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eman_resu
18th Apr 2006, 03:30
I was watching the TV last night and a particular holiday program had a segment where a widebody aircraft was filmed up the side, across the nose and then down the other side.

Now, by my reckoning that aircraft must have been moving at maybe 150knots upwards (it was clean, no u/c or flaps) so how did they manage to film around the nose, without being in another aircraft that can do 150kts sideways??

The picture seemed too stable to be on a long focus as well. You see this on adverts all the time, but this is the first time it struck me that the camera was moving in front of the aircraft being pictured....

So how is it done?

Onan the Clumsy
18th Apr 2006, 03:32
From the tail position of a B25

or

From a gyro stabilised camera pod hanging under a fast helicopter.

eman_resu
18th Apr 2006, 03:44
Thanks Onan, it looked too high for a helicopter, so I'll go for the B25 option.....

Which leads to me to a second question, would the RAF or USAF participate in filming exercises like this?

allan907
18th Apr 2006, 04:40
They might do if they had any B25s still on the inventory!

Solid Rust Twotter
18th Apr 2006, 05:48
Flew a DC3 for a Nescafe advert that was filmed using a camera with some kind of periscope lens in the belly of an AeroCommander. Got the same effect with us flying straight and level while the camera ship moved around us.

Never got to see the end result...

acbus1
18th Apr 2006, 06:17
Never got to see the end result...
Presumably, better Nescafe sales figures.

G-CPTN
18th Apr 2006, 06:29
Was it, perchance, a digital recreation? Aircraft companies produce publicity 'images' of future aircraft before they exist, some of which are extremely convincing in these days of electronic wizardry.

chuks
18th Apr 2006, 10:27
I read an article about this, featuring both a B-25 with a big hole at the back end and a Lear Jet with a little transparent globe sticking out the bottom that had a video camera inside.

I think the B-25 is based in California and does mostly still shots for these nostalgia-freak calendars featuring highly-polished warbirds, while the Lear does the action stuff for TV adverts where one can admire the beauty of some stonking great aluminium blob as it wafts its way over a cloudscape with a load of happy SLF. They seem to forget to show what the view down the back is, when everyone is sat cheek-to-jowl, knees up around their ears trying to open that miserable little plastic bag of groundnuts that passes for food.

Every so often one can read of a mid-air when semi-amateurs decide to do some filming. Flight International lost a crew that way and one Mr Basler of Turbo-DC-3 fame also ate the big enchilada. Then there was a recent crash when two Super Shoeboxes managed to share the same location.

Funny things happen when aircraft get into close proximity, so that caution is advised. The most formation flying I have done was on the end of a yellow rope behind a towplane, in this or that glider. That way I could chase him but never catch him.

Solid Rust Twotter
18th Apr 2006, 10:31
Did a lot of paradropping formation work but the DC3 ad was basically flying straight and level while the camera aircraft did all the maneouvring. NFP (me) also had head on a swivel keeping track of camera aircraft and updating FP constantly as to it's position and speed.

G-CPTN
18th Apr 2006, 10:39
Doing a 'show' which was being filmed, I was driving a test vehicle with instructions to keep going (around a circular test-track) until instructed otherwise. I lost sight of the helo filming us, and started to hear strange noises from my vehicle, wondering whether it was about to 'blow', then a shadow appeared over the windshield which was the helo a couple of feet above me, flying backwards so it could drop-down in FRONT of me and film the 'driver in his office'. I relaxed (as best as I could with no forward vision apart from a helo), until I realised from the side-views that we were approaching the road-bridge over the track. I knew that gesticulating wasn't on, nor would it be effective, and I was sweating when the pilot finally lifted over the bridge (still flying backwards at 80kts). The guy was a respected professional, but his luck ran out a couple of weeks later when he tangled with overhead power lines and perished.

jammydonut
18th Apr 2006, 11:07
Clay Lacy Aviation, Van Nuys, L.A.
Learjets with top & botton shooting ports shoot the majority of all airline PR material. Their credits also include most of the Superman and Starwars Features etc.
As most of the airliner footage is shot above FL200 is not likely be a rotary camera ship....:confused:

PTT
18th Apr 2006, 11:27
Clay Lacy Aviation, Van Nuys, L.A.
Learjets with top & botton shooting ports shoot the majority of all airline PR material. Their credits also include most of the Superman and Starwars Features etc.
As most of the airliner footage is shot above FL200 is not likely be a rotary camera ship....:confused:

They must have quite an advanced inventory :eek:

GearDown&Locked
18th Apr 2006, 11:44
chuks, have you seen this? (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1029821&WxsIERv=Nveohf%20N340-642&Wm=1&WdsYXMg=Fbhgu%20Nsevpna%20Nvejnlf&QtODMg=Wbunaarfohet%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%28Wna%20Fzhgf%29%20%28WAO%20%2F%20SNWF%2 9&ERDLTkt=Fbhgu%20Nsevpn&ktODMp=Ncevy%2010%2C%202006&BP=1&WNEb25u=Pneyb%20Qny%20Ovnapb%20-%20SyvgrMbarVzntrf&xsIERvdWdsY=MF-FAP&MgTUQtODMgKE=Jrypbzr%20gb%20gur%20FGNE%20NYYVNAPR.....gur%20 FNN%20jnl....%20MF-FAP%2CMF-FYO%20naq%20MF-FYR%5BPnaba%20300Q%5D&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=67948&NEb25uZWxs=2006-04-10%2015%3A08%3A19&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=426&static=yes&width=1024&height=780&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg_trarevp%20YVXR%20%27Nveohf%20N340 %25%27%29%20NAQ%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2 Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne %2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27% 2B%22fgne%22%20%2B%22nyyvnapr%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29 %29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=1030097&next_id=1021774&size=L) Talk about aircraft formation :E

GD&L

G-CPTN
18th Apr 2006, 11:47
http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/1/2/8/1029821.jpg
Do they do loops?

Solid Rust Twotter
18th Apr 2006, 12:41
SAA formation filmed using L-39 ZU-TEE.

chuks
18th Apr 2006, 13:08
just wait until someone runs the clip of the former New Zealand Air Force (now reduced, by their bunny-hugging female Prime Minister, to flying bicycles, I fear) doing a two-ship A4 Skyhawk formation barrel roll while plugged into the buddy refuelling drogue!

I don't know the statistics on this sort of thing but there's a long list of guys who ended up deceased doing v. impressive stuff, so that I prefer to leave that to the more highly motivated and/or skilled than me. I can swap paint while hangar-flying with no harm done, if I need to. Same as bench-racing, when 'The older I get, the faster I was.'

airship
18th Apr 2006, 13:46
These guys can do loops (http://www.thorntonaircraft.com/body/body.cfm?page_name=tele) for movies! Oh, those halcyon days... :{

acbus1
18th Apr 2006, 13:59
a two-ship A4 Skyhawk formation barrel roll while plugged into the buddy refuelling drogue!
Presumably, that's useful if you want to get e-e-e-e-every last drop of fuel out. :cool:

fleigle
18th Apr 2006, 15:02
This is also based in the LA area, at Chino. The Planes of Fame air museum is there. Its a great place to visit but the surrounding area has a lot of stockyards so is a little "phew-ey".
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AnEviltwinEr
18th Apr 2006, 15:08
I find this a bit better performance from South African:
http://images1.jetphotos.net/images/i/IMG_3370.JPG.82411.jpg

:D

GearDown&Locked
18th Apr 2006, 17:28
Based on what grounds AnEviltwinEr??

Is the 747-400 so much more difficult to "drive" in close formation? bah...
(BTW calling experts: how much flap are the seven-fours using?)

GD&L