSM may fly via LPL from MME:D
5. IT will be cheaper to fly from MME than NCL......Your thoughts, no one elses !
6. MME's terminal is less crowded so you can get through quicker, also the new terminal will improve on this as well.......Well this takes the biscuit !, an irrational comment, but I doubt you would attract any more traffic it even turned out the size of T5 !:)
Yes NCL is the more established airport in the minds of the public but this is the type of route MME needs to redress this balance...... The ONLY fact in your whole posting :D
Insofar as your points are concened they are basically unsubstantiated and really pointless cos' you ain't actually got a NYC service!
Case in point where did you pick up on #2 & #4 from ? - probably picking up on my posting yesterday on the DTV site... mischief making perhaps ?:=
At least I can present a tongue in cheek argument. I suggest that you retire back to posting on the DTV site where I note that you can sound off about your problems with BMI:E

[HH6702]

Flyglobespan

Here is what i think will happen

Ncl to get a 767 based.

4x weekly to EWR
2x weekly to Toronto and Calgary
1x weekly to Cape Town

[heslop2006]

I hope. :D

[HH6702]

I do also.

Less risk for the airline by doing this and also i couldn't see DTV being albe to get the same pax numbers

[heslop2006]

Canadian routes would pull passengers as for good use to visit family whom have emmigrated to Canada

[onion]

Firstly skyman it was only a few thoughts. Secondly Peel and Flyglobespan do have a relationship, MME to TFS. Thats not hard to pick up on.
Thirdly MME has a larger catchment area than NCL, I did not say that MME was nearer Durham than NCL.:ugh:
Fourthly economies of scale alone suggest that it will be cheaper to operate out of MME rather than NCL, due to there being existing GSM operations out of MME. Your obviously not business minded are you!
IN my post there are at least 4 fact, 2 will probably be facts and one is just an idea.
Regarding bmi that is just a annoyance. Has nothing to do with my post on here if you wish to discuss them PM me.
The only person mischief making my friend is you:= and as to suggesting I retire to the DTV thread I shall not, but I suggest you retire for good if you have nothing better to do than try and pick apart my posts, you must have a very boring life

[Jamesair]

according to the Eastern Airways timetable the LCY service has been reduced from 4 x daily to 3 x daily (M-F). Has anyone else noticed this?

[aeulad]

With a flight time of 1h35m on each sector for the J41, it would appear that the reduction is more likely to be due to scheduling than to pax numbers.

Regards

Mike

[mmeteesside]

It's flown by a Dornier 328 :ouch:

[HH6702]

Dublin is now on sale for winter. no changes that i can see.


Looks like we may be missing out to MME with Ryanair
look at this

Things might be on the up at last. Extract from this morning's Northern Echo (edited version) :-

''Airline planning new routes''

LOW-COST airline Ryanair aims to increase passenger numbers by 20 per cent a year - and is considering new routes from its North-East airports, it emerged last night.
Karl Hogstadius, Ryanair deputy sales and marketing manager, visited Durham Tees Valley Airport yesterday to promote the Dublin route, handing out flights for 1p each.
The first flight from Durham Tees Valley to Dublin was launched in November 1997, and since then Ryanair has carried more than 700,000 passengers on the route.
This year it expects to carry between 80,000 and 100,000 passengers to and from the Irish city.
Mr Hogstadius said yesterday that regional airports, such as Tees Valley and Newcastle, and the shorter routes to places such as Dublin and Cork, were central to the future of Ryanair.
"We like the shorter flights, maybe 40 minutes or an hour, more than the three-hour flights because you can fit more of them in, and keep the prices lower," he said.
"We are currently in negotiations with more than 50 airports and destinations across Europe, and we will see where those negotiations take us, but we will certainly be looking at more routes from Tees Valley."

Any offers / suggestions as to where? Might BMibaby be under threat on the Cork route ?

[10 DME ARC]

Standard publicity stuff done because the MME-DUB is not doing very well, if you believe the MME prune thread.
First few lines say;
LOW-COST airline Ryanair aims to increase passenger numbers by 20 per cent a year - and is considering new routes from its North-East airports, it emerged last night.
So not at all bad really.

[transwede]

HH6702 your thoughts seem to be a little optimistic, 6 weekly long haul flights from NCL? Could be the right starter destinations, but CPT seems an odd choice or is that just me thinking that? I do hope your predictions are true though, and as regards to NCL operating at full capacity as far as apron space is concerned, yes space is tight at times, but the general timing of long haul departures means operations would take place in the quieter spots of the day. I do think that SFB will feature in any longhaul plans, should GSM start ops.

It is all well and good all the rumours about more expansion with GSM at NCL but have we really thought about the following?

Can the NCL catchment area really sustain such long haul routes, all year round or if they are just seasonal services what about the winter?

Does the airport and ground handling agents have the facilities and equipment to deal with yet more based aircraft?

Is it just going to be long haul or is there short haul in the pipeline?

Will a loco route to NYC be less beneficial than say CO or AA with the potential long haul connections?

CPT was going to be served by AV8 some years back, could it work for GSM?

Could they fill a regular YYZ service?

The list of uncertainties is endless. Hopefully if they intend to expand NCL then they will have carried out adequate research and it will be the big break NCL has been looking for!:D


Anyone know why TOM's ACE flight from this afternoon is still here? Whens it likely to go? TOM seem to be having a rough time at the minute.

[skyman771]

HH6702
Will a loco route to NYC be less beneficial than say CO or AA with the potential long haul connections?

These are two entirely different operatons, both have their merits. Logically it is an AA or CO product that should offer the best chance of sucess as there is flexibility arising from the opportunity to target a more varied passenger profile, whilst obtaining higher yields from the premium seats & added value with through connections at NYC.
But then whats logic in the airline business ?:sad:
The grapevine strongly suggests that CO may add two or three new European destinations by Summer 07, there is nothing to suggest that NCL will be one of these, it's a concept that is raised annually. Personally I feel that AA did NCL no favours & we'll be waiting some time to see CO 752's at NCL who now has to resell itself as able to support a viable NYC service. To do this substantial financial incentives will need to be offered as part of any package to CO or indeed any airline considering taking on this route.
My view is that other than in the marketing, a GSM offering is little more than another holiday route albeit to the US. The difference being purely in the marketing & the hype. You may or not recall that many decades ago NCL did have an offering to JFK in the summer through Jetsave. Albeit that through time the operating restrictions due to available equipment have evapourated, neither those that offered such a product to the North East tourists in those days nor their descendants have identified that the re-introduction of a similar product was worthwhile venture...........

[Jamesair]

AEULAD

re the Eastern LCY route.....apart from April with Easter obviously affecting business traffic the route seems to be carrying between 1600/1700 pax per month. The J41 should improve the load factor a bit.

[transwede]

Re GSM, I think it will be a while before we hear anything regarding their operations. They seem to be concentrating on MAN/LPL at the moment. We can only keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Does anyone know if TOM are stopping their services to SSH? It seems their pax are now on TCX flights? Is this just temporary or a permanent thing for the winter as well? There are quite a few SSH flights per week, with 3 in the winter and next summer a planned 4. Maybe someone could start a HRG, TCP....a bit of variety?

And is it just me or is NCL suffering from quite a few hefty delays recently?

[skyman771]

Re GSM, We can only keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best.
What do you consider to be the best outcome, a GSM NYC service ?:ugh:

[Mouser]

Well,
skyman771 a bitter man.

[HH6702]

DL is getting 10 ex AA b757 next year to use from the east coast of usa to europe. maybe ncl is in the plans somewhere

[skyman771]

Well,
skyman771 a bitter man.
Not at all ! Good luck to you scousers with your GSM EWR service (if indeed it can be sustained), but there are others that prefer not to settle for second best.:sad:

[skyman771]

DL is getting 10 ex AA b757 next year to use from the east coast of usa to europe. maybe ncl is in the plans somewhere
I really can not see this move as having an impact on NCL for a variety of reasons. The 752's have been acquired to enhance DL's long haul flexibility, and as such it is likely that they may be required for HNL as well as Europe. They may be used simply to release 762's on currrent thin routes or to re-enter thin routes previously dropped when operating an all 762 policy.
Given DL's current financial problems a more conservative policy is likely and additional 752 services if bound for the UK will end up at more established gateways.
I have seen nothing to indicate as to what portion of DL's 752 routes to Europe will operate from NYC i.e. JFK where they currently have limited onward connections, as opposed to their established ATL hub.
On a final note wasn't one of the 'excuses' cited by AA on their pull out, uncertainty over fuel costs.... at present they are at record highs !

[nclairportfan]

Has anyone heard of a new airline called Esperia Aer. Their website states they want to fly from NCL - Strasbourg and MSE from 1/12/06.

[HH6702]

can't find website please suply website for esperia aer
thanks


Sorry. Airline websites, which invariably sell airline tickets, are considered unpaid advertising on PPRuNe. We have several airlines who do pay for advertising with PPRuNe who object to such. Strenuously.

Suggest a google.

[nclairportfan]

HH6702, I have sent you a PM!

[Jamesair]

I've just had a look at the website.....very strange route structure. Does seem to include NCL - MSE and Strasbourg.

They will have to get a move on with the timetable etc. if services are to commence on 1st December.

[HH6702]

Looking at the website it looks like 3x weekly service to Kent airport again
lets hope they have better look than EUjet.