Emerald Airways

[saint alled]

What's going on at Emerald? There seems to be a distinct lack of airframe movement today......

[GrahamK]

I read on another forum that the CAA had branded them "Unsafe to fly" and have suspended their operational certificate for an "unlimited period".
I understand Emerald are to make an announcement today sometime though

[TimS]

Its all on here .....

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=223621

..... it looks like they are deep in the poo !

[Wonkavater]

Their Sheds, ATPs and 748s have been flying into BLK since yesterday evening. I presume to stay..........

[Hansol]

This will have made quite a hole in Euromanx's IOM-LPL operation, although I understand they have chartered in an ATR 72 (Air Atlantic ?) as a replacement.

[Buster the Bear]

Administrators appointed to Emerald Airways Limited

May 12 2006
Richard Fleming and Brian Green from KPMG Restructuring have been appointed Administrators to Emerald Airways Ltd and Emerald Airways Engineering Ltd.

Liverpool-based Emerald Airways Limited is an aviation group operating over 30 freight and passenger aircraft on scheduled and ad-hoc services throughout the UK and Europe. The firm, which employs approximately 200 employees, has an annual turnover of c£25 million.

Based at Blackpool Airport, Emerald Airways Engineering Ltd (EAEL) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Emerald Airways and is primarily responsible for the maintenance, repair and refurbishment of passenger and freight aircraft.

On 4 May 2006, Emerald Airways Ltd had its Air Operators Certificate (AOC) provisionally suspended by the Civil Aviation Authority. As a result of its fleet being grounded, the firm has been unable to generate sufficient money to cover its outgoings and has consequently been placed into administration.

Richard Fleming, Joint Administrator at KPMG Restructuring, said: “At present, we are evaluating the options for the business with a view to selling it as a going concern. However, in order to achieve a sale, it is imperative that the AOC suspension is lifted, so we will be working with the Civil Aviation Authority over the coming days to achieve this.”

He added, “We would urge any parties who are interested in acquiring the business to contact us as soon as possible.”

[thetrooper]

Reported in the Isle of Man's paper today,the IOM airport have detained Emerald Airways ATP G-JEMC due to unpaid airport charges.Emerald have 21 days to pay or the airport will sell the aircraft.

[Raw Data]

Well I guess Emerald have a bit longer to pay then, as nobody will want the ATP - it can join all the others parked at Woodford. Probably leased from BAe in any case.

[tallaonehotel]

Who would buy the thing is the question?????

The best place for ATP's are at a scrap yard.

[hushkit77]

they could just roll it off the end of the runway and into the sea!!!

[pp763]

Have any of you actually flown on an ATP or flown one?

[Raw Data]

Oh yes. Used to position on them all the time. When the cabin wasn't filling with smoke, the avionics were frying themselves... it was better when it was a 748! I also seem to recall lots of trim problems - making all the pax sit down the back, and loading ballast spring to mind.

When we first introduced them, they were tech all the time - hence the nickname Advanced Technical Problem. Eventually, BAe sent a team of engineers from Prestwick to monitor them on a 24 hour basis, as they were failing to dispatch 40% of the time.

Of course the real proof of the pudding is in how many they sold, which was very few. There were still a bunch of them parked at Woodford last time I was there.

It could have been a good aircraft, but they rushed the development process and cut corners, and it shows.

[silverhawk]

This was the ATP mk2. It was what the ATP was supposed to be if it had been given the time to be developed properly. Better engines, pressurisation and the toilet moved to rear.
So what did BAe do? Flew it once for 1 1/2 hours then chopped it up because of AIR/ATR. Typical.

BAe refused to prove a cargo door on the ATP 9 years ago. Now most examples have been converted to freighters. Again typical.

[tristar500]

Yes, the ATP (Another Technical Problem) wasnt all it was cracked up to be... Sad though as it came from a true leader of its time (HS748). There was plenty of scope for it to be a great aircraft, as the 748 operators (in partucular BA shorthaul/highlands and Islands) were all waiting with baited breath for this new wonderful aircraft, to replace the 748 and F27 and some of the smaller jets on thinner routes ie BAC1-11, DC9 and F28 etc...

On paper it looked great. Excellent economics and savings but In reality it was a disaster, as noted in previous posts. Its like everything else - Great idea chaps, lets rush it out as soon as possible! Developement was short, and backup was lacking...

British aircraft manufacturers were the envy of the world - what ever happened... We stood out and produced some of the finest aircraft both civil and military in the world. Viscount, Herald, Comet, Trident, VC10 and BAC 1-11 to name a few. All the factories designing, testing and building. Look at the British Aviation industry now. There isnt one! Visited Farnborough in July, and to be honest, it could have been in any country as the British precence was very much lacking - in every respect. (It was an expensive excursion too, with transport costing around £20.00 return frim LHR)

The (HS146), BAe146/Avro was our last attempt to sort things and get back on track, but that too 'landed short' of expectations. Great idea but as with the ATP underdeveloped, lacked in initial support, and lagged behind whilst other caught up. It is still a good aircraft but still unreliable, slow and takes for ever to climb when full...

Dont get me wrong. Iam a British national who supports my country in every respect, in particular the aviation sector but it is sad that we no longer have an industry. We led the way and have now lost our way.

[MOR]

Actually our last attempt was the AVRO RJX, which looked like being all the 146 should have been from the beginning. A great aircraft, only ever did proving flights and now presumably cut up for scrap (although I think one ended up in a museum at MAN somewhere).


Very, very sad... a victim of Airbus Industrie internal politics...

[Expressflight]

Can anyone substantiate the rulour that Andy Janes is planning to set up a new airline at SEN early 2007 with ATPs and 748s from the ex-Emerald fleet?

[GBALU53]

Lets hope this comes about it would be sad if the Budgie can get more trill and earn a living.

The ATPs do have life left in them so lets all hope it would be great to see them in the air again.

[TwinAisle]

The whole fleet has been sold to Brisbane-based Pacific Turbine (PTB) for a shade over USD12m...

[Oshkosh George]

Well,if correct,sounds like the end for the aircraft,as they are an engine company. Makes you wonder how much call there is for Darts though! Perhaps it is for non aviation use?

[Expressflight]

I don't think you would pay that sort of money to part-out the fleet.

The purchaser's website suggests they will place most of the aircraft with operators on a leasing basis over the next year or so. Perhaps AJ has done a deal with them.

[Oshkosh George]

Yes,I see the news item tucked away under 'Investors' !

I for one would love to see them back in the air. They bring a bit of variation to the Boeing/Airbus near-monopoly.

[Hansol]

Being split up and sold by the administrators, won't be suprised if a number are broken for spares/engines.

[IB4138]

It is reported elsware that ATP, G-JEMA, departed Liverpool for Blackpool yesterday.

[Wonkavater]

Two ATPs remote parked on rwy 25 at BLK. Another 3 aircraft expected to arrive soon. I believe their remaining ATPs are going into the hangar eventually. The 748s are destined for the knackers yard I've heard. Anyone have the definite gen?

[GBALU53]

Out of the five Shorts 360s at Coventry two look like they will never be airborne again two more had a least one engine missing but other wise intact and one was locked in a hangar for safe keeping i think.

Two 748s were at the eastern side looking in one peace but thats about it lots of shed parts for sale by KPMG??

[J31 MAN]

Apologies for dragging an old thread up but does anyone know what's happening/happened to ATP G-JEMA last known stored inside at Blackpool? Cheers.

[horatio_b]

It was scrapped last year

[Rivet Joint]

What about all the fleet they had stored at BLK? Presumably they are stranded in any event now BLK is closed?

[cumbrianboy]

BLK closed? Are you sure …. :=

[Armodeen]

I saw a flight that departed BLK on FR24 last night, I believe there has been a reprieve?

[canberra97]

I is still open for helicopters and light aircraft but not for commercial aviation over a certain size!

[runway08]

JEMA/JEMC Still listed as stored.

JEMB/JEMD Went to Atlantic and then onto Indonesia last year.

JEME Went to the same airline in Indonesia in 2009 and was damaged beyond repair 2013.

[cmf146]

G-JEMA was broken up at Blackpool in April 14
G-JEMC is still stored at Coventry in pax config.

Regards,
Colin

[jijpc]

Armodeen,
As mentioned Blackpool is only open to light aircraft. FR24 is not totally accurate and sometimes mnakes assumptions on departure airports. Today FR24 showed up an Embraer 145 owned by BAe in the climb and assumed it had come from BLK, when it had in fact taken off from BAe at Warton near Preston. Hope that helps

[cumbrianboy]

point is blackpool well and truly open, never really closed. True, the commercial traffic has gone, but looks like city wing due to return in the spring