Millennium Airlines (Irish International Airlines) - Is it a con?

[Justin Abeaver]

This supposedly new airline is asking for cash to pay upfront for Type Ratings and the Irish CAA, the IAA, have not issued a AOC to them. Based in Shannon, they have a website which is pretty vague about who they are, who the Directors are, and is asking for investors!

Anyone know what PJ McGoldrick is up to thesedays? Is it him? Doubt it as he's normally pretty up front.

. .J Abeaver

[Zeppelin]

Balpa have issued a news letter recently saying approach this company with caution. As you say AOC not even applied for and asking for £5k up front!!?

Balpa rightly advise to be wary of any request for cash up front [quote] Even if an escrow account is set up....only as secure as the honesty of the lawyer holding it <hr></blockquote>

[Tin Kicker]

Hmmm...think the claims of obtaining an RJX fleet, then having to rethink it after BAE's cancellation, all combined with a pic of an Emb 170 says it all... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

[irishcc]

HEARD A FEW CABIN CREW WERE INTERVIEWED IN ROME FOR A POSSIBLE BASE THERE !

AND ON A SEPARATE NOTE....... .I HEAR PJ IS LOOKING AT NEW COMPANY IN DUBLIN !!!

[Thrush]

It's code is not 'EI', is it .....?!

[ww24]

BALPA advise is correct. Proceed with caution.. .I was also offered a position with them and he wanted 5K upfront.. .The few conversations I have had with the gentleman indicated it was a very vague setup with very large dreams. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[Flying_Tuur]

I heard they will fly the Avro RJ85 ? Anybody who can confirm this, and how many aircraft they will fly??

[FL310]

the 12 you will provide them.... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

[electricblue]

would you have the url which you refer to above for Mullennium's website ?

[gyrohead]

The website for Millennium Airlines is . .<a href="http://www.millenniumairlines.net" target="_blank">www.millenniumairlines.net</a>. .And for all you ex-VEX-IRL chappies a bit of a shock when you find out whose in charge!!! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

[Mishandled]

Judging by the standard of the website, I thonk this is a school project (promary school at that!). Mind you they mention 100 million € capital. Thats a lot of pocket money. This can not be serious. I hope that no one loses their shirt.

[gyrohead]

Who's in charge??. ........

Millennium Airlines is pleased to inform that Mr. MARTIN HAMROGUE has been appointed as Chairman of the Company.. .He has a top level qualification and recently served as Chairman and CEO at Virgin Express Ireland.. .He will lead our Company during its start-up relying on his prominent experience acquired both in civil aviation and in the army since 1959.. .Have a good Job, Mr. Hamrogue, and welcome to Millennium Airlines.

....

. .So now you know!. . <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

[EI - E I - O]

GYRO--IS THIS RELATED TO SKYNET? Or totally indo?

[Jack The Lad]

Having just seen the site, I have to ask the same question as soddit.

It smacks all over of the type of scam that burk would be behind.

More importantly, and perhaps those in 'the know' will verify, I thought one had to be regulated by the financial authorities to openly solicit investments? I'm sure it is in the UK, and if so, I'm also sure it isn't any different in Ireland.

Only an absolute idiot would impart a brass farthing, or Euro equivalent, to such a scheme. No business prospectus, or what? What about the disclaimer that 'your investment may well go down as well as up?

More fool them for thinking they might get investors without disclosing any info...and in the aviation sector as well....ROFL...what a waste of bandwidth!

If any fool invests, then, imho, they deserve to be separated from their dosh!!

Best laff I've had since the purchase of Delta's fleet!

[Jack The Lad]

....also, I find it highly suspect that such outfit has 'paid up capital' of EU2M. Has BALPA or anyone else thought to do a company search??

[theRolfe2]

A Quote from their website for those who can't face the god-awful intro:

In order to start operating in business, the company needs an initial minimum capital to buy aircrafts and for complete organisation of personnel and the necessary means: Millennium Airlines shares are on sale with a nominal value of 50.00 € each, to a total amount of 100,000,000.00 €. Every purchase order will arrive at one of the most important Irish Bank, which will issue the shares to guarantee your capital until the airline starts business.

All capital will be managed and guaranteed by this. .bank until that moment, at 10% annual interest. . .If, after a year, you should wish to sell the shares, the Bank shall buy, at the current market. .price,but never at an inferior value to that of the original investment. . . So with maximum clearness and serioussness, with. .a great deal of security for a capital investment, we believe that our offer will prove to be very interesting, as well as original in its execution.

"very interesting" is an understatement!

Anyone who claims that a bank will offer a guaranteed return of 10% on a 1 year cash deposit is either deluded or a crook...

If you're looking for a job you might try:

<a href="http://www.millennium-airways.com/" target="_blank">http://www.millennium-airways.com/</a>

Yes, it's a virtual airline but it's probably more real than "Millennium Airlines..."

theRolfe

[ 04 February 2002: Message edited by: theRolfe2 ]</p>

[Jack The Lad]

But Rolffe, you forgot the 'free monthly' airline magazine with every investment... that will bring investors flocking in from all parts of the globe.

I can't be assed to read the free one that comes in the seat pocket in front of me.

But, there again, I did used to pester me Mom to buy Cornflakes or Beano, when they had a freebee insert... gosh, showing my age now...

[frogone]

That has to be one of the worst websites I have ever seen! It even beats the Aer Lingus one! What a joke.

EIDW

[theRolfe2]

I didn't know they were giving out a free monthly magazine - probably full of classfied ads for bridges and perpetual motion machines.

That changes everything. I'll send my cheque off tomorrow.

I wonder if their virtual counterparts will sue them for identity theft....

theRolfe

[HugMonster]

Their domain name info:-. . [quote]Registrant:. .WINSHIP,STEPHEN (MILLENIUMAIRLINES3-DOM). . 6124 Pattie Ct.. . HAYMARKET, VA 20169. . US

Domain Name: MILLENIUMAIRLINES.NET

Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:. . WINSHIP, STEPHEN (SWM187) [email protected]. . WINSHIP,STEPHEN. . 6124 Pattie Ct.. . HAYMARKET, VA 20169. . US. . 703 754 1776 703 754 1887. . Technical Contact:. . VeriSign, Inc. (HOST-ORG) [email protected]. . VeriSign, Inc.. . 21355 Ridgetop Circle. . Dulles, VA 20166. . US. . 1-888-642-9675 fax:

Record last updated on 05-Apr-2001.. . Record expires on 16-Feb-2002.. . Record created on 16-Feb-2000.. . Database last updated on 4-Feb-2002 07:33:00 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS29.WORLDNIC.COM 216.168.225.159. . NS30.WORLDNIC.COM 216.168.225.160. .<hr></blockquote>. .I've already lost count of the number of spelling or grammatical errors on their website. I suspect that whoever wrote it is not a native English-speaker. Such elementary errors as "Millenium Airlines is an Irish International Airlines"...

Looks sure like a scam to me.

[FlyingV]

I think these are the correct web address details

Millennium Airlines (template COCO-1058886). . [email protected]. . Will House. . Shannon Business Park. . Shannon, Co Clare 00000 IE

Domain Name: millenniumairlines.net. . Status: production

Admin Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:. . Piero Chirco (COCO-965460) [email protected]. . +39051477627 (FAX) +39051477843

CORE Registrar: CORE-11

Record last modified: 2001-07-10 14:36:38 UTC by CORE-11. . Record created: 2001-03-22 17:45:13 UTC by CORE-11. . Record expires: 2002-03-22 10:43:04 UTC

Domain servers in listed order:

virus.italiatelematica.com . . virus2.italiatelematica.com

. .Also,

Directors:

Ugo Michelassi. .Axel Peter Kapell. .Martin Hamrogue

[FL310]

FlyingV, you got the details right..... . :) :) :)

[gyrohead]

EI-EI-O

I wish I could say whose behind it, but as you will have read by now it would appear the Guvnor is not involved but rather maybe some of our Italian cousins. Heard a while back that a group of Italian investors were scrabbling around for an Irish AOC. It also begs belief that the great and mighty airline industry guru MH, would lend himself to an outfit that present themselves in such an amaturish fashion, and expect to win the confidence of potential investors!! Talk about losing credibility fast!! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

[GEENY]

Ugo Michelassi claims to have flown for American Airlines but with his English one wonders.Could his claim be checked?

[Flying_Tuur]

Oh Yes, he did !!

Probably flying an Italian regional turboprop in codeshare with Swissair who's passengers were brought out of the states in codeshare with American. So, indirectly, he DID fly for AA.

BTW, I already flew for Delta, AA, Swissair, Austrian, ...

[alterego]

Is this £5,000 that those who applied have been asked to stump up for the Avro/146 differences course? If so how much do they charge at Woodford?

[hobie]

If these guys are operating in the Shannon area then interested parties could consider contacting the following company .....

Shannon Development. .Shannon town centre. .Shannon. .County Clare. .Ireland

tel no ... 00 353 61 36 15 55

Shannon Development are a Government organisation who's responsibilities include promoting the Shannon area for various business opportunities and will almost certainly be aware of just how legitimate this company is

[Thrush]

I think the upshot of all this is that it is a right barrel of monkeys, and best avoided at all costs.

Deal with them at your peril. The IAA should slam them with a hammer from the start, and tell them to pi$$ off and get an AOC off someone else; maybe this is what they have told them.

Rule number one in aviation - NEVER put any money up front.

[Astronut]

Woodford can not offer upgrade as they sold their one and only RJ sim to the U.S.A.

[Regus_86]

Just visited their web site, even excusing the crap language, definitely looks dodgy!. .Beware.............

[UPP]

I was puzzled as to why Hugmonster and FlyingV got different domain info. So I had a look myself and spotted the difference.

Hugmonster got the domain info for MilleNium Airlines.

FlyingV got the info for MilleNNium Airlines.

Spot the difference!

Theone with the single N is all based in the States. The one with the double N is all based in Ireland.

I'm willing to bet that (at least! :) one of them is a scam!)

If one is genuine, then it can complain about the other one having a name that is the same (to all intents and purposes) and is in the same business. That is a definate no-no.

Also, something odd about the Irish site - which is the one that has something on it (the single N site is U/C). They have a link to the Atlantic Stock Exchange. This has a clock on it. Stock exchanges world-wide run in synch using atomic clocks for reference. This one is 7 minutes slow. That is a huge amount. Very odd! <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Basically, at least one is definately a scam, and the other one...well, some of you here seem to know people involved, so it's up to you.

[UPP]

<img src="redface.gif" border="0"> Whoops. About the Irish site. That has nothing at all on it, and I couldn't find much either. Give it a miss until someone who knows these things says it's ok.

The site I actually looked at by accident was for Millenium-Airways. That is a virtual airline set up by a bunch of kids. It has a holding company as the "Uniflyer Group" and is qouted on the "Atlantic Stock Exchange". All quite amusing. It was the fact that they kept mentioning Flight Sim, and that the Stock exchange clock was slow, as I mentioned above. Not to mention that the "photo" of some bigwig was not a photo! Still, nice little spoof.

There is also a Milleniumairways.com. That is a domain name for sale. And as mentioned in my previous post, if someone exists as an airline, and they are called "Millennium Airways" I don't think that anyone can make a reasonable case that because they are Millennium-airways, and the other guy is Millenium Airways, that they are somehow different.

The kids' site actually is more entertaining than the Irish one. At least it has info on it, even if it's all false! :)

As for the "Irish". There is no info of any sort available. All that is on the site is a few email addresses, nothing else.Do not touch it!

[VOP8741]

Proficiency in English is not a guarantee -&gt; look at the Arthur Andersen link to Enron!

[MSF]

I met MH today and it seems some people dont dig very hard for facts.. .He has not had anything to do with Millennium. .Airlines for quite some time now.. .Other ex-VEI staff have also had brief encounters. .with them - and did not stay long.

[back to front]

So is there anymore news on this start up, or has it just faded away? <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[FL310]

Fact is that the IAA "officially" does not know anything about them. If you ask about any inofficial details....but this is another story.

Ugo's phone and fax are from Vatican City, his knowledge and use of the English language is extremely bad, if he ever flew aeroplanes, it must have been locally between Ciampino and Fiumicino...

Rumours came up last week that there is a DO appointed, however, latest rumours contradict the first again.... .One ex-BAe employee is said to be employed as TRI, digging further did not confirm the employement but, surprise, surprise, show that the mentioned "TRI" is neither TRI nor even SFI.

This is all very strange, especially as there are very hot rumours now evading and these ones link Michelassi with an Airbus deal....

As this is a rumours board, take it as written, never trust anything unless you have it in writing. But why was there already an interview for cabin crew last year..... . . <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

[quadrapuff146]

hello all, first post so forgive me if this all goes horribly wrong, and the internet explodes or something.

A couple or three points here as I know a few of the people who 'may' become involved.

1) In the current environment, should we not unite and support anyone’s proactive ventures ?

2) Giving 5K in return for a job is the most ludicrous selection procedure I have seen.... did anyone take the offer up ?

3) I wont name names (sorry, that’s for them to do) but the training manager that is currently in the frame is a gentleman of very high calibre - certainly any of you 146/RJ drivers out there will probably know of him - he has all the qualifications and more to fulfil this position. The only other 'firmish' position currently being filled is the guy responsible for preparing the Ops Manuals/Systems/Databases for AOC submission. Whilst relatively young, I know that he (rightly) commands enormous respect from all who come into contact with him – he taught me more about correct operation of the 146 over the phone one day than 5 years of flying the dam thing ever did. Brain on legs, common sense to-boot – bastard.

With the addition of a handful more like these two, proper funding, and a following wind I guess that this operation will have about as good a chance as any other of succeeding.

Come on guys, rally and support your industry - and those who have the balls to be proactive at this hellish time.

And for those mentioned in 3) Gimme a job ?

Regards, Aid.

[Aeronavigant]

Hello All,. .i have gotten some details on the company agreement or say the employment contract and honestly it is very poorly written.. .I think the person in charge of replying to employment inquiries is of Italian background.. .I think it would be very much worth getting this company to clarify the process through which they will hire pilots.. .They claim to wanting to start ops in April which raise many questions.. .Later

[AYR521]

Did Millennium Airlines hire any pilots?

[kursk]

More to the point...did anyone pay for the expensive RJ conversion which appeared to be a condition of employment??

[rossmcentaggart]

Any mention or info on their possible routes?

[AYR521]

Today I was contacted by Mr Ugo Michelassi who claims to be the executive director of Millennium Airlines.He asked me £10,000 to do a type rating course on the BA146 with BAE SYSTEMS in Woodford.. .Anybody received the same offer?

[crundale]

I was in Italy all last year and there was talk of Millennium from about summer onwards. They started off with Boeings of various types and now, having spoken to their Training Manager who is ex BAe Woodford, they appear to have two 146-300s which they are planning to launch soon. They are based in Firenze, and Michelassi is the man running the show in Italy, even though it has Irish backing. Some of the emails I have received from him have been a bit sharpish, and no they are certainly not spending any money before the launch if they can persuade crew to pay for themselves. They are real, and they do want to start, and Firenze is a beautiful city, but if you want to go down there you will have to pay for yourself. This is not a repeat of NJI and it's crazy pilot salaries. Working in Italy is not for the faint hearted, but if you value culture, la bella vita, climate etc over cash then give it a go. Of course, being pilots, cash will no doubt win....(only joking) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

[146LUKE]

Crundale. .. .If, as you say, they intend to start with 2 146-300, why were we asked to stump up £5,000 to do the RJ differences course?. . . . <small>[ 15 March 2002, 12:00: Message edited by: 146LUKE ]</small>

[crundale]

they were getting RJs at one point after they abandoned the 73s. Guess the RJs were abandoned for the old workhorses. BAe were keen to send the RJs to Italy last year, don't know what happened. Training Manager though is definitely reliable and honest and if he says they are getting 146-300s then I believe him. And Florence is lovely so try again. With NJI we had about 5 false starts and then suddenly just started rolling so don't be put off by the delay. Or the Italian-English.

[pinguino]

for those of you loving this kind of investigation trough the internet:. .. .IP address: 151.39.230.244. .No reverse lookup configured.. .Host name: <a href="http://www.millenniumairlines.net" target="_blank">www.millenniumairlines.net</a>. .. .TraceRoute to 151.39.230.244 [www.millenniumairlines.net]. .. .Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name . .1.... ... ... ... ... .9 172 157 156 195.219.15.134 if-6-0.core1.milan.teleglobe.net . .10 156 157 156 195.219.137.7 if-2-0-0.bb1.milan.teleglobe.net . .11 172 172 156 195.219.98.178 ix-12-0-0.bb1.milan.teleglobe.net . .12 172 156 172 192.94.212.37 - . .13 157 171 157 192.106.1.151 gw5. iunet.it . .14 844 750 812 195.45.1.132 bs-max-ip-132. iunet.it . .15 1000 500 188 151.39.230.244 - . .. .Trace complete. .. .Domain registry query for millenniumairlines.net:. .. .Whois Server Version 1.3. .. .Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered. .with many different competing registrars. Go to <a href="http://www.internic.net" target="_blank">http://www.internic.net</a>. .for detailed information.. .. . Domain Name: MILLENNIUMAIRLINES.NET. . Registrar: COMPUTER SERVICES LANGENBACH GMBH DBA JOKER.COM. . Whois Server: whois.joker.com. . Referral URL: <a href="http://www.joker.com" target="_blank">http://www.joker.com</a>. . Name Server: VIRUS. ITALIATELEMATICA .COM. . Name Server: VIRUS2. ITALIATELEMATICA .COM. . Updated Date: 23-feb-2002. .. .&gt;&gt;&gt; Last update of whois database: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:04:58 EST &lt;&lt;&lt;. .. .The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and. .Registrars.. .. .--------------------------------------------------------------------------------. .. .WHOIS whois.joker.com millenniumairlines.net:. .. .domain: millenniumairlines.net. .status: production. .origin-c: [email protected]#0. .organization: Millennium Airlines. .email: [email protected]#0. .title: Chairman. .address: Will House. .address: Shannon Business Park. .city: Shannon. .state: Co Clare. .postal-code: 00000. .country: IE. .admin-c: chirco@ softecsas.com #0. .tech-c: chirco@ softecsas.com #0. .billing-c: chirco@ softecsas.com #1. .nserver: virus. italiatelematica .com . .nserver: virus2. italiatelematica .com . .registrar: JORE-1. .created: 2001-03-22 10:43:04 UTC core. .expires: 2003-03-22 10:43:04 UTC . .source: joker.com. .. .db-updated: 2002-03-17 10:14:54 UTC . .. .In brief. .web site developed by <a href="http://www.softecsas.com/" target="_blank">softecsas</a>-bologna italy. .and hosted by <a href="http://www.iunet.it" target="_blank">infostrada</a>-italian telecomunication provider. .. .bye. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 21:04: Message edited by: pinguino ]</small>

[AYR521]

Pinguino,. .Thank you for the information.When are you opening aviationfordogs'forum again?. .Ciao!!

[AYR521]

BAE SYSTEMS said they did not sign any contract with Millennium Airlines for any aircraft yet but this new Irish airline claims to be waiting for delivery of 2 BAe146-300 for april 2002.

[Obi Wan Kirk]

I would be VERY careful of any Italian airline outfit wanting pilots to fork out money for type ratings. Experience has taught me that if the airline is serious they`ll pay for the training. Don`t forget that with every aircraft leased an airline gets at least 4 type rating free with every plane ordered...

[JUDY-FREE]

Has anyone been offered a job with Millennium Airlines based in SNN??

Are they a real airline or just trying their luck??

Any info would be grately received......:confused:

[FL310]

not in SNN Judy....in FLR...

[Mialo]

They were supposed to have started May/June iniatially in FLR. then a base in Shannon. However they do not yet have aircraft let alone AOC in place and it's not looking especialy good, too bad for those needing a job.

[NoJoke]

Judy - have you checked the cards? ;) :cool:

[JUDY-FREE]

Sorry NoJoke, what cards???

[Justin Abeaver]

Judy - There is quite an extensive thread on the site re this lot, and the general opinion is not to touch them with a barge pole, as it appears to be a con.

Search the site and have a good read!! It's in the "Reporting Points" section.

Justin.

[crundale]

They are real, they do exist.
But do agree Mr Abeaver, the longer it drags on (about 18 months now i think) the less I would be inclined to use your barge pole...

[FL310]

latest info is that 2 146-300 will start operating 08.06. ex FLR while 4 Avro RJ85 are being prepared to replace these 146 as well as commencing the all Avro fleet asap.

[NoJoke]

Judy-free, Sorry - just refering to your profile.... :cool:

[INLAK]

I`ve just been offered a job there. RHS of the 146. Any more developments as of the last post?

[FL310]

yep...the Avros will be in FLR soon....4 to start with, very latest built straight from Woodford.

[highfly146]

Congradulations INLAK on the the job offer!!!

But a few considerations:
1. Do not pay money upfront they do not have a AOC and it
is not arriving on the 1 st June as the gentleman claims.
2. BALPA and the contracting companies are advising to take extreme caution with this company.
3. Ring the Irish aviation authorty, their version is different from what Ugo claims. The manuals haven`t even been submitted. Then it`s a 4-6 month process in practical terms.

SO, if it starts great.
BUT don`t pass up any other jobs for it.

[FL310]

highfly...this is all very much correct, but didn't other outfits start also without own AOC...in one case I recall it was used for about 12 years...and was very satisfying for all parties involved.

Nonetheless...a careful approach is always recommended.

[highfly146]

FL310 are they going to use a borrowed AOC?
It does work, but the gentlemen concerned has never mentioned this and claims his AOC should be ready by the 1st of June.

[Chooch]

Genuine company or not - I think 'Chariots of Fire' in the background is pure class.

They searched long and hard for such quality - you can tell !

:D

[INLAK]

FL310, seems like you are either an eternal optimist or a secret insider!!

I gather there will be a charge for a differences course for the RJ? Is it all RJ or is thee a 146/RJ mix?

I think I`ll tread carefully on this one, but lets see what happens!

[FL310]

The 146-300 is planned to substitute the Avro until they are deliverd. There is no intention to operate a mixed fleet. :cool:

Intentions are to have an Avro RJ fleet but due to delays of all sorts there is of course Plan B active right now. :rolleyes:

It is amazing how much rubbish is thrown in here without refering to anything from the contract. Why are the people holding this paper in their hands are not commenting...because it is not as bad as some try to guess here. I DO NOT HAVE THAT PIECE OF PAPER! I only had the chance to read it and I have some info which I do not hold back if people ask.

No, I am not an insider.

Inlak, without optimism I could not survive, could you?

[INLAK]

Have to say I`m more of a pessimist!
I haven`t received the contract or info at the minute. I understand it`s in the post.

[alterego]

The fact is thereare very few people who know what is going on.
I had 2 E-mails from 2 different people in the company saying totally different things. I will not pay for a differences course,ever, nor wiil I sign anything until I am sure this company is okay.

[happy-cappy]

So whats the latest here?

[INLAK]

Anybody got anymore news on this one?
I`ve received the contract, and read it. I`m not sure what to make of it, it`s not exactly what I`d call a "professional looking" piece of paperwork.

[highfly146]

The latest info going around is that they are now starting on the 7 July.
But if you speak to the Authority which is issuing the AOC, it will be months before it will be issued. I hope there are no trusting pilots handing money over for this job, you could get burnt.
When you start puting all the stories together, they just don`t fit.

[Soddit]

The contract I have seen is in two parts. Part 1 appears to have been written at least originally by an English lawyer and refers to various Legislation which is, so far as I know, English law.It does, however, state that it is written in Irish Law. Part 2 of the contract appears to have been written using a PC based translation programme. It is less than straightforward to understand the true meaning.There have been previous references on this site to ex - Woodford people being involved in executive posts . Could they ( assuming they were indeed and still are involved ) or someone please give us answers to these very simple questions...
1. Which State will Issue the AOC and when. Which aircraft types will be specified.
2. Where will the simulator training be done and when. A previous post regarding cancellations seems to correspond with the facts.

Also interesting ( bit of no particular consequence)

4 DH has apparently gone to go ( sic). Are WC and AR involved?
5. Can you recommend the Holiday Inn in Manchester for writing operations manuals? Will horse charters be included?:p

[highfly146]

Soddit,
I can answer half of one of your questions.

They have applied for an Irish AOC, and it won`t be released for months. This info is current from earlier this week.

[FL310]

When I last spoke to WC he was still very optimistic and waiting for the final details about the aeroplanes. Since than a few things obviously got altered so as DH disappearing and start-date postponed. Latest was that also WC is involved somewhere else now. The horse charter would be entertaining so....:D :D

[Soddit]

FL310....''somewhere else''. In keeping with the best principles of JAR - FCL a few multi choice answers for you....choose one..

1. Manama
2. Rinas.
3. Sir Seretse Khama
4. All of the above are correct
5. None of the above are correct.

According to the answers does this perhaps suggest modified optimism? Or realism?:cool:

[FL310]

When referring to JAR and questionnaires....if in doubt, tick always the longest possible answer http://www.edonkey-town.com/forum/black/smilies/gap.gif

[highfly146]

So what`s the new start date?

[Soddit]

Allegedly 8th June tho in all fairness the year is unspecified. Rumours of forthcoming or even imminent management changes?

[VIKING9]

Is this company not CIAO-FLY in disguise ??:rolleyes:

[highfly146]

So what is Millenniums new start date now?

[Soddit]

There was allegedly an e - mail copied to selected wannabes by the TM to UM in somewhat direct terms resulting in a parting of the ways. Since a lot of hopes and aspirations rested on the TMs pedigree ( Crundale, 15 March post) these rumours, if true, may have significant consequences. Does not the TM owe it to those who placed their faith in his appointment to clarify the situation? At least to say whether he is still associated or not?The website appears to be gone..which may mean something - or nothing at all.

[AYR521]

I have met U.M. recently and he told me they want to srart on june 17.I asked him if they had already obtained an AOC the answer was yes. I doubt this is true, there is not a single evidence that this is going to be a serious start up.

[highfly146]

It seems that UM is setting up an aviation empire. He has also said that he has bought Italy First for its AOC.

[back to front]

I have had a lot of dealings with UM over the set up of the airline in SNN, and I can tell while he is very well intentioned (it appears anyway) he is going about everything the wrong way.
He has played his cards very close to his chest with those he has employed, and is very single minded on how things should be done and does not entertain comments in the form of constructive critism, in fact I know of at least 3 senior persons who had been on board at the beginning that left on less then amicable terms after questioning the way forward. Had he followed the advice of those he employeed for advice initially, he may have had an airline up and running today?!
I myself gave up a very senior post in the company as it was too hard to get reality through to UM.
My advice to anyone, is to take a cautious approach to this company.

Sorry for any spelling errors, can't find the spell checker

[Taxidriver]

Take your point backtofront - but have just been watching the Ireland game with a mate of mine over few lagers and he says he's off to Italy on June 21st for a pilot's meeting - not sure if he saud it was in Rome or Florence. Anyway hes off there with a contract for a fulltime jobbb based in Italy. he got EMail from the boss out there a vcouple offf days ago.
Scuse spelling but had to celebrate with him or was it feel sorry for him and Irish team

Ciao

[highfly146]

So, Has UM come up with a new start date?

[highfly146]

Does anybody know how is Millennium Airlines world conquest plans coming along?

[INLAK]

So what`s the latest on this one??

[Soddit]

A new Director of Operations. Start date now 'to be advised'. AOC not yet obtained. Aircraft sourcing under review, not yet agreed.

This information is, so far as I can verify it, accurate. I have no further comment!

[Nightrider]

AOC not yet obtained....now this appears to be very true considering the fact that there is not even an application for an AOC with any CAA...

[INLAK]

Did the planned pilot meeting, a couple of months ago, ever take place in Italy?

[highfly146]

The meeting did go ahead. It was realised that no AOC was obtained to date and no aircraft.
Basically the guys waiting for jobs had realised that they are wasting their time.

[Relaxed Redback]

So Finally is it finished ?

[320 crazy]

Viking 9 - Ciao-fly have ceased operations - no great suprise.

Better news is, I have heard (on great authority) that PJ McGoldrick has bought a new irish airline called EU-JetOps. This airline currently only has exec aircraft operations. Understand that PJ is pulling together a management team and rumour is that he is already negotiating deals on A320 / A321 - TLA guys - we're back!!

I am fairly certain on this info, but has anyone else heard anything???

[VIKING9]

Yes I know CIAOFLY have ceased operations, but equally Millenium haven't even started and are not likely to either.... hence why I said are they one and the same company :D

I too worked for PJ back in 1992 when the diesel 8's were plying the world's airways..... I'd go back but I don't think the ball and chain would appreciate it :rolleyes:

[highfly146]

There has been a report that Capt. M has been jailed on fraud charges.
His web site is down.
I did meet some of his FO`s which paid for their training and where now taking legal action against him.

Good to see the authorities taking action against these scams which take money from people which are desperate for jobs!!!

[GOLDRAKE]

I herd the same but I can't find any confirmation. As far as you know, is this legal action going in Italy or in Ireland? I am one of great idiots who waste his money and time and I would be glad to inform my lawyer of what is going on to the gentelman we are talking about.
Thank for all the information you can give me.

Goldrake