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jayteeto
21st Apr 2006, 20:11
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=221880

This should be on Jetblast but I don't know any other way to link it. I am sorry, but I have just blown my stack with someone over there. I am sure I am out of order, but its worth a read, especially if you like having a go at liberal commie pinkos.

ExSimGuy
21st Apr 2006, 21:30
PS. I like a drink, but I dont the night before flying.

I've never flown an aircraft under the influence of drugs, alcohol included, but surely if you "like a drink", there's not really any big difference than having a "smoke" (I'm an expat working in a country where alcohol and cannabis are both illegal)

Unless you can come up with a specific medical argument that cannabis (in moderation) is more damaging to your mental or physical capabilities that alcohol (in moderation) I can't really see the argument.

With the evidence "on the table at the moment", I'd be as happy to be sitting 20 rows behind (or preferably 2 rows behind ;) ) someone who used cannabis 2 days ago as someone who had 5 pints 2 days ago.

(not a commercial pilot, as the "handle" suggests, most of my "flying" has been at 10 feet above ground; apart from a couple of C152 flights, with no drugs, legal or illegal, in my system)

jayteeto
21st Apr 2006, 21:48
I couldn't drink 5 pints in a night!!

BDiONU
21st Apr 2006, 22:19
I've never flown an aircraft under the influence of drugs, alcohol included, but surely if you "like a drink", there's not really any big difference than having a "smoke" (I'm an expat working in a country where alcohol and cannabis are both illegal)

Unless you can come up with a specific medical argument that cannabis (in moderation) is more damaging to your mental or physical capabilities that alcohol (in moderation) I can't really see the argument.

[COLOR=blue]With the evidence "on the table at the moment", I'd be as happy to be sitting 20 rows behind (or preferably 2 rows behind ;) ) someone who used cannabis 2 days ago as someone who had 5 pints 2 days ago.
Despite the evidence of psychosis (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4052963.stm) being induced (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3561-1565337,00.html) by the use of cannabis (http://www.priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm)? I hope I never meet anyone in this industry who indulges in any of these mind bending illegal drugs.

BD

con-pilot
22nd Apr 2006, 00:13
I hope I never meet anyone in this industry who indulges in any of these mind bending illegal drugs.

Sadly I have. He was an ex-Navy pilot. Lost his license and ended up killing himself with an overdose.

He got mad at his boss on a trip, got drunk, stole the airplane (a Jet Commander) and flew back to home base solo. On the flight back he sat on the couch behind the cockpit drinking vodka.

acbus1
22nd Apr 2006, 07:10
Some pilot's (pilots'? pilots's? pilots?) would benefit from a bit of mind bending. With any luck it might straighten them out a bit.

candoo
22nd Apr 2006, 11:06
Con-pilot - that is truly sad, but indicative of what addictions can do to a person mentally.

Help should be available to everybody, regardless of status, at all times. Have lost my mother to an addiction and seen a few acquaintances succumb to outside influences.

Any drug - nicotine, alcohol, cannabis, caffeine, cocoa leaves, hairspray, lighter fuel....................all result in a change of consciousness. Some are better equipped to deal with it, but some take it to extremes.

The tale still makes me sad :{

ExSimGuy
22nd Apr 2006, 11:53
BDiOnu,

I did qualify my comments with "evidence on the table at the moment". It appears that there is quite a lot right there on the table that I had not seen!

Thanks for the links, very interesting and informative (good old JB!). Pity the "Times" one had a damned advert covering up one paragraph:hmm: .

Consider my opinion reconsidered:ok:

Quite an interesting thread over there on the Med Forum, but a pity it degenerated for a while on page 2

Good luck at work J2

BDiONU
22nd Apr 2006, 12:08
BDiOnu,

I did qualify my comments with "evidence on the table at the moment". It appears that there is quite a lot right there on the table that I had not seen!

Thanks for the links, very interesting and informative (good old JB!). Pity the "Times" one had a damned advert covering up one paragraph:hmm: .

Consider my opinion reconsidered:ok:

ExSimGuy you have earned yourself some kudos and smartie points for putting your hands up and openly admitting that you were in error :D If only more people were like you :ok:

Cheers
BD

Onan the Clumsy
22nd Apr 2006, 13:49
Too bad the thread started off withif you like having a go at liberal commie pinkosStill at least once the Rightie Haties (c) 2004 Caslance solidify their power we'll also be safe in the knowledge that our pilot hasn't also been dancing 2 days before the flight ;)

wint3rmute
22nd Apr 2006, 16:00
Despite the evidence of psychosis (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4052963.stm) being induced (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3561-1565337,00.html) by the use of cannabis (http://www.priory.com/psych/cannabis.htm)? I hope I never meet anyone in this industry who indulges in any of these mind bending illegal drugs.
BD

Just to highlight something... both the Masstricht and KCL studies stress that it is only a minority who are predisposed to psychosis as a result of cannabis use. Still a concern of course, it certainly suggests a higher proportion than, say, alcohol users suffering alcoholism and related diseases. But worth pointing out I thought.

ExSimGuy
22nd Apr 2006, 20:21
Just to highlight something... both the Masstricht and KCL studies stress that it is only a minority who are predisposed to psychosis as a result of cannabis use. Yes, I noticed that, but the numbers do suggest that the increase in risk is significant. Whilst car-drivers might be more dangerous with the suggested degree of increased risk, I would certainly opine that "drivers, airframe" are a bigger risk to the public should they succumb to the dangers that were posted above.
I think all pilots should come off drugs, go to church, and become homosexuals.. Not a bad idea to come off drugs anyway, they're welcome to join my Church (yes, even pilots!), but why should they become homosexuals? Are you suggesting that non-drug-users and Church-goers are necesarily homosexuals:confused: