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Roadster280
22nd Mar 2006, 21:49
At the risk of starting WW3, in an idle moment, something occurred to me.

Since the RN dispensed with catapults, arrestor hooks, traditional FJ ac etc over 25 years ago, it occurs to me that apart from the very oldest officers and senior rates, there's no experience at all in the RN of this type of operations. Even if there were any such people left in the Navy, they would have been chocolate frogs back then anyway.

Obviously bringing in any new equipment involves a training requirement, but in this case, it is a whole new category of operations, a bit like the first helicopters must have been. How did we do that?

So if the decision is taken to catapult equip the new carriers, how on earth do we address the training requirement? No experienced staff to learn from. No procedures to be adapted. Seems to me we could only bastardise foreign (read US) practices. Who may well use different aircraft, and certainly different ships.

Even the RAF, who have "some experience in traditional FJ operations" have none in doing the same at sea.

Serious question, although I obviously realise that it could possibly prompt some mudslinging. Not my intention, I'd genuinely like to know how we are planning to address this. No slight intended on the Harrier/Sea Harrier.

Michael Edic
22nd Mar 2006, 22:03
Incidentally RN sponsored medical students are being approached and offered a career path designed to encompass flying training alongside medicine with a view to them beign av med specialists on board the new carriers leaving them dually qualified as docs and pilots.

LFFC
22nd Mar 2006, 23:42
Incidentally RN sponsored medical students are being approached and offered a career path designed to encompass flying training alongside medicine with a view to them beign av med specialists on board the new carriers leaving them dually qualified as docs and pilots.
Michael....

That used to be common practice in the RAF, but I think the last one left to join the airlines over 10 years ago!

Roadster.... Isn't that what Test Pilots are for?

4Greens
23rd Mar 2006, 06:42
Head up displays make it much easier to land and modern navigation aids etc make life a lot easier. The problems may well be more on the deck handling side of things.

scottishbeefer
23rd Mar 2006, 07:18
There was a (regular) CVF capability conference a few weeks ago. All these issues are well known and each has a work-strand attached. We will use US and French experience to breed our "new" carrier aviators, as well as hopefully improving a few ideas with some of our own. The FR in particular operate CDG very effectively - it's not all US-centric.

There are always a few Brits on exchange abroad with conventional carrier operators, so a nucleus of experience is always there.

We are still continuing with the STOVL plan, and we've got the world's deepest experience of those ops. Don't believe everything you read in the papers - the Yanks are still committed to the JSF and so are we. The main issues are in how to operate/integrate this new UK strike capability, not particularly how to get the jets on/off the deck.

Believe it or not - the UK MOD/RN/RAF wallahs aren't completely stupid and have actually put vast amounts of thought into the introduction of the new CVF/JSF. No doubt stuff will go off-track from time to time, and no doubt some schmuck will stand up to criticise from a poorly informed, layman's soapbox.

It's true to say that a modern carrier jet is relatively less demanding to operate (ask the US jet mates about the "Quality Spread" of pilots between F14/18s etc), but it's still no walk in the park - especially at night.