op herrick lynx?

[laughingboy]

what exactly is the lynx bringing to the party in afghanistan? discuss

[SubdiFuge]

:eek:

A taxi service from Bastion to KAF for 1/2 pax max - Cus that's all it will be able to do.

[wg13_dummy]

Better than walking or driving isnt it?

[airborne_artist]

How else are the troops going to get their pizza delivered? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4245723.stm) :ok:

[laughingboy]

at least you can walk and drive at 40 deg C at 3,000ft! :ok:

[laughingboy]

a 9" pizza might be possible for budgie the helicopter but a 12" with garlic bread is beyond the max payload :)

[WIWOWessex]

They're in Afghanistan for the same reason that they're in Iraq.. Despite the fact that they can't lift a small fairy cake, at night, with a 25kt wind, the Army big wigs cannot stand to see a "JHC supported op" without sending the Teeny Weenies in. I suppose if one of the Chinooks goes down with some chips on a mag plug, the Lynx could always bring a new plug out!!!

[KENNYR]

Something has to carry the spare parts out to God knows where, to fix the Apaches and to ferry the pies out to the Chinook crews:)

[laughingboy]

A lynx couldn't lift one pork pie, never mind enough to resupply the Chinny boys!
I hope you Andover defence force boys enjoy taking the Colonels and their packed lunches out to Helmund!

[Anton Meyer]

whatever it's bringing to the party, I hope it is worth it and the crew fly safe. Good luck and safe home to all the guys flying over there.

[wg13_dummy]

Must be an absoloute nightmare flying a bus from A to B with scant regard for the tactical situation. Ops normal for the SHF. :rolleyes:

[SubdiFuge]

Hear-hear Anton.

[neilk]

It never ceases to surprise me how little the light blue side understand capabilities of other parts of the forces.probably why nobody likes you!


As for load...............pork pie!


Ha

[laughingboy]

Ah, the barmy army have found their voices.

The only joint aspect in JHC is the cling-on AAC trying desperately to take their share of the plaudits for all the hard work that the SH, and to an extent, the Jungly fleets are involved in around the world.

[KENNYR]

Come on folks, give the AAC a break! Remember that the Army Air Corps main task was to find large Russian convoys of armoured vehicles then call in armed helicopters (Scout[with SS11 missiles], then laterly Lynx[with TOW]) to destroy said convoys.

Now that there is no real threat from the East the Army Air Corps have had to redefine their role. What this role is has yet to be understood. The Lynx is useless in any climate other than a European climate at sea level, the Gazelle is going to the knackers yard without being replaced and the Apache has yet to be tried and tested in an operational environment since waste-o-space got their sticky mitts on it.

So, come on, lets see what transpires in Afghanistan then we can all either praise the concept or pull it to shreds. All this backstabbing is an exercise in futility.

[WIWOWessex]

Must be an absoloute nightmare flying a bus from A to B with scant regard for the tactical situation. Ops normal for the SHF. :rolleyes:

A 'bus' that has proved itself time and time again in a whole range of theatres and without which the Army (bless their little cotton socks) could not operate!!
:D :\

[wg13_dummy]

Tail wagging dog then? Support Heli Force.

[Door Slider]

Latest I heard was Lnyx is no longer going but the Puma is, so from 1/2 people up to 3/4. No pork pies for the chinny crews but maybe some room for their egos!!

Cant slag the AAC chaps and girls off, they dont procure the kit they have. The only thing they can do is try and make the most of the kit they do have wherever they get sent.

I do however believe its time we did get rid of the less capable aircraft and an extra flying organisation when we should concentrate on one force with a proper budget and a descent capability.

[wg13_dummy]

A darn good reply, Doorslider!

[Time Flies]

what exactly is the lynx bringing to the party in afghanistan?

Little sausages and cheese on a stick! Oh...and vol au vents. :ok:

[BolkowBill]

The Lynx may not provide much of an increase in aviation lift capability but, at least during colder spells and at the lower levels, it will be able to provide fast-reaction armed support. Well, not that fast but faster than the AH awaiting spares from Wastelands. And come to think of it, I'm not sure there are any TOW equipped Lynx left. Or a/c commanders qualified and current. It's still more fun to fly than a bus!
And whilst I don't want to get too involved in inter-service banter, the point about "The Army can't do its job without SH" - duh! What do you think the SH force is there to do????

I would recommend a book called "Lions donkeys and dinosaurs" by an ex-Navy chap by the name of Lewis Page. Very interesting stuff and all this service rivalry is put into sharp focus. Anyway.....

There is of course another route to take - qualify for pension, sneak out the back door and get a job where no-one shoots at you! (Except for Air Ambulance work in and around Nottingham)..... now where did I put that flak jacket?

[The Apprentice]

Having operated Lynx at 3000ft and +35-40 I think you underestimate the poor beast. What starts to eat into its capability is when you have wedge extra kit onto it. This weighs the same as the kit placed on a chinook but is a huge percentage of AUM on a Lynx.

Love to get hold of a Chinook ODM and find out how much performance you loose to temperature in percentage of AUM terms. Being such an old aircraft I bet its worse than most other JHC platforms.

Lynx will be buzzing around above truck convoys providing eyes and close in protection. Running specialist all over the place etc etc. Same as we were doing in Bosnia before the chinook even thought about coming into theatre....

Oh and BTW most Lynx crews are FAC trained powerful friends when you need them.

[Evalu8ter]

Apprentice,
You've struck at the very heart of the lynx's problem-it's had to be upgraded with so much kit to remain viable in a threat environment that it's rapidly running out of performance to achieve anything. Great cab for what it was designed for-looking for and killing the godless hordes in the central plains of Germany, but stick on armour/DAS etc (and don't bother to remove redundant systems and wiring because it costs $$$) and then send it to the top RH corner of the ODM-what do people expect? Your also right when you suggest that the Chinook loses performance in spades h&h, but it gets by with some common sense (ie limiting troop numbers / USLs) and education of the crews (it's very easy hovering on one donk at ISA / sea level with 5T of disposable, not so easy at 5000'/40 degrees). The bottom line is that the Chinook goes because it has so much power to burn it can do something worthwhile in theatre with restricted power, other platforms may not. I'm afraid that I'm in the camp that suggests that Lynx is going to justify FLynx. However before we in crabfat are too critical we must accept that we've done exactly the same thing over the years, eg not deploying Jag on Telic (in case it worked too well and endangered TypHoon) and so do the navy (why send an Amphib Task Group to invade a country with 12 miles of coast?). The bottom line is good luck to anyone going out, make sure you study the ODM and don't be afraid to say no when some idiot reads a planning figure out of the staff handbook and can't understand why you can't lift 54 troops for 150 miles!!!! Fly safe everyone!

[thelynxeffect]

The bottom line is good luck to anyone going out, make sure you study the ODM and don't be afraid to say no when some idiot reads a planning figure out of the staff handbook and can't understand why you can't lift 54 troops for 150 miles!!!! Fly safe everyone!

That would be one hell of a tight fit in my little Mk 7!