Aptitude tests & Pilapt - Merged [Archive]

soviet bloc

22nd Feb 2006, 18:03

with respect to SITW that is completely untrue, I took computer based aptitude tests for a certain organisation and failed the lot. I simply made a decision that I would not let these b/s tests stunt my career. I spent the next 3 months finding books and visiting websites, and brushing up mental arithmatic etc. I went to take the tests again, and not only did I pass but I totally cleaned up.
Also when I was 16 I totally messed up the RAF tests, to the extent that they told me not to bother again, then 2 years later I passed them (but decided not to work for the government)
The SHL website is pretty good, also many books in the major shops, I used to be a poor student, so I'd buy a few, photocopy the relevent bits, take em back and then do the same a couple more times, also libraries are good and if you have access to one a university graduate service office usually have loads of stuff.

OK it's true that you either have apptitude or not TO AN EXTENT but that does not mean you can't train yourself to pass the tests, and with the same hard work and dedication become a successful pilot. Just depends how much you want it.
Those who say otherwise are usually exceptionally talented, and a certain amount of arrogance has led them to believe that the rest of the world are unable to improve themselved to a level which they are lucky enough to have naturally. all it takes is a decision. peace.
sb
Remember the only natural pilots were those who hatched out of an egg.

tailwheel76

22nd Feb 2006, 21:58

Try any good bookshop or Amazon and ask for mental aptitude books. As Spanner says you won't (probably) find anything airline specific but books like "How to win at Aptitude tests", Iain Maitland, at least get you in the right frame of mind with worked examples and loads of practice material. So when you're asked a long multiplication question you won't waste time racking your brains wishing you'd paid more attention in GCSE maths, or if you have to make a square out of 5 different pieces you'll have some method.

If you have an interview try and find out the type of test they use, that way you can do an internet search on it. Although you won't know or find the exact same questions at least you may be able to find the format. Every little piece of info to give you a heads up will help.

ANDRE25i

23rd Feb 2006, 06:05

Although initially a believer that aptitude test couldnt be "practiced" for; I proved myself wrong. I happened to pass the Qantas cadet pilot psychometric test; which is elusive for being difficult. With failure rates as high as 90%+; and the difficulty of obtaining a second chance; I bought myself a number of books to practice.
I found that the more I practiced; the more familiar I was with the genre of test; the quicker I went and more accurate I became.
The psychometric test I was given, encompasses a verbal test; numerical test, spatial test, and diagrammatic/commands test.
It is possible to study for the verbal, and numerical. The spatial on the other hand, can cause worries. I simply cut/folded up a box, and played around with it, viewing it from various angles, and tried to visualise objects from differing angles. (everyday items)
I developed a systematic number system which helped me in the diagrammatic/command test.
I read the newspaper, scanning all headlines, but in particular the business section, economy, major events, technical reports.... I also did lots of crosswords.... and looked at the dictionary..... This was beneficial with the verbal test; a lot.
For the numerical, I studied tables of data; the questions were primarily data interpretation and i found that after a lot of practice, all timed, that i developed familiarity with types of questions, that they were becoming repetitive!!!
However if one seeks to apply and qualify for a cadet programme; one must naturally be a high achiever at school, academically; and possess excellent health and fitness. In the end, its those that want it most that get it.

cheers, hope this sheds some light....:ok:

geordiejet

23rd Feb 2006, 09:50

I think prospects.ac.uk has a lot of guidance for them, and careers.ncl.ac.uk will soon add a section on the tests with some practice ones.

SpannerInTheWerks

23rd Feb 2006, 14:47

Apologises to some extent - I think our definitions of 'aptitude' are at odds?!

Mental arithmetic and written tests can be 'revised' for I agree. These are more 'intelligence' tests than 'aptitude' tests (such as the military tests you take to be assessed for your 'aptitude' to train as a pilot or navigator). In RAF terms you either have or haven't got the 'aptitude' to be pilot or navigator. No amount of revising will achieve that in their terms.

Anyway, let's not get bogged down - I wasn't trying to cause a stir!!!

I have always read books to prepare for interview and it is a good way to prepare - and instill some confidence in oneself during those difficult encounters at interview!

Cheers

SITW

manuel.stocker

24th Feb 2006, 11:23

I found a book "Der Pilotentest" which has a lot of information and tests. The examples in the book I met 1 to 1 in airline-interviews. But the book is in German.

ANDRE25i

25th Feb 2006, 08:32

Palpably what we associate as being aptitude tests; are merely ability tests. Thats what we mean; but who cares; we all get what is meant. Hopefully.
cheers

DragStrut

14th Apr 2006, 19:47

Does anyone have any experience of the two PILAPT preperation tests offered by www.cockpitweb.com and http://www.pilapt-prep.co.uk/??

I am about to attend CTC for assesment and would be very interested in anyones opinion about these products and their relevance to the actual PILAPT selection tests.

Thanx in advance for the replies :sad:

newbie008

14th Apr 2006, 19:53

pilapt prep would be suitable for ctc. I was going to purchase it and decided not to. I failed and damn well wish i had now! You only get one shot too

Sky Wave

14th Apr 2006, 20:32

I purchased both, because as newbie008 said, you only get one chance.

Pros and Cons

Pilapt Prep - has many of the tests that CTC use. The only downside is that it does not have a deviation indicator test or the trax (flying through boxes test.) The other downside with Pilapt prep is that it doesn't score you so it's difficult to judge your own performance.

Cockpitweb is very good however the hands game is much easier than Pilapt prep and CTC's, and it doesn't have the grid task, and the grid task (called concentration on pilapt) is very difficult. The other downside with cockpitweb was that I couldn't get the flying through boxes to work.

Unless money is no object I would recommend getting pilap-prep and using Microsoft flight sim to practice the joystick skills.

Be warned however the deviation indicator is extremely difficult to keep centred and at times I was at full joystick deflection and still I couldn't centre it.

Ringway004

14th Apr 2006, 23:05

Dragstrut, I bought the pilapt software from cockpitweb and I must tell you it's a must. I passed my aptitude selection at Cranfeild, and thanks to the software, i would really suggest ypu purhase it because not only are the tests similair but they improve your reaction times. I'd def get it!:)

DragStrut

15th Apr 2006, 10:22

Thanks all for the replies.

some excellent information realy appreciate it keep it coming...

think im swaying towards the PILAPT prep software cheaper and more people seem to be relating it to CTC selection.

Cheers

Dragstrut...:bored: :ugh:

king rooney

15th Apr 2006, 10:43

captwannabe

15th Apr 2006, 11:38

PILAPT tests your coordination skills, but they do not give a full indication of whether you are suitable or not to be a pilot. They don't measure the determination of a person to suceed. Many people have failed PILAPT but have become successful pilots. PILAPT is not foolproof!

These tests were never meant to be practiced. They are supposed to put you on the spot and see what you can do. If you perform reasonably well you should be accepted, but I suppose it is human nature to try to get ahead of the rest. Remember, most schools running these tests don't expect perfect scores, but expect you to show your NATURAL skills and ability to adapt to a situation.

On the other hand, buying these tests show initiative and determination, so what can I say.........???

bjkeates

15th Apr 2006, 11:47

In my opinion, anyone who feels a need to practice the pilapt tests in order to pass them is a charlatan. The whole point of the tests is to give a fair, unbiased reflection of someones aptitude for flying, taking into account the fact that it is the first time that someone has done it. If you practice before hand what do you achieve?
I agree. While I understand that people will do anything to help them fulfil their dreams, and admittedly there's nothing stopping people from forking out the money and practising these tests, you are giving yourselves an unfair advantage and, like King Rooney says, are deceiving yourself as to whether you're cut out for it. CTC pointed out at my stage 4 day that the hard work doesn't stop once you've finished the application - it's actually where the hard work starts. Deceiving yourself is only leaving yourself open to disappointment and possible financial distress later on, whoever you train with. Your ability to fly isn't going to be based on PILAPT tests alone, so if you haven't "got it", in the case of CTC it's going to show up at stages 3 and 4 anyway. You might be able to pass the PILAPTs with a bit of practice, but if you haven't got the natural ability and aptitude to learn to fly - which, after all, is what PILAPT is testing - then it's going to show up pretty obviously in the simulator ride. In terms of the amount of information you have to keep scanning, checking and reacting to all at once, the PILAPTs and the sim ride aren't too dissimilar. And on a similar note, if you think spending hours in front of MS Flight Simulator is going to prepare you for stage 4, or any sim check for that matter - forget it.

Seriously, if you're cut out for the job, you will pass the tests. I did without practising, and I've got on to the course. If you don't have the aptitude you're being tested for, then you will be weeded out later on in the selection and you'll have wasted all the time and expense of the repeated trips to the Southampton and Bournemouth. Be under no illusions as to how tough the whole selection procedure is, not just stage 2.

Having said all that, very best of luck with it - it's a great course.

EDIT: Just like to add this:

They are easy man! If you cant pass them then you are not cut out to be a pilot, simple as that.

No they are NOT easy - far from it in fact. Some people may find them easier than others, but they are by no means "easy", and quite rightly so. And demonstrating that kind of attitude shows exactly why some people are able to pass the PILAPTs but still aren't cut out for the job. :rolleyes:

DragStrut

15th Apr 2006, 17:37

To King Rooney & Bjkeates,

Before you go off on your high horse have you asked if i already have a licence?? NO you didn't

I have passed all my ATPL exams first time have a first time pass PPL CPL Multi and the IR you hold so dear !!!!! also completed a full jet MCC so have no worries about my flying ability thank you!! and if you would go to an interview without taking advantage of every avenue to ensure you are fully prepared then perhaps you two dont deserve to be givien jobs !!.....

Dragstrut:yuk:

bjkeates

15th Apr 2006, 18:11

Before you go off on your high horse have you asked if i already have a licence?? NO you didn't

I apologise if the tone of my post sounded like that in any way; it was not intended to. I was merely giving my opinions on the practice tests as I am entitled to do, having been through the real thing myself. You opened your post, however, in a tone which could possibly have suggested that you were applying for the Wings scheme and therefore may have had no experience whatsoever. If would have helped if you had made it clearer that you were applying for the ATP scheme. If you had suggested you had passed all your exams, then I'm sure nobody, myself included, would have commented on your flying ability. My comments were based on the assumption that you had little to no experience and were applying for the Wings scheme. I would also guess that King Rooney's slightly stronger comments were made with the same assumption in mind.

if you would go to an interview without taking advantage of every avenue to ensure you are fully prepared then perhaps you two dont deserve to be givien jobs !!

I didn't know they existed at the time of my interview; however, I'm still not sure I would have paid the extra money for them. I thought the whole point of the PILAPTs was that you weren't supposed to be prepared for them, however that is only my interpretation. In fact, at the Stage 2 presentation day we were actually told "there is very little you can do to prepare for stage 2". If, however, preparing for them is what you want to do, then go ahead and good luck with it.

Airliners737

17th Apr 2006, 14:03

Hi Guys,

Could you help me to find some books or sites with exercice about the aptitude tests to enter into a company.

Which kind of tests do they use ?
Some informations would be very nice.

Thanks a lot and have a good day.

Superpilot

9th May 2006, 21:39

Do you have A' Levels?

captwannabe

9th May 2006, 21:45

femaleWannabe,

If you want to do an aptitude test, I think you should go for GAPAN. All of these aptitude tests only give some indication of what your chances are of becoming a successful pilot. I had a good chat with a GAPAN representative, and he basically said if you are good at computer games, then you will have no problem with pilapt. The lower your hours, the better you are likely to do as you will "play the game" instead of "fly the plane". If you are determined, work hard, and have the right good attitude, then you have every chance of success.

Good luck! :ok:
captwannnabe

Superpilot

10th May 2006, 11:40

Hi,

I would recommend you apply for CTC anyway, failing that don't FTE offer one for a small fee, somebody??? You don't have to accept their offer to take you on if that's not what you want!

<Controversial Comment> GAPAN = SNOBBERY </Controversial Comment>

captwannabe

10th May 2006, 16:25

Forgot about FTE's aptitude tests. If they are still free, you can fly cheap with FR, London - Jerez.

newbie008

16th May 2006, 18:25

Has anyone used pilapt prep? Can you forward the software or not to other people??

ChocksAwayUK

16th May 2006, 18:35

When you buy it it is programmed with a code generated by your computer (you generate this and give it to the company before they send you the software). This means it can only be used on your computer, I think. When I tried to use my copy on a work computer I received a message along the lines of "This software is not licensed for this computer blah blah".

There may be ways round this. But I'd suggest you buy it as it is a great help... not quite sure where I stand in terms of morals and principal on this one though - it certainly gives you an advantage that you're not supposed to have.

Superpilot

19th May 2006, 14:19

I enquired about using PILAPT Prep on my work PC, they had me generate a code on the work PC and then sent me a new activation code saying they were satisfied with my explanation! :cool: Easily, the most useful aviation related software I've bought and I've bought many.

Jetstar Newbie

21st May 2006, 11:12

There is a company in Melbourne called PATS ( Pilot Aptitude Training Systems) . They got myself thru the Qantas process , and also dozens of my workmates over recent months. Specialise in the Qantas process which I guess is similar to BA aptitude tests, and in my view are excellent.

I don't know a whole lot about the Pilapt tests though, PATS have some sample questions on their website( www.******************) have a look to see if they are same.

Dondon

22nd May 2006, 00:41

i used this thing i got of ebay which described what would come up and how i'd go about it. it was alright to be honest. whatever one does, it's never like the real thing on the selection day. worth checking out on ebay if it's still up though.

Ballistic

22nd Jul 2006, 17:34

Hello people,

I just failed a PILAPT test at CTC and needed some advice. My first ever Pilapt but since PILAPT is used by most schools I'm trying to figure out if I am even Pilot material. What do you all have to say?

I haven't given up hope yet. I need support from those who were in a similar situation.

akindofmagic

22nd Jul 2006, 20:47

CTC's standard is very high. Remember that only 2-4% of people who apply get selected for the course. I remember being told at phase II that if you don't pass, it doesn't mean that you can't be a pilot. All it means is that you weren't good enough to meet their high standard. Pilapt is a test run by a computer that churns out a raw score; the score given by the computer is only of any use if it is interpreted by a person. i.e. The team running selection determines the pass mark, as it were.

Therefore, you may well have the raw ability to pass the selection tests of another FTO that has slightly less stringent standards. Don't give up; remember that there are plenty of excellent schools out there besides CTC.
Jamie

goodwxpilot

23rd Jul 2006, 09:30

It's not just the pass mark that changes between schools. They can also chose to weight the scores of each individual exercise differently.

At CTC they place a high weighting on the multi-tasking capacity test at the end. So if you didn't do well there, you may have suffered.

good luck

Artificial Horizon

23rd Jul 2006, 09:57

When I was a flying instructor one of my students failed the PILAPT test for one of the major schools and it hit his confidence as it has yours. I don't put to much credence in these tests as I can honestly say that he was the most naturally talented pilot that I ever had the pleasure to teach. He is now completing a sponsorship with another organisation and I am sure that he will enjoy a long and sucessful career. Give it another go, pass marks go up and down depending on requirements, average of those tested amongst other things. The only way you will know if you have what it takes to be a pilot is to get yourself down to your local airfield and have a trial lesson (if you haven't already). Get your hands on the aircraft and see how you feel. I have seen many people who were heart set on a flying career who just found that it did not agree with them. Try it out.

jamestkirk

23rd Jul 2006, 10:21

Ty given every answer as 'I have a cheque for £70,000 and it's yours Mr. OAT etc.'

I am sure you would get over the pass mark and they will love you like a long lost son (or daughter of course..I understand there are female pilots as well).

That is of course until the cheque is cashed and you will go back to being held in the same regard as a troublesome young offender.

Oh! the cynicism.

Jannik23

24th Jul 2006, 09:53

Hi

does anyone know if any of these programs/tests are similar to the ones PARC use for ther typerating assesement. Or does anyone have any info on what kind of test I would get exposed to ??

Jannik

Mister-Sheep

26th Jul 2006, 13:34

Hello everyone.

I did a compas test a short while ago and did extremely well. How much of an indicator is this of my probable performance in a pilapt test? What are the differences between the two?

Cheers

Mister-Sheep

Superpilot

26th Jul 2006, 13:57

I passed my first COMPASS, but failed my first PILAPT. To be honest with you my attitude towards the PILAPT's (i.e, they are a doddle I've done it ALL before!) was probably to blame. They were totally different and in my opinion more difficult than COMPASS, but you'll here people say the opposite.

Check your PM's

Mister-Sheep

26th Jul 2006, 14:26

OK thanks superpilot, that pm is extremely helpful.

Cheers

Mister-Sheep

planecrazy.eu

28th Jul 2006, 10:03

What are the main differences between Pilapt and Compass then, well a better question is, what do you have to do in the Compass test?

I have took a Pilapt test, so i know whats in that, the hardest thing i found in the whole test, well i think the only hard thing was, the countdown, takeaway thing, i kept loosing track.

pez1206

30th Jul 2006, 18:24

Whats the best software on the market for preparing for pilot assessments as well as testing aptitude?

Did a quick search on google and found a few for sale, but what do you guys recommend?

PEZ

likair

5th Aug 2006, 17:44

Hello there
searched a little bit regarding programs available for similar aptitude tests. Their respective info say that are somehow similar to some particular test done by FTE, CTC, Oxford etc...

but is there a particular approved Pilapt programs from where one can buy and download?

Thanks for you attention

Regards

planecrazy.eu

6th Aug 2006, 12:55

Well PilaptPrep will be the best if you are going to take the Pilapt tests, but i am not sure if it gives you a score. There are no approved ones as your not really meant to be practising these things. I think OAT use Compass, which is similar in parts, the parts where it is not similar are easy. I managed to get a go on a compass test, its easier that Pilapt. I had a few goes at Compass, got the same mark each time more or less, i only improved on the cross hair test, well the two moving dots.

sicky

7th Aug 2006, 13:04

The thing about pilapt prep is that it only seems to give you 5 applications, while there are a lot more, for example, on ctc's pilapt tests.

The grid doesn't seem to be their, nor the crosshairs, or the counting/crosshairs/coloured shapes

basically, the 3 hardest aren't there!

Cockpitweb is a bit to pricey for me

Superpilot

7th Aug 2006, 13:52

Grid is there but I believe there's no feedback implemented for it. It doesn't give you an indication of how good your doing. The others do.

As for the cross hairs test, I think anything other than THE original PILAPT Cross-Hair test is not worth practising on. Instead focus on your general hand-eye stuff.

sicky

7th Aug 2006, 14:38

I meant the grid one, where you have to spot the shapes amongst a load of lines and other shapes. You have a few minutes for that but i don't remember it saying you get a better mark the quicker you do it, but i'm sure you would.

femaleWannabe

7th Aug 2006, 16:23

so whats the general feeling, cockpitweb or pilapt prep?

Superpilot

7th Aug 2006, 16:29

Both are good in their own ways fW.

femaleWannabe

7th Aug 2006, 16:32

does cockpitweb have the same as pilapt prep, only with a few other tests?

DUB-GREG

7th Aug 2006, 17:26

Hi Everyone,

During conversation with a few guys who where on the assement day for Oxford.

I was told that it is possible to get the tests (computer based) on the web. Obviously im not looking for the excact tests but just something simular to keep my mind active before i go back to do them.

In the states they dont agree with them and they feel that flying skills can be learned! Which is something id like to think also, never the less i want to practice them.

Anyway, any help would be much appreciated.

Please post any web address or the like for links to the places i can buy on the web.

Cheer again and happy flying!

EIDW

sicky

7th Aug 2006, 19:11

I just bought pilapt prep, it's not too bad really but doesn't have the lot

FlightDeckDave

8th Aug 2006, 15:21

I bought Pilapt-Prep last night too, has 5 out of the 7 tests that we do for the CTC assesment. There aren't quite the same as the real tests but were what I expected after reading their website and the posts on this board. There really is no reason why the programs couldn't give you results for all the tests, and why they couldnt have compiled more than one test in to another just like they do on the assesment at CTC however I am sure that would then defeat the purpose of the testing on the day because some people would have an unfair advantage after practising. And its probably a money making scheme anyway because they make the program for Aviation schools and its more than likely that its a condition not to let the same program be available to the public?

However I can already see some improvement which suggests that you could be an excellent pilot even if you failed CTC Phase 2 assesement. I really don't think its just having a natural ability. I also managed to run 2 programs at once so if you want to make things more complex, and improve your multi tasking skills trying doing the decreasing number task at the same time as the flag exercise! Gets quite confusing! Just make sure you time the starts in the right places!!

femaleWannabe

19th Aug 2006, 07:20

I bought the cockpitweb ones... can anyone tell me how similar the "frames" (aka flying through boxes) is to the real thing? I'm really bad at it!! I can't seem to react in time, by the time I decide which way I need to go, it's too late. I'm wondering if it's to do with my joystick, I seem to need full deflection each way to move the box :}

300ER

19th Aug 2006, 07:48

Good to see you guys practising.

CPL_Ace

19th Aug 2006, 14:21

Okay, bought the pilapt package - because a good pilot should know that practice is compulsary- and got the 5 main tests. Where do I get the software to test my ability to fly through boxes(!!?) and the other one that Female Wannabe was talking about?

I've asked this on the CTC string too but - does anyone know any of the combinations that CTC use so that I can simulate the tests a bit more accurately.

Also any of any time parameters etc. This would allow any of us that bought the software to put it to the most effective use.
:8

kazmik

21st Aug 2006, 07:54

I read up most of the posts on the thread and all of you seem to be led by the general opinion that pilapt tests and compass tests are only about how well you perform on them. Well ive done them both, (compass at OAT & pilapt for FTE), and i think some of you are really missing the point here. I remember how much the FTE staff emphasized that it is no reason to worry if on the first of the 3 runs (like it ususally is) on any of the tests you failed to perform well. The reason for usually having 3 runs is like they said to see if a candidate can learn from the mistakes he made on the previous runs and become better. What they are looking for really is your capacity to learn.

Now I am not saying that practising might boost your performance on these tests, im sure it will. But if you go do the tests and perform at a stable (the max u can achieve rate) which u achieved by doing a lot of preparation they are not going to see the process of learning in the results which they are looking for. Its better I think to go in without any practise and show them that you can go from scratch to achieving top scores in the short period of only 3 goes at the thing.

I did this and I am travelling to england tomorro for the GB airways / FTE scheme's phase 4 interview. So i guess i must have done ok. and I can assure you people i didnt get top runs on any of the tests on the first go but did improve my performance every run. I think that is what counts.

So hopefully this eases some of your minds out there and you can now go in to the tests more relaxed. Just go to the tests , be yourself, and do the best you can do, and you have nothing to worry about :)

That is my advice to you.:ok:

TruTh747

21st Aug 2006, 08:35

I agree with you Kazmik and i got through to phase 4 but i pulled out of the scheme to to gaining a place at CTC.

For the numerical reasoning, maths tests etc you have to practice. I have not used a calulator or done these types of maths for more than 5 years after leaving university so i bought the numeracy thing from cockpitweb and practiced. This served me in both assessments. They helped me get in the right frame of mind. Also i purcahsed the apptitude tests and practised like hell and i was 8,9,9 on the crosshairs and 10, 10, 10 on the flying through boxes that day. Man with the hands was very easy after i used the software. All i needed was 1 sec to decifer which hand was wot. I probably would not have had the same result if it was the first time i was seeing these tests if i did not practice.

On crosshairs if you see a person with 2, 5, 8 or 9, 10, 10 who would you pick?

Remember its a combination of the interview, apptitude and pilapt!

By the way my dad is a pilot for a well known british airline for 30 years and i sat him down and asked him to do the tests and lets just say his results were pooo.

good luck...:ok:

CPL_Ace

21st Aug 2006, 14:44

Wouldn't it be lovely though - if you knew what was coming and could take some action to make sure it wasn't a surprise. You know, take the edge off your anxiety at being faced with a difficult situation and thus perform/improve, with slightly smalller sweat patches under your arms. ;)

betty123

30th Aug 2006, 13:43

Can anybody help me find sites where i can practise aptitude tests such as those that would be set during interview for pilot training? Thanx

njptvr

13th Oct 2006, 12:06

Hey All
Can anyone who has taken this test recently remember if you keep the cross bar centred by moving the joystick in the direction of the deflection or the opposite direction ie do you....
a. move right to correct a cross hair movement to the right or
b. move left to correct a cross hair movement to the right?

Thanks for your help! NJP

ChocksAwayUK

13th Oct 2006, 12:10

I can't remember - but I do remember a thread in which someone asked the same question resulting in pages of discussion and conflicting answers. You might find that if you search.

Hope that helps! :ok:

Superpilot

13th Oct 2006, 12:15

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=222045&highlight=cross+pilapt

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2532458&highlight=cross+pilapt#post2532458

ChocksAwayUK

13th Oct 2006, 12:45

and..

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2453904&highlight=pilapt+left#post2453904

njptvr

13th Oct 2006, 12:53

thanks guys. tried searching but clearly not with the right words!!!

FO JimmieJames

13th Oct 2006, 22:05

Hi,

I am trying the countdown test and boy oh boy, does it do my head in!!!:bored: Has anyone done this test for real. What I want to know is what is the time gaps between each number in the actual test used by training organisations? I am finding the 3 second gap too much. I need at least 5 seconds before I can make any head way!
Man after passing my IR and CPL and ground exams first time, I didn't know that what you actually need to beable to get a job as a pilot is to be able to subtract numbers very quickerly. :confused:

Rj111

14th Oct 2006, 23:00

I've never done the test. But perhaps practise subtracting a certain number untimed first. Like starting at 900 an subtracting 7 continually in your head. When you get used to the sequence try another number. Then do it timed.

Daisy-Florence

23rd Oct 2006, 20:43

Hello all!

I've recently applied to OAT and Cabair for integrated training (hope to start August/September 2007 after my degree). In August I did the skills assesment at Cabair, and then hoped to do OAT a few days later... The Cabair test was a little bit of a disaster, I passed the Physics and Maths, but upon PILAPT--- oops! Pattern recognition was ok, as was a few others... but my overall score was 'Low' at a 3... In particular... the little aeroplane flying through the hoops was a grand ZERO. Taking this into account, and also being told that the Oxford one was going to be harder- I postponed the Oxford until Christmas.

I've re-applied to try again for Cabair at Christmas too.

So... In light of my previous failures, does anyone have any advice on what I can do to best prepare myself for future tests? I was told to do flight-sim on my PC with joystick.. and this is coming along ok.

I was told somewhere that you either have the skills or you don't. I want to ignore that, I really do!

Thankyou all,

Daisy x x x

cher

24th Oct 2006, 08:59

hi.. can anyone tell me what's the diff between COMPASS and PILAPT? I went for the COMPASS by RSAF but the name of the software used was PILAPT.. COMPASS stands for computerised aptitude selection system right??

g1344304

18th Mar 2007, 20:48

Is this any good? Seems a rip off for only five goes:

http://www.pilapt-prep.co.uk/

PlaneHomerS

19th Mar 2007, 08:07

I bought it and the cockpitweb thingy... passed Jerez, CTC, & Cabair's assessment with flying colours...:ok:

boogie-nicey

19th Mar 2007, 10:30

PlaneHomerS, with the cockpitweb do you get unlimited attempts or is it restricted in any way.

Also does with really helpful or just a bit of familiarisation? BTW good to hear of your success at the FTOs :ok:

PlaneHomerS

19th Mar 2007, 10:47

Unlimited attempts and this is the same with the pilapt-prep too. They really emulate the actual tests :)

One warning:

FTE know about these tests and consequently changed the deviation indicator to suite. For example normally with their deviation indicator you have to turn into the deviation to centre the cross-hair but when i did it this was not the case. They changed it to the way cabair does it in which you had to move the joystick opposite to the direction of deviation to centre the cross-hair. Luckily cockpit web had both so i was used to both ways of doing things.

The pilapt prep and cw were no use to me during the oxford assessment. The only thing that comes remotely close is the following:

http://www.nitex.nl/projects/ipas2/application.php?lf=DIRECT

BTW good to hear of your success at the FTOs :ok:

Cheers m8, but i have decided to take the modular route in and save some cash for a type rating (if needs be).

Good luck...

+Phs :ok:

mattd2k

19th Mar 2007, 11:01

g1344304

It is for 5 applications, ie programmes, not 5 goes.

I have used pilapt-prep and found it very usefull.

planecrazy.eu

19th Mar 2007, 11:33

I have both...

Cockpitweb is by far the best i found, its the most expensive too. But the deviation is good, but as said, they keep chaning the deviation tests, unless deviation tests are done randomly from reverse and normal axis tests because i have done one of each now, but stupidly practised for the wrong one on my last attempt.

Make sure you set your joystick to the most sensative mode possible, as the FTE joystick is on steroids, its so so sensative, where as the Cabair joystick you need to rip it out the socket in some cases.

Compared to the costs of Aptitude tests and the whole flight training scheme, then £50 and £25 are pennys...

g1344304

19th Mar 2007, 11:39

cheers for the info guys! I will definatly get at least one. So it is fairly unanimous that cockpit web is better? They seem like some of the tests are different whil some are similar. I have done the IPAS one and got just below 5000 (all goods, no excellents :(, but no satisfactories:))

I know it is probably illeagle but could myself and a freind split the cost, one of us buys it and passes the program to the other?

early_bird

28th Mar 2007, 23:08

Greetings fellows! :)

For those of you who have taken the actual Aptitude tests; how did your scores compare with those gained on the cockpitweb pgm.? I'm particularly interested in the Cabair tests. What 'levels' are most similar to the tests carried out at Cabair?
Also whats the order and weighing of the tests at Cabair?

Basicly I'd like to know how I'd do based on the results from the Cockpitweb pgm.:rolleyes:

At the moment I'm getting:

Suitcase - 100% @ 18.8 sec.
Hands - 100% @ 9.9 Sec.
Friend or Foe - 100% @ 21.4 Sec.
Subtraction - 100% (15/15) @ 128.2 Sec.
Radar Screen - 4/10 (difficult level) (I'll have to work on that one!)
Basket - 50.3 on 3rd go
Moving Cross - 61 @ level 2 on 3rd go
Cross Bar - 93 @ level 2 on 3rd go
Frames - 19/21 @ level 2 on 3rd go
Shapes - 100%
Numbers - 100% (10/10)
Shapes & Numbers - < It's getting late :E >

Thanks guys.:ok:
Awaiting you replys,
CY