Air Asia / MAS

[ExMAS]

Latest news following the rationalisation plan is for Air Asia to take over 19 domestic trunk routes and same number for MAS. No more subsidy from the government for MAS so looks like the playing field is levelling out.

Mention was made of MAS getting rid of 19 aircraft and possible retrenchment for 6500 staff.

First Half ------ Tony Fernandes 1 Idris Jala 0

[essentialbus]

No, it's the other way around, click link below
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/National/20060328081909/Article/index_html
As for half time I would say, TF 5 - IJ 0 ( plus 3 yellow cards) :ouch:
Regards
E.B.

[beyondexpectations]

:bored: looks like business as usual boys!:zzz: routes are pretty much the same with the exception of R.A.S. over in SSB ops

the question would be how it affects the pilots? more importantly, do the 22000 employees believe they are going to make a profit out of this version of W.A.U.?

It is strange that top management do not see procurement department as a problem. Nothing's been mention about people in charge mismanaging business contracts on behalf of MAS.

Well, so be it...good luck Idris! Hope you will be able to separate the 'MASboleh' ties that corrupted good business practices once upon a time in the company.

[fhchiang]

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[The Rage]

The prob with all u AK boys, that u guys once in a while have to look down and see what really happens out side the box and not just always rally behind tony. In this instance Ton'y is going to end up being the big loser.
RAS has been a full subsidised fleet by the sarawak gov, only the cost of the seats, they dont pay the salaries and maintainance cost that go with running the fleet. And Tony would be taking over the F-50's, why? Does he not know that these are the most expensive aircraft to maintain and run today. For a lcc, u minimise cost and one of the ways of doing it is by having a common a/c type, u dont go out and start running a whole different type of aircraft, your cost just sky rockets.
Mas on the other hand get's to run and maintain a/c and routes that they know are the one's that can and would make money plus he gets rid of the fokkers and the otters and all the extra baggage that comes with it! 6500 in total. (something that should have been done long ago)
So to me IJ is one up and for once tony has made a big mistake, and i pity the guys who advised him in doing so. Good luck tony and thanks.

[QNH1013]

The Rage,
Hmm, your quote "The prob with all u AK boys" I take exception to :cool:
No rallying behing Tony indended by this post but Tony is a pretty smart Business man and better at it than you and I put together me thinks.
But I think we are smart too and that being because we will one day soon end up flying at a better paid place than MAS and Air Asia salary for any fleet put together :ok:
I'm sure you have your plans...I certainly have mine.
MAS now gets to do what they like with the Domestic and surely they will now do better with their own business management for the premium market for domestic travel in Malaysia to make money.
But anyway what this plan means for Tony exactly;
1. End of subsidies to MAS domestic. MAS will have to generate profit
from its own turnover. For routes that are not
making money, MAS will have to withdraw or cut back the capacity or raise
fares. They can no longer engage in low fares just to hurt AirAsia.
2. Market segmentation. MAS will not be allowed to price
below their full fares. They are allowed to increase their full fare in
Economy up to 30%. Their Business class fares will also be raised. This
means that MAS, due to the pricing strategy will focus on the premium market
and AirAsia will focus on mass market principally to itself. In addition,
there will be no more Supersavers, no more Student Fares, no more Group
Fares and Holidays package fares.
3. AirAsia has free access to any routes in Malaysia with
no control on capacity.
4. AirAsia will operate Senai Hub in totality. MAS will
not operate any flight from Senai to any point except the KL-JB route.
5. AirAsia have exclusivity on 96 routes where MAS will not
compete.
6. AirAsia will take some of MAS' staff, no aircraft, and will
provide MAS with some inter-connectivity.
7. AirAsia will start hubs in Kuching and Kota Kinabalu.
8. On the Rural Air services, AirAsia will help manage the
Rural Air and Fokker 50 services. Air Asia will subcontract this service
to 3rd party. This will NOT come under the AirAsia brand. AirAsia WILL BE PAID for managing the service and the Government will FULLY SUBSIDISE these flights.
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The rationalization has already started and Supersavers are gone. MAS will
begin to cut back some capacity and they will start removing special fares
and increase fares. Therefiore MAS will fly profitably with Domestic and the public benefit from the low fares on more routes with AK
Lots of Fun for both sides then. Question is, what is the East Malaysia based MAS guys deal going to be? I certainly hope that even under a different company the F50 and Twin Otter guys will still be given opportunity to progress to MAS mainline.
Happy Landings to you and all :)

[beyondexpectations]

Hmmm...does this mean the sultans can now handpick Air Asia pilots to fly em n their entourages? Oh wait, MAS still flies to Kota Bahru...:hmm:

[Chill]

TF didn't want RAS. It came as part of the deal. The sleeze can't have his cake and eat it too. You can tell how he's so smug about winning the battle against MH but brushes off the RAS aquisition with "it won't be our problem". Sucked in I say :ouch: The Govt and AK might be ganging up on MH, but at least there is a small measure of justice in the deal. But MH better watch out, first domestic and then..... international :eek: TF will try to stick it into MH in the same fashion just you wait. Wonder what kind of spin AK can put on what will probably be the worst paid longhaul LCC pilots and cabin crew in the world :suspect:

Pity the guys in RAS though, future must seem a little shaky or maybe they'll get the "come and fly the A320" carrot dangled in front of them and get bonded up to their eyeballs :{ At least those guys (if they come to AK) will already be used to walking long distances to their aircraft rain, hail, or shine!!! Whoever thought stepping onboard the aircraft looking like a drowned rat was being professional :*

[icemanfx]

A John Lennon and Paul McCartney concert but who are John and Paul?

:cool:

[MAStake]

The worst paid long haul LCC pilots and cabin crew in the world???? It sure didn't look that way when the interviews were going on.

And the word is out that they have stopped taking in applications for now because of the influx of MAS retirees and jobless expats. And don't forget the impending arrival of MAS pilots who will be retrenched with the rationalisation plan.

The salaries may not be on par with CAL, EVA, KAL and European and North American airlines but then neither is the cost of living in Malaysia, which is where the crews are based. There are no overnights on any of their flights and everyone gets to go home at the end of the day (albeit a long one.)

I guess TF has offered an out to those who want to start off and maybe later move on to mainstream flying. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to move to major airlines and for those who harbour such ambitions Air Asia is an excellent starting point. Salaries are good by Malaysian standards and unless you indulge in caviar and dom perignon everyday you can expect a comfortable lifestyle.

TF has, I believe, more business sense than most of us, and in pursuing his dream has provided opportunities to the wannabees and newbies.

And, NO, i'm not a pilot with Air Asia.

[essentialbus]

Trouble ahead for MAS. Click link below.
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=189015
Regards
E.B.

[PIPE RIDER]

so what's next??? pilots leaving MAS for Airasia,,,nah, for less money? what is the pay for a 320 capt. on Airasia? Isn't it almost the same as a senior F/O on MAS? if this is the situation, I don't see it happen

[lowprofilepilot]

Sounds a little like Jetstar Aus and Qantas........:}

[Rule35]

Pipe rider....

i think you are right in the $$ being almost the same...which would make what you say true about MH FOs leaving for AA BUT those with any foresight would go for it because at the end of the day it is command and for these folk, AA is not their final destination.
For those who think for only the present..........they will have the same thoughts as you.

fhchiang,

did you not just go for an interview for MH?Do you think it is a good idea to make comments on the MD of the company you WISH to join?

[fhchiang]

fhchiang,
did you not just go for an interview for MH?Do you think it is a good idea to make comments on the MD of the company you WISH to join?

yes.. point taken..

i apologise... realise i said something i shouldn't

[Fair.Pilot]

Good boy!
It doesn't matter how many mistakes you made, what really matters is you admit it!
I can see the potential in you.....

[7sex7]

:yuk:

fair pilot...you agree with making mistakes?how about this boy,cut off your start levers at 1000ft and later apologizing for it?this good boy has been making so many mistakes in order just to make it to be a pilot...

he needs to grow hahah...

fhchiang,did u got your eyes fixed?you are too eager to become a pilot...it is not theee best job of the world...keep trying...how many psycomotors have you gone to?54 maybe?and I dont think you can get to MH with those kind of eyesights...you are better off on ground dude...

this is just an advice

[MAStake]

Here's a bit more advice fhchiang, take it in the spirit it's given.

Keep on plugging. There'll always be people who will give you the negative side of every argument. But in all my years of flying I've met only very few pilots who continue to have the passion they displayed initially. That is not to say they are not good pilots. Disillusion sets in, sometimes earlier, sometimes later. It takes a very determined person to continue on the chosen path.

We all make mistakes. But it takes a man to recognise the mistake and to correct it. Well done!

[7sex7]

mastake,

i think you havent really followed this guys thread...he is just a kid,trying to sound like he's been in airlines for ages....some mistakes can be costly mastake,and as a pilot..its a no no no...pilots co pilots are the to prevent mistakes,hence the 2 pilots operation/multi crew..

fhc,hey...why dont you try to go in as a private guy?They wont need an psycomotor I guess...and how about SQ as well,they wiiilllll like smart kiddies like you...

gud luck..

[7sex7]

tats impresive fhc,,,well,to tell you the truth...im nowhere near you man...:}

and I know non of those capts or fos that you have mentioned before....

I really hope you will get all the jobs you want..SQ MH AA,and maybe a call from the sheikh of EK....and by the spirit you are showing,looks like you will be a capt by 500hrs on type..

[flightleader]

Some funny old man with tons of jet hours playing with a kid?:= :=

[satumare]

7SEX7, chill bro!

I ve been following this guy's thread for many a month. What you said 'bout him is true.

Maybe we just ignore him,maybe he will go away but become an aviator he will never. Poor guy,may his soul dwells well in his body.

Cheers

[Rule35]

Its funny how one can see the likes of this one will turn out to be........

fch,

Stop on the path, make a U turn, go back to the beginning,grow up then try again..............

[MAStake]

Rule35,7sex7,
I do not intend to start a flaming war. It's my way of encouraging young aspirants. If my method does not agree with yours then I bow to your superior method.

Have flown 18000+ hours mainly on 3/4 engine jets. Will be retiring soon but wish to see enthusiastic young guys get the break that I did. fch has made some outrageous posts but that doesn't mean he won't learn and be a good pilot. I would rather have a smartass co-pilot than a smartass captain.

[7sex7]

fhc,

you kept on proving that you are still a kid...

the rest...satumare plse comment...we were all in your shoe once...but were not that kiddish laa...if you really want to be a pilot....go and open the books man,rather than just browsing this website...remember this is just a RUMOUR network...

Get some basic knowledge first,then you can really understand wats going on here...rather than trying to learn everything from here.

I can see you are really motivated,MASTAKe 's advice is good,but to become a pilot...an fATPL alone is not enuff...you need a lot of sense...a lot of feeel...this is not a job for bookworms with 2 inch glasses.

Passing MISPA isnt about how smart you are....its more about logical thinking...from your writeups,I can see you jump into a lot of conclusions....thats a disaster in making for pilots,write based on facts n not feelings...

IDRIS JALA's name might be funny...but,its not for you to make fun of...wat else to say he might be your future boss.And if you feel its funny,plse keep it to yourself...he is there to save a ship that has sunk long ago...

[Rule35]

Nuff said gentlemen......there is no point :{

MAStake,

No flaming war intended but i just dont see the point with this one.......18000++ hours, believe me i have learnt from many of those and much much more with thanks......


I would rather have a smartass co-pilot than a smartass captain.

:rolleyes: :confused: :} Really??????

[satumare]

fhchiang

Your two previous posts sounds like you are still bitter.
If a wise and older man points out our mistake,a good young wise man to-be will take it gracefully.
He will say sorry gracefully and try to make himself a better person.
If one's dad give good advise,one will rethink his action and improve on it.
One will not try justify his past action after he say he is sorry.
In a Crude way,after saying you are sorry after which do no say anything else.
A person at 19 may have all the future with him. Do not bust it.

[babyboeing400]

agreed,what are we to old-timers who have tons of jet hours under their belt..learn from whatever that can be learned and move on..:ok:

[emilio69]

aiyoo... and what was this thread all about.. :confused:
Just a bit of advice mr FHC...there are guys on these threads who have seen it all...the good and the worse of times in aviation.Being a smart aleck won't help,more so when you are just starting in this profession.Making fun of IJ who is trying to clean up and turn around your future employer(maybe) is i feel,a big no-no.Btw,before you start asking who the hell am i,well,i was with MAS for a paltry 14 years before i saw the light....
All i hope for is that IJ gets the proper people to get the job done to turn around mas,and also get rid of the idiots which have been hanging on too long doing bugger all for the company.
If after all the changes and the turn around does not come,well,my old friends,you can always come to another place which you will always keep discovering or even see how we shine....:E :ok:...or is it now be treated as a guest??

[jmerc]

hi fh chiang n 7sex7
u guys r displaying typical old school pilot mentality
before the advent of CRM.
come on....
7sex7..wit ur experience n wisdom, why take any serious notice
of a young hot head.
fh chiang..unless u change ur ways..ur gonna be one unhappy
copilot or a long time.. n after that probably a bitchy capt
ur gonna have to deal wit people u have to wok wit criticising ur actions n ways on a daily basis reagardless whether it is justified or not.
u sure u wanna be a pilot???

co-pilot

[Thermal Image]

fhchiang

You are all of 18 years old, seriously myopic, smart alecky and disrespectful. It's alright to not know a lot about aviation at your age. But to mask your insecurity with a cocky attitude is downright stupid, even suicidal.

Being on this board for almost 2 years does not make you a pilot.

You still know jack **** about flying.

And worse still, you have no respect for those you will come into contact with.

If you don't already know, working in Malaysia, most of the time getting along with your seniors is more important than knowing how to do your job.

You have none of the above 2 skills. How long do you think you will last once you become a second officer?

And lastly, I hope for your sake that fhchiang is not any part of your real name. If it is, you are really screwed.

Good luck.

[fhchiang]

fhchiang
And lastly, I hope for your sake that fhchiang is not any part of your real name. If it is, you are really screwed.
Good luck.


i'm screwed hahahaha

what most of you say are reasonable and true. i will definately buck up on that.

i have nothing against anyone who tell me something reasonable and advice me............

but i hate it when someone FLAMES... you see, giving advice and flaming is DIFFERENT... i hope some of you could understand this....

what i am not happy previously was 7sex7 just kept flaming and never actually point out where's the problem.. he just kept flaming.. and i am left in the DARK over and over again .... get what i mean?.............just read up.... what 7sex7 has posted before is all flaming.... did he actually said something useful(this is what i'm not happy about)? if only had he not flame and give ACTUAL advice.... i wouldn't have counter-flame him........

maybe it's us human..... when there's a fight.. it's ALWAYS the new kid who started it........ well.. if this is true,i can only apologize.

as a matter of fact, i don't have any dicipline problem in school nor at college, i respect my teachers and take their advice......
i think the main difference is that my TEACHER did not FLAME.

to capture one's heart and respect, you need to be good with words....

[flightleader]

to capture one's heart and respect, you need to be good with words....
:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:
GO HOME TO YOUR MUMMY FOR THAT!!
Noone need to capture your heart,you're lucky to get advises online FREE!!Earn it like a man,with dignity,professionalism and mostly a good online attitude since we don't meet in person.In the real world,we've to take critiscism,flames even insult with cool head.Moreover,in aviation. I remembered one old timer asked me this when I was his copilot: "If i was shot in the head and my brain splatted all over you,just ignore me and land the plane safely". Now what so big deal with a bit of flamming?:confused:

[fhchiang]

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:
I remembered one old timer asked me this when I was his copilot: "If i was shot in the head and my brain splatted all over you,just ignore me and land the plane safely". Now what so big deal with a bit of flamming?:confused:

What has this got to do with flaming??

that sounded to me as quite true, After all,pilots are suppose to protect the lives of every passenger on board inlcuding cabin crews.......
if i was told that.. i don't feel insulted at all..... so why relate it to flaming?

I will be very reasonable to people who are reasonable... BUt i WILL TRY to be reasonable to people whom are not.....

i know i'm very unpopular here.... but i will still strive to get my message across.

"what some of you said about me is true and i appreciate for pointing it out."

yes, making fun of IJ's name is not correct...more so if i'm thinking of joing his company...and i'm really sorry for THAT.....

"But i just couldn't agree with flaming and insults".....during your early days,did u get INSULTS or FLAMING from your captains? OR you get GOOD Advice, and Constructive Criticism from them?

A PILOT with Professionalism WOULDN'T RESORT TO Flaming and Insult.....
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"you're stupid, you're worst than a XXX, get outta here " (this is insult and flaming and Pointless CRITISCISM)

"please buck up....... you should do this that this that........ hope you don't repeat it next time"(this is some advice and some constructive critiscism)

I hope some of you can see the difference between those two statments
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IF i'm close to retirement and tell u guys that, FLAMING and INSULT is not the right way, would the reaction be different?

Or had I not Counter-Flame Against 7sex7(all yer buddys) Would the reaction be different when i tell u guys INSULT and FLAMING is not correct

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i realise that after this post.. i will be even more unpopular.. but i guess it can't be help.... i just need to point out something...