View Full Version : Ryanair not really Irish

14th Mar 2006, 15:30
A top safety regulator at the CAA told the Guardian: "The time is rapidly approaching when we need to look at what is meant by 'substantially established' in the UK in a legal sense."
Regulation in the UK would allow the CAA to oversee Ryanair's crew training, maintenance, aircraft design and the robustness of its finances. It would give the CAA the power to investigate allegations of the kind raised by undercover reporters in a recent Channel Four Dispatches documentary which questioned the quality of Ryanair's training and the competence of security checks at departure gates.
Full story: http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1729340,00.html

14th Mar 2006, 16:10
I think that he gains more by being Irish than he would be being British registered. UK FTL's would have a big impact, as well as a more diligent inspectorate. I think he should consider registering in Albania.

14th Mar 2006, 16:50
Some confusion here. EU rules as embodied in the Third Package (1993) state that, for regulatory oversight purposes, the competent authority is the state in which the airline has its principal place of business. For FR, that shifted from Ireland to the UK some time ago, and the UK CAA would love to get their teeth into FR, but neither FR nor the Irish CAA want that to happen so for the time being at least the EU rule is not strictly being observed.

However the EU is currently pushing through a revision to the Third Package and one of the proposals is to substitute principal place of business with 'substantially established' or some such language. At that point FR will be free to relocate to Lithuania or wherever, as long as they pile in just enough of their business to convince the regulators that it is 'substantial'.

14th Mar 2006, 17:34
As far as labour regs apply a recent ruling in the UK, Crofts v Cathay, applies the rules of the country in which you are based.

14th Mar 2006, 18:44
This gets to the NUB of the whole issue. Ryan's competitive advantage would disappear overnight if the UK CAA gained oversight of it's operation.

Ryan would never allow it to happen. He'd close the doors first.

14th Mar 2006, 19:19
To ensure no misinterpetation I was refering to the pilots base not the company's.

14th Mar 2006, 21:20
As a Ryanair pilot I hope we never are forced to adopt the CAA FTL's. Earlies followed by lates in the same week as Easy have to do. No thanks!!

14th Mar 2006, 22:49
Earlies followed by lates in the same week as Easy have to do.

OOOOOOOHHHHHHH No we don't!!!!

15th Mar 2006, 12:02
If the CAA had any evidence of wrong doing they would have complained to the IAA long before now and there is a clear system in place for such things.

With nothing to complain about then why would the CAA have any interest in taking on MOL directly on a regular basis.........could it be money or could it be the case that from most of the recent grumblings eminating from Senior CAA personnel I believe that they are despirate to retain some form of empire in the face of the growing European Regulatory System that will leave them powerless?

Can the CAA force pilots with IAA issued JAR licenses to transfer to the UK?

Can the CAA force EI register aircraft onto it's register while ignoring N registered?

Can the CAA do anything about a FTL scheme that complies with JAR-OPS?

I think that the answer is No, No, No.

With higher corporate taxes in the UK not to mention all the other extra costs Ryanair would be mad to move to the UK. It would however benefit from the sh1te labour laws in the UK and would love to have everyone desperately trying to work well beyond the time directive max hours on a minimum wage just so that they can pay the mortgage.

Irish people don't put up with such cr@p and they will tell you so. British people are institutionalised into such ways and will work their socks off for peanuts - if the image is OK.

The head of BA - the UK's flagship carrier, the head of Ryanair the UK's biggest (low cost) carrier and the head of the CAA are all Irish men from the Republic. Should it not be that case that the IAA should simply take over all UK aviation. ;)



16th Mar 2006, 09:31
What happend to the 14th company directive (The European Company / Societas Europaea / SE) ?

16th Mar 2006, 12:35

"Should it not be that case that the IAA should simply take over all UK aviation."

I don't think he will have the time!:cool: