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jumpdrive

11th Mar 2006, 11:01

Thermal Image

11th Mar 2006, 11:45

around 10 am
coming from coimbatore
an airdeccan brand new ATR72-500
VT-DKC
crash landed in rwy 27
bounced hard
then it came to rest on one side of airport
the aircraft is total loss
minor injuries for pax and cabin crew
will try to upload pictures
airport re opened aprox 3pm

Hmmm, interesting divergence in the accounts of what happened. "Total loss", or just "minor landing incident"?

According to the local newspaper The Deccan Herald:

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/mar112006/update1032162006311.asp

Bangalore airport resumes operation

Bangalore,DHNS:

The Bangalore airport which was shut down Saturday morning resumed operations in the afternoon.

Early this morning, an Air Deccan flight DN-108- Coimbatore-Bangalore aircraft had a minor landing incident.

The flight took off from Coimbatore Airport and landed at in Bangalore airport at 10.17 a.m, carrying 40 passengers and four crew members, all of whom are safe.

On landing, there appeared to be a landing gear problem and the aircraft came to a stop a few yards off the runway. The airport was shut down for a few hours causing disruption the schedule of flights operating out of the Bangalore airport.

However, the situation is under control and the airport has become operational, according to sources.

jumpdrive

11th Mar 2006, 14:19

OM inbound

11th Mar 2006, 16:44

What was the weather like at the time of the accident?

Thermal Image

11th Mar 2006, 21:56

oh you just made me laugh so much
"minor ldg incident"
ja ja ja ja
havent you seen the airplane........
it has no nose ldg gaer
both main gears to the ground level almost gone as well
an the props hit the ground............
mmmmmmmm
I dont know if you call that MINOR
..........and by the way dont believe anything you see in news pappers
on "times NOW (tv news channle)" they said that a tyre bursted!!!
ja ja ja ja
yeah right
if you happen to live near the airport
take a look at the remote apron
you will get a glimpe of the bird
how sad
a brand new a/c

Well here's another report with a photograph of the aircraft:

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/03/12/stories/2006031202600300.htm

From the report:
Mr Brady said the under carriage and one of the blades of the propeller were damaged. "The damage is not substantial though we can't put a value to it immediately," he said.

So, is this what you describe in your first post as "a total loss"?

PPRuNe Towers

11th Mar 2006, 22:43

Tsk Tsk TI,

Selective quoting and comment?

Uncle Warwick is also reported to have said:

Hopefully we may not have to scrap the aircraft

I hope they don't either. A good aircraft and almost new but there seems some doubt already as to whether it can be salvaged and the doubt supposedly comes from a very senior figure in the airline.

Rob

Thermal Image

11th Mar 2006, 22:56

Tsk Tsk TI,
Selective quoting and comment?
Uncle Warwick is also reported to have said:
I hope they don't either. A good aircraft and almost new but there seems some doubt already as to whether it can be salvaged and the doubt supposedly comes from a very senior figure in the airline.
Rob

I'm not sure why he would imply diametrically opposite things, apparently in the same breath. The heat of the moment?

Maybe he's trying to downplay the possibility that it WILL be scrapped by easing readers into that scenario with the words "not substantial", or maybe he's correct in saying that it's not substantial and therefore he hopes that it is not a total loss.

He does appear to have made some double talk, if the words he said are to be given their normal implications.

Capt.Bee

11th Mar 2006, 22:59

The aforementioned article says many things.It looks like bounced landing with not very good recovery technic afterwards. No weather information though. But from the picture looks like nice sunny day.Pity, it's really pity brand new bird.

gb777

11th Mar 2006, 23:49

Air Deccan aircraft skids off runway
Our Bureau

Under carriage, propeller partly damaged; passengers & crew safe, says airline

Bangalore , March 11

Low-cost carrier Air Deccan's flight from Coimbatore was involved in a mishap on Saturday when it skidded off the runway after landing at the Bangalore airport.

Air Deccan's Chief Operating Officer, Mr Warwick Brady, said at a press conference that none of the 40 passengers and the four-member crew suffered major injuries in the mishap. But a few of the passengers told Business Line they saw a few with bleeding injuries who were rushed to a nearby clinic for treatment.

Mr Brady said the cause of the mishap was being investigated. "We are trying to find out whether it was a case of tyre burst or it was because of hard landing," he said. The ATR72 was being piloted by Capt Roger Zibr, who Mr Brady said has over 12,300 hours of flying experience on different aircraft, including 8,380 hours on the ATR.

Mr Brady said the under carriage and one of the blades of the propeller were damaged. "The damage is not substantial though we can't put a value to it immediately," he said. He said the $20-million ATR aircraft was purchased in November 2005 and has flown for over 1,000 hours. "Hopefully we may not have to scrap the aircraft," he said. Mr Brady said the Directorate-General of Civil Aviation had already been informed and some officials from there would fly down to Bangalore to investigate the cause of the mishap.

Fare refunded

Mr Brady said all the passengers had been refunded their fares while negotiations were on with some others for compensation. He said the pilot of the aircraft was a Zambian national. The airline has a total of 250 pilots, of whom 100 are foreign nationals.

"We have been forced to take foreign nationals because of a dearth of Indian pilots," Mr Brady said. He said foreign pilots were paid in dollars and hence their salaries were at least 10-15 per cent higher than those earned by their Indian counterparts. He said, as per DGCA norms, foreign pilots should have at least 500 hours of flying experience before they can be hired by the domestic airlines. In the case of Indian pilots, DGCA norms stipulate 100 hours of flying experience.

`I saw smoke from emergency exit'

Talking to Business Line, one of the passengers, Mr Rama S Prasad, US-based marketing consultant, said the aircraft could have caught fire as smoke started emanating out of the emergency exit as soon the aircraft skidded off the runway.

He said the pilot touched down a bit too early. "I thought the pilot landed the aircraft a bit too early and the angle of landing was not right. The aircraft landed with a big thud. Then it was in the air for a few seconds and crawled on the runway and then went off the runway into the grass," Mr Prasad said.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/03/12/stories/2006031202600300.htm

vagabond 47

12th Mar 2006, 03:04

[quote=PPRuNe Towers]Tsk Tsk TI,

Selective quoting and comment?

Uncle Warwick is also reported to have said:

Hey Wozzer,
Bet you are wishing you hadnt crawled out of your STN Bunker......at least FR had standards?
Cheers.

Left Wing

12th Mar 2006, 04:41

Looks like low cost airline meets low cost training.....:{ :ugh:

ZFT

12th Mar 2006, 06:39

How can you make such a ridiculous statement?

DN train their ATR crews at ATR – TLS and AATC – BKK.

Roger is not inexperienced so why not wait until the investigation has at least started before speculating.

FougaMagister

12th Mar 2006, 08:08

... and also at the ICARE/BRIT AIR TRTO at Morlaix in Britanny.

From the pictures, the damage does not look too serious. If the fuselage hasn't been cracked or bent, then I would think that mishap is repairable - ATRs are quite strong.

Cheers :cool:

ssmann

13th Mar 2006, 21:27

seems that the pilots jumped out of the escape hatch and left one engine running and all pax and cabin crew were inside.Cabin crew then tried to evacuate pax into the side of the live engine as they were not given instructions.Some pax would have almost bought it had it not been for the engineer on board who shut the engine.rescue crew did nothing to help either.The co-pilot who made the landing was crying outside.Bad show of events.seems Brady was ignoring all safety issues being brought up by the pilots over the last few months.:mad: good thing no fatalities.There was no problem with the landing gear and the tyres were all ok.personally inspected them.Landing gone really bad-thats all.Brady reached the actual site after the press conference to see what really happened-so how good is his statement.:*

jumpdrive

14th Mar 2006, 15:29

good insider point of view
1st of all, yes it a bad ldg, **** happens
many factors contributed
dgca now lets pilot graduate with less exp from flying school
wich is alreday BAD,
poor or No line training,
& once they get into line flying captains juts wont help them an inch
theyre just sittin there trying to be cool (at least thats what they think)
but another good question that you must ask is where was GOPI....
mr showman........seen everywhere, and now the the **** hitted the fan
he vanished...........and whom he sends to the press conf???
well you saw it on tv, brady and his bunch????
the moment he neede to confirm his ground to the indian people!!!!
nowhere to be found............faceless..........so sad!!!!!!
by the way hes mad cause his IPO deal got postponed........jiji
so gimme a breake, brady is to blame??? dont think so, dont be so foolish, this is a cultural problem here, specially created from ex military, who think theyre gods or who knows whats inside theyre heads..........if something is ever inside!!!!!, and from some useless people just working for money, and with no clue on how to run an airline...............
maybe.............the slogan of gopi........."where competing against the TRAINS not the other airlines they dont worry us"....................maybe just maybe this should be called TRAIN DECCAN instead...................dont you think so?,,,,,,,,, after passeneger jumping over the cabin crew to get out (hurting her), pilots leaving theyre post, with all hell still loose, thats like seeing a train leaving mumbaii...............so sad for gopi!!!!!!
this is low cost yes...............not cheap.............someone said one day........

coco-nuts

16th Mar 2006, 19:43

Yes, twas a bad landing gone very wrong and the result is that there are to be no more f/o landings allowed. How are the kids going to learn?

cheers
coco

masalama

17th Mar 2006, 05:51

hey coco...
I think the problem here's more deeprooted than we think..

"the result is that there are to be no more f/o landings allowed. How are the kids going to learn?"

We need to find a different system for our fresh CPL holders to gain experience.Most countries, minimum requirements on the right seat of a turboprop are CPL/500-1000 TT and 300 multiengine, now these are the minimum and they're in place for a reason.a type rating course after 200 hours on a cessna and 10 hours on a senaca is not enough,IMHO. OK, they do the supernumary time and the route checks but line flying is not the place to learn how to land an aircraft or how to react to a bounced landing etc etc...
With new cargo outfits coming up flying light turboprops and flight instruction or corporate flying (king airs) ...CPL holders need to gain experience before applying to the airlines and I think it's high time airlines upped their experience requirements in the interests of safety......
masalama

Pushpak

18th Mar 2006, 12:29

I agree with you to a certain extent masalam..but there are airlines in the far east who for years had there cadets come of the baron58 with 20hrs and staright to the B747's and the A310 that is before the Lears came in.....it is the trainning which is required. The airlines should spend in trainning the f/o's there is no short cut to it.
cheers

CARGOJOCK

20th Mar 2006, 21:48

ALL AIRLINES ARE CUTTING CORNERS TO FILL UP WITH CHEAP RECRUITS.

EVEN THE AUTHORITIES ARE GUILTY AS THEY TOO HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE ECONOMIC GROWTH.

I AM WITH SQ CARGO AND THEIR NO BETTER.

HOWEVER THE EXPARTRIATE CREW ARE WELL TRAVELLED AND THAT KEEPS THE OPERATION FLYING.
F/O ARE ONLY GIVEN LANDINGS BY THE LOCAL CAPTAINS IN CAVOK CALM CONDITIONS, SO WHEN WILL THEY LEARN

REMEMBER THIS BABY IS A B744...............

SQ CARGO HAS MANY UNSTABLE LANDINGS DEFINED AS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED UNTIL 100-200FT AGL.
YES BELEIVE IT RATHER TOUCHY WHEN F/O FLY THEY TOO PREFER TO FLY WITH EXPATS AS THEY IMPART/SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCE TO THESE YOUNG GUYS.

SO I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT AND SAFE FLYING YOU"ALL.

happy landings