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LTNman
10th Mar 2006, 17:21
Three weeks ago on a Sunday while I was in Luton town center I witnessed a traffic warden issuing a ticket to a car that was parked in a loading bay but was causing no obstruction. Two further wardens then joined this traffic warden and all three walked into an adjoining street where a van was not only half parked on a narrow pavement forcing anyone with a pushchair onto the road but was also parked on double yellow lines. Thinking that this selfish motorist deserves the ticket he or she was about to get I was amazed to see the three traffic wardens climb into the van. When I pointed out to them that their van was illegally parked and should be issued with a ticket they just laughed at me.

I have emailed the enforcement manager 3 times and had a letter published in the local paper but he will not reply to my complaint.

On there website it states “The council's parking services staff always aim to enforce the Road Traffic Regulations Act 1991 fairly and equitably”

Anyone care to comment and maybe suggest what I can do now?

Ozzy
10th Mar 2006, 17:31
Ask this bloke (http://parkingattendant.********.com/). His parking enforcement blog is excellent.

Ozzy

eal401
10th Mar 2006, 17:41
maybe suggest what I can do now?
Sadly, you've done all you can.

Your letters will probably be in the staff room to be laughed at every day, including by management.

Wyler
10th Mar 2006, 17:56
Dare I suggest that maybe they no speakee the English.:E

No worse than coppers who use the blue light to get home for tea.:mad: ers

Poor sods have to meet their targets or no job.

Be honest, if you were the Traffic Warden, would you park like that? (I know I probably would).

Still hate them so much I can taste it though.

GolfWhiskeyKilo
10th Mar 2006, 18:16
No worse than coppers who use the blue light to get home for tea.:mad: ers
Poor sods have to meet their targets or no job.


Would you care to evidence such claims?

WK :)

ps: why has my post count gone back to 1? I was hardly in the hundreds but no fair!

ORAC
10th Mar 2006, 18:17
Tyre Valve Tool (http://www.debben.co.uk/acatalog/Tyres.html) Tyre valve tool for removing the valve.....handy little item for the tool box. :E

tilewood
10th Mar 2006, 18:43
Has anyone noticed a persistant and ever louder theme in these
postings over the months and years?

That the 'ordinary Joe' is getting more and more p'ssed off with the way
the 'establishment' is behaving. From Government through the the police
local authorities, the NHS, the NGOs and QUANGOS, and the political
correctness of the broadcasters, the British public are just ignored.

None of these bodies seems accountable any more, and it is blindingly obvious that they hold everyone else in contempt.

I just wonder what has to happen before we all say "Enough is Enough!!" :*

billsticker
10th Mar 2006, 19:12
Writing as one of those accursed Parking Enforcers, yes, some of my collegues fall well below the standards and example they should set. Personally, I abide by the rules I enforce, but legally we are allowed some latitude while enforcing the restrictions. It would look incredibly silly if I had to book myself for parking illegally.

As regards the 'how much more is the general public going to take'? I already catch plenty thanks, but for my part try to play as fair as allowed.

Regards

Bill Sticker

tony draper
10th Mar 2006, 19:27
Working around town centers I have always found the real traffic wardens (yellow hats) reasonable chaps,when you have a van full of kit to be installed in a bank say I found them very helpfull, as long as you approach and ask them in a polite and friendly manner if its ok to park somewhere, tiz the private ones (blue hats) that are a bunch of illiterate bloody minded tossers.
:cool:

unclenelli
10th Mar 2006, 19:50
Taken from http://www.scarboroughtoday.co.uk
'Police break law'
SCARBOROUGH police are looking into a complaint about officers parking their private cars illegally outside the station in Northway.
Les Mallinson, who lives in Northway, has said police officers have been parking their cars on both double yellow lines and in disabled parking bays for weeks.

He raised the issue with two uniform officers outside the station on Tuesday night and said they swore at him.

His complaints are being investigated.

Mr Mallinson said: "I have seen them several times in the past few weeks, all in uniform, getting out of their own cars which are parked on double yellow lines outside Jewsons and in disabled bays outside the magistrates' court. They are obstructing the view to other motorists."

"I went up to two police officers outside the station and asked them if the police did anything about cars parked illegally. They said Yes. I then asked if they were going to do anything about the cars on Northway. One of them then asked if I had a problem with the police.

"I told them I was asking a civil question. But they swore at me, told me to go home for my tea and swore at me as they walked away. They shouldn't talk to people like that. Are they above the law?"

Mr Mallinson has made an official complaint about the conduct of the officers.

Scarborough police has promised to take action on the alleged illegal parking by officers as soon as it has proof.

Supt Ian Spittal of Scarborough Police said: "Mr Mallinson has made me aware that he has evidence which suggests police officers have been parking their private vehicles on double yellow lines and in disabled parking bays in Northway in Scarborough for extended periods of time.

"I am awaiting registration numbers and photographic evidence from Mr Mallinson. Once that is received I will take action as appropriate as regards officers who have parked in contravention of the parking regulations."

He added: "As an organisation, North Yorkshire Police expects all its officers and staff to behave in a professional manner, both in their work and private life - that includes parking and use of vehicles.

"Mr Mallinson has also made an accusation that when he first tried to raise the issue with police officers, their response was less than helpful. He has made a complaint to North Yorkshire Police and this matter will be investigated."
10 March 2006

Grainger
10th Mar 2006, 21:17
Looking forward to the reasoned analysis from one of the usual "law is the law" crowd.

Come on boys, anyone with such a blatant disregard for the law as these guys must be guilty of all sorts of things... let's hear it ! :rolleyes:

tony draper
10th Mar 2006, 21:25
True Mr G,first its just double parking then the next thing yer know, they're caught in the Lama enclosure at the zoo with their kecks around their ankles.
:uhoh:

MMEMatty
10th Mar 2006, 21:40
There was an article in the Local paper about two local policemen in full uniform and on duty who used their "Panda" car to take them to an out of town shopping centre (Teesside Retail Park) where they went to the shops, parking across a disabled bay for 20 minutes in the process. The reason? one (apparantly) wanted to buy the latest mobile phone top for himself. One punter captured it all on digital camera, and the photos were printed in the paper. I believe the officers were "re informed of their responsibilities" and released back onto the streets.

Link:http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0001head/tm_objectid=15629840%26method=full%26siteid=50080-name_page.html

Matt

Brizzo
10th Mar 2006, 22:12
Traffic wardens, like police officers, are serving the public by enforcing the law of the land. they don't get much thanks for it. If they are working, then they can park where they like, so long as it's safe. Off-duty their mates will cut them a bit of slack, but what's so bad about that? It's not as if they are well paid.

Flying Lawyer
11th Mar 2006, 11:53
There we are, Grainger. It didn't take long. ;)

Brizzo" .....serving the public by enforcing the law of the land"You make traffic wardens sound very noble and altruistic. Anyone (who didn't know better) would think they were volunteers motivated by a social conscience and commendable desire to help their fellow man. They do a job, and are paid for doing it, just like the rest of us.

"Off-duty their mates will cut them a bit of slack, but what's so bad about that? It's not as if they are well paid."I can understand that one point of view in your post (albeit very reluctantly in the case of traffic wardens), but how do you reconcile it with "serving the public by enforcing the law of the land"?
So, the amount they are paid is a relevant factor. :confused:
So, you think it's acceptable for 'pubic servants' given power over the rest of us to give each other freebies and deprive public funds of revenue if they are (in your opinion) not well paid?

Interesting values.

FL

Onan the Clumsy
11th Mar 2006, 12:02
I've never really met a trafic warden I didn't like, mostly because I rarely park in places I shouldn't and on the times I do I run back as quickly as possible and If I get a ticket I accept it as the consequences of my actions.

What really pisses me off though are the other road users who park indiscriminately, block the road and otherwise cause general havoc. I can only imagine what the roads would look like if there were no parking enforcement.

Worse still though are invalids :* and all the special privileges they get.

Krystal n chips
11th Mar 2006, 13:01
Worse still though are invalids :* and all the special privileges they get.

Onan, you chucking a pebble in the pond with the above or just plain s££t stirring ??;)

I have to say that as far as I am concerned, for those who genuinely need access there is no problem given that my mother falls into the impaired category and hence is entitled to use the facilities. What does grip my s££t however is when I see remarkably able people "just popping in" to a store for 10mins etc--displaying a badge in the car etc--and yet clearly have as much disabliity as a top class athlete !!---Sainsbury's in Altrincham comes to mind here as a classical example--the number of BMW's and Mercs parked jsut outside the store is a "joy to behold" :mad: -must have saved them a walk of all of 20yds at times.

PANDAMATENGA
11th Mar 2006, 13:04
ONAN

I am afraid I must take issue with you concerning Invalides and their special priveleges and your inference that they cause havoc as well!!

I do not know how it is in Texas but Disabled Drivers(I am including myself) in the UK are in my opinion generally considerate and Law abiding when Parking.For example I will never park on a Double Yellow Line even if I am allowed to because I know it will always cause an obstruction. More and more Disabled Parking bays are being created these days and that suits me fine as long as the able-bodied scumbags do not park in them.

GRAINGER

I wonder if you were perhaps referring to the likes of bjcc who would normally come charging into the fray on his white Police stallion defending to the hilt his ex-colleagues who because they are plods can obviuosly do no wrong!!

Unwell_Raptor
11th Mar 2006, 13:07
That's right Onan, try a bit of cripple-kicking. That should stir them up a bit!

cavortingcheetah
11th Mar 2006, 13:15
:\

That's one of the uses of the star on the bonnets of slower Mercedes-Benzs.
Aim the sight at the occupied invalid carriage and then accelerate hard?:E
Nearly as many points here to be gained as for women with baby pushers shoving them out into the traffic at pedestrian crossings.:D

perusal
11th Mar 2006, 13:37
Is it actually illegal to park in a disabled bay in a private car park (i.e. supermarket) if you don't have a disabled badge?

PANDAMATENGA
11th Mar 2006, 13:38
CHEETAH

You are obviously familiar with the old Van der Merwe joke !!:)

Vasbyt


PANDA

R4+Z
11th Mar 2006, 13:53
OK

So are we trying for thread drift or not.

Back to the point. Accept it either you are on the inner or on the outer. If you can't afford the resources to catch those on the inner then accept your position and try and accept it. My wife used to work for a police force in the UK and at head office they had thier own police bar. On a number of occasions she left HO after one too many only to be escorted home by a squad car. There are perks with most jobs, get used to it!

cavortingcheetah
11th Mar 2006, 13:56
:hmm:

Ja.

That's why Maybach, made by Mercedes emblazone their doors with a big M.
It makes scoring easier after the event. Those with an M dent on the back are mine!?:E
Glad no one else knows what on earth I am talking about here. But it is at least in English!:{

GolfWhiskeyKilo
11th Mar 2006, 16:46
There was an article in the Local paper about two local policemen in full uniform and on duty who used their "Panda" car to take them to an out of town shopping centre (Teesside Retail Park) where they went to the shops, parking across a disabled bay for 20 minutes in the process. The reason? one (apparantly) wanted to buy the latest mobile phone top for himself. One punter captured it all on digital camera, and the photos were printed in the paper. I believe the officers were "re informed of their responsibilities" and released back onto the streets.

Are we not allowed a break? Many people would use their break at work to do such things. Fair enough if parking where they did was true..not so good but come on!
I did a 10 hour shift today, dealing with prisoners, a dead person, members of the public...oh and got 10 minutes to sit down and have a quick bite to eat.

Some people need to realise how it REALLY goes on and not how the media portray it.

WK

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Mar 2006, 04:41
Other people also have those stressful days and the few minutes off for a sandwich are just as necessary. Jobsworths who spoil that but not their own perks are two faced abusers of their position.

humberside_go
12th Mar 2006, 04:54
Is it actually illegal to park in a disabled bay in a private car park (i.e. supermarket) if you don't have a disabled badge?

Whilst working for a well known supermarket chain in my university days, I was assigned the task of patrolling the car park and giving out tickets to cars which shouldn't be parked in the disabled bays. So in answer to your question, yes it is.

eal401
12th Mar 2006, 10:42
I believe the officers were "re informed of their responsibilities" and released back onto the streets.
Lucky them.

Most people in other jobs would get the sack for such behaviour and less.

Oh, and on the thread drift subject. If you are disabled yet capable of paid employment, why should you be entitled to free parking?

lexxity
12th Mar 2006, 10:48
parking across a disabled bay for 20 minutes in the process.

I think that was the point of Mattys post.

If you ever want proof of the abuse of bluelights just go and stand outside Stockport police station and watch the number of squadcars pulling in with blues and twos on Then watch the coppers get out and walk into the station. Hardly an emergency is it?

EAL I quite agree.

B Fraser
12th Mar 2006, 11:06
Maybe the usual protagonists are off out flying. This is a pilots forum isn't it ???

Krystal n chips
12th Mar 2006, 11:13
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Oh, and on the thread drift subject. If you are disabled yet capable of paid employment, why should you be entitled to free parking?


Possibly because impairments / disabilities take many forms and affect many age groups ? Simply because you are disabled and able to work does not mean that getting around on a daily basis is any easier---it isn't. Hence I have no objection to any beneficial aspects that assist disabled people---it's those that are clearly mobile and have NO form of disability and who abuse the benefits that those who are, and are thus entitled to use that annoy me :mad: I have spent, like numerous others, many hours helping my disabled parent(s) in supermarkets etc and it is truly amazing to note the number of people who simply barge into them--with a token "sorry" of course :yuk: ---at times. Access has improved, but only due to legislation of course.

Lexxity----with the best will in the world, you could argue the same for the dedicated Mother and child slots--however, that would be equally irrational given that there are obvious benefits for all parties in the same way there are for the disabled.

Sorry about the thread drift, but the issue of disablity is one that I feel strongly about and have personal experience of.

Ontariotech
12th Mar 2006, 11:50
Law enforcement officers under the microscope again eh?

Flying Lawyer
So, you think it's acceptable for 'pubic servants' given power over the rest of us to give each other freebies and deprive public funds of revenue if they are (in your opinion) not well paid?

Sure, why not. We have that power, and the rest of society does not. I let people off with warnings all the time without giving out tickets. I can assure you that attitude has everything to do with it. If you are rude, arrogant and being a pain, here is your copy, court date can be set at the back and have a nice day.

Maybe we should do away with traffic wardens, sack the lot. Big huge savings $$$$$....what do you think the traffic situation would be like in your towns and city's with cars parked on every available piece of curb, blocking driveways, garages and making most roads in the UK all but impassable?

lexxity
12th Mar 2006, 11:57
I also have personal experience of disability, my grandfather had parkinsons for 25years and a few years ago I had to spend sometime in a wheelchair so had to use disabled bays.

What I object to is those who are able to work, and do, recieving free parking, not the fact that there are wider bays. As you rightly say I use parent and child bays where they are available because they make my life easier, but I still have to pay for them.

lexxity
12th Mar 2006, 21:26
Basil if you speak to the greatstaff at shop mobility (or more likely send your shopping partner) they will give you a temporary badge for your shopping location.

wsmempson
13th Mar 2006, 11:00
Vigorously policing disabled parking bays is something that I support; however, some of the behaviour by the London parking warden subcontractors is pretty indefensible, and has nothing to do with restoring the flow of traffic or upholding the law, and everything to do with revenue raising.

For example, Kensing to and Chelsea council issues 300,000 tickets P/A, which may have something to do with the fact that although there are 27,000 parking spaces in the borough, it has issued 84,000 permits to park.

Three years ago a sizeable portion of the traffic wardens were prosecuted for taking cash to cancel parking tickets and selling £10 wraps of crack cocaine, concealed under there hats. Really, you couldn't make it up....

Unwell_Raptor
13th Mar 2006, 11:05
My wife has a blue badge, which she uses responsibly. But the one thing that I find hard to understand is why it gets us across the Severn Bridge for free. Doesn't Wales have enough cripples, without importing English ones?

Three years ago a sizeable portion of the traffic wardens were prosecuted for taking cash to cancel parking tickets and selling £10 wraps of crack cocaine, concealed under there hats. Really, you couldn't make it up....

Can you give a reliable source for that?

Ontariotech
13th Mar 2006, 11:20
Unwell_Raptor

But the one thing that I find hard to understand is why it gets us across the Severn Bridge for free.

Same thing happens here in Ontario. Police Officers that ride Go Transit and the TTC Subway can flash their badges, and ride for free. It's just a perk of the job when you become a Police Officer I suppose.

tony draper
13th Mar 2006, 12:07
Yers,if you flash your willy here you get a free ride in a police car.
:rolleyes:

slim_slag
13th Mar 2006, 15:09
I let people off with warnings all the time without giving out tickets. I can assure you that attitude has everything to do with it. If you are rude, arrogant and being a pain, here is your copy, court date can be set at the back and have a nice daySo you are really giving tickets for not being polite to an officer. Is that the offence you put on the ticket?

I think the original idea was that traffic wardens apply discretion to fellow traffic wardens and not to the public. That would be like you never giving a speeding ticket to a fellow cop. Do cops actually get speeding tickets when there isn't a camera involved?

Wyler
13th Mar 2006, 15:28
Why bother trying to be nice and polite. They don't understand. You might as well discuss the stock market with your dog. Traffic Wardens are Traffic Wardens because they are as thick as sh*te OR they arrived in the UK in a crate OR both of the above.
Avoid, observe and attack.:)

G-CPTN
13th Mar 2006, 17:49
Do cops actually get speeding tickets when there isn't a camera involved?
Was a recent case of an Inspector, responsible (?) for Road Safety getting caught.

http://www.originb2.com/news/index.cfm?NewsID=28

None of the above
13th Mar 2006, 18:11
Three years ago a sizeable portion of the traffic wardens were prosecuted for taking cash to cancel parking tickets and selling £10 wraps of crack cocaine, concealed under there hats. Really, you couldn't make it up....
Not flogging illicit substances but required to leave the country anyway......

http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0300southwark/tm_objectid=14679956&method=full&siteid=50100&headline=wardens-to-be-deported-name_page.html

wsmempson
13th Mar 2006, 18:20
"Can you give a reliable source for that?"


The London Evening Standard about 3 years ago. It should have also said in my post that the warderns concerned were in a pocket of south-London. I haven't read about it happening since, but maybey that is because I work a bit harder these days - to pay for the flying and parking tickets, unfortunately.

slim_slag
13th Mar 2006, 20:01
Was a recent case of an Inspector, responsible (?) for Road Safety getting caught.There were cameras involved in your example. Do real cops ever give other real cops speeding tickets?

MrFire
13th Mar 2006, 22:29
There were cameras involved in your example. Do real cops ever give other real cops speeding tickets?

Shouldnt they be out catching rapists...?

patdavies
13th Mar 2006, 22:35
Whilst working for a well known supermarket chain in my university days, I was assigned the task of patrolling the car park and giving out tickets to cars which shouldn't be parked in the disabled bays. So in answer to your question, yes it is.


Since you had neither the authority of a police officer nor a council employed parking attendant, I would suggest that this proves that the answer to the question is NO.

It may be that the answer is yes, but only a properly authorised person may issue such a ticket'; not a part time student employee of the supermarket concerned.

BTW, there is absolutely no basis in law for the parent & child parking spaces. Anyway, if go with my 20 year-old son, presumably I would be entitled to park there?

Astrodome
13th Mar 2006, 22:41
I guess he means the ones that give you a telling off.

And which the arseholes who abuse the parking spaces rip up and throw on the ground, thus adding litter to their "offences".

Supermarkets don't really have the balls to enforce parking.

ShyTorque
13th Mar 2006, 22:47
In my home town I've noticed a "yellow banded parking meter monkey" going to the Pay 'n Display meter, putting in money and getting out tickets, going to a number of cars for which he has keys and putting the tickets in the windscreen.

Can't believe they are all HIS cars.. :suspect:

On the "bung", surely?

G-CPTN
13th Mar 2006, 22:49
Supermarkets don't really have the balls to enforce parking.
Tesco uses CCTV and gets name and addresses from DVLC and issues a £70 ticket!

Astrodome
13th Mar 2006, 22:54
One cannot see that lasting long, and I meant the ones who abuse disabled/mother and child spaces.

humberside_go
14th Mar 2006, 02:00
Supermarket car parks are generally classed as private land and therefore are not patrolled by 'properly authorised persons' as patdavies puts it so if the supermarket car park displays a sign to effect that 'this car park is patrolled, unauthorised parking will result in a fine of xx' then they are perfectly within their right to issue private penalty tickets. As long as the disabled bays have a sign which says orange badge holders only then the supermarket can enforce the rules. Exactly the same as if you park in most motorway service stations car parks for more than 2 hours without displaying a valid pay and display ticket, which incidently will land you a fine or parking your car in a city centre office block car park 'because it's free' will end up in your car being clamped. Private car parks are not patrolled by police officers or traffic wardens as they are exactly that PRIVATE not the public highway, so anyone emplyed by the owner of the land can issue tickets in accordance to any displayed rules that have been broken. With regards to the parent and child bays it is just common decency to let the mother/father shopping on her own with 2 young children and a baby in tow to park nearest the store so said mother/father doesnt have to walk the three little ones through the car park and risk them being run down by Mrs Range Rover in the middle of the tarmac. No law against it just the same as theres no law saying you have to give up your seat on the tube/bus for the elderly or parents with children - its just the done thing for Gods sake.

Heliport
14th Mar 2006, 05:47
humberside_go

How were the supermarket's 'private penalty tickets' you issued enforced?
Were the cars clamped until the driver paid?

humberside_go
14th Mar 2006, 23:55
I believe the tickets had a section to fill out and return to an external parking enforcement firm within 28 days. From what I remember the firm were given the car registration details by the supermarket so that non paying offenders could be chased by obtaining the address of the vehicle owner from the DVLA. They could then be further threatened with words to the effect of 'your details will be passed on to external debt collection agencies' which probably was enough to make most people pay up.

Solid Rust Twotter
15th Mar 2006, 05:07
Aahhh, demanding money by menaces....:}

Pain in the R's
15th Mar 2006, 15:47
I believe the tickets had a section to fill out and return to an external parking enforcement firm within 28 days. From what I remember the firm were given the car registration details by the supermarket so that non paying offenders could be chased by obtaining the address of the vehicle owner from the DVLA.

So how does that get past the data protection act? Surly this is private information?

patdavies
15th Mar 2006, 22:39
Tesco uses CCTV and gets name and addresses from DVLC and issues a £70 ticket!

Tesco don't do this themselves. They have contract this out.

patdavies
15th Mar 2006, 22:44
humberside_go

How were the supermarket's 'private penalty tickets' you issued enforced?
Were the cars clamped until the driver paid?


They are pursued by threatening letters and promises to involve debt collectors. These can safely be ignored.

The only 'offence' is a breach of implied contract, by the driver (not necessarily the RK) and the driver can be sued via the county court for any reasonably losses arising from the breach. To have an inplied contract, signs nust be posted clearly stating the conditions and prices and the driver then accepts the contract by parking. However, there is no legal duty on the RK to name the driver (unlike speeding, etc).

patdavies
15th Mar 2006, 22:48
So how does that get past the data protection act? Surly this is private information?

It may be private information, but as long as the DVLA's data protection registration includes passing the information to third parties there is very little that you can do about it. The DPA does not restrict personal information per se; it simply requires that it is used within the scope of the registration.

Anybody can get the RK details from the DVLA for a reg number - it costs £2.50. You need a valid and acceptable reason for requiring the information. These parking companies require the information for 'parking enforcement' and will have an account and electronic link with the DVLA.