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Loose rivets
9th Mar 2006, 07:12
Just come in from the garage. It's about 85f in there with no A/C.:\

The starter from my gargantuan Northstar engine 32v V8 is about as easy to get at as my gallbladder. :confused: I had to get on the net just to find it. ‘It's under the cover." They said.:hmm:

Okay, cover off...Aaaaaaaagghh, just a load of molded pipes...8 I suppose, and thousands of wires and little rubber tubes going to things that let the computers tell you if you can go or not. If a computer--there are five--decides you can't go, it will give you a code. :ugh:

I'm stranded in the middle of John Wayne country, but it's okay, I have a code. Geee thanks.

The fact is, I can't stop doing this. I am compelled to take things to bits, it's genetic, and that's all there is too it. There should be some pills that one could take...but there aren't.

A month ago it was the alternator, and it took Mrs R's advice on how to get it out that saved the day that time. Now the starter. It has only not worked twice, but what can you do? Thrice and I might be in bandit country (I'm not kidding)...but taking it to a garage (whatever that is) is cheating. Motoring should cost just above nowt, even if it's the death of me.

Anyway, when I finally got the thing on the bench, it was minute. See picture...as apposed to listen to picture--which would be a complete waste of time.

It has an epi-cyclic gearbox to give it the required woomph, and if it quits, there is NO other way to start the car. No crank handle, not even a little thingie on the end of the starter. Just NO way. Pushing 4,000 lbs of tin won't help either. There is no drive lock that will get past the auto-box, so....I'm off to look for a Morris Minor as soon as I get this sold.

Y'know...it occurs to me, that if you were to take the bullet out of a .357, and fire the powder into the plug-hole, it might just start it....just don't like to get beaten. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/walnaze/beatdeadhorse.gif

BTW I've had that Avo, for over thirty years, just found a pic of my son using it when he was in junior school. Nowt like Bakelite or Bakkalita as they say here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/walnaze/Picture006.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/walnaze/Picture009.jpg

acbus1
9th Mar 2006, 07:41
I'm impressed!

Not seen anything like that since the multiple crash at Indianapolis. :\

WTF is that thing on top of the engine? Looks like 8 giant doughnuts in a wrinkly box.

(suggest a new solenoid at the very least, BTW....cheap and often the cause)



Edit....just noticed....where are the three auxilliary brush springs? You did put them somewhere safe, didn't you?
If you put it back together without those....well, need I describe the consequences...... :uhoh:

Glad to help! :ok:

Let us know how it goes! :E

frostbite
9th Mar 2006, 13:27
Since (I think) you mentioned it's an auto - could it be the starter inhibit switch that checks to see you are in N or P, playing up?

G-CPTN
9th Mar 2006, 15:15
Since (I think) you mentioned it's an auto - could it be the starter inhibit switch that checks to see you are in N or P, playing up?

NOW he tells him! :{

The fun thing is testing the starter before refitting (you WILL do that, won't you?). Small device, but powerful - don't try to hold it in your hand - it'll more than likely break your wrist, so you need to fasten it firmly (dexion in the vice - or vise if you prefer it). Ah! the pleasures of vehicle maintenance!

PS, glad to see you've used 'STB' to identify the fixings.

Lon More
9th Mar 2006, 17:45
I don't think the Northstar, or any "modern" engine was ever designed with the shade tree mechanic. Get rid of it and buy a proper Caddy, i.e. an early Coupe de Ville
http://www.dealsonwheels.com/database/cars/000188-200405-000003big.jpg

Found it here (http://www.happycarz.com/pics_and_descp.php?id=438) Yours for $35000

acbus1
9th Mar 2006, 18:05
O-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-h Go-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-d!

The wheels are not right, but what a gorgeous beast! :cool:

I want one!


Those wheels original?

acbus1
9th Mar 2006, 18:09
http://accglaamdal.com/images_memb_cars/54_cadillac_front_side.jpg

Now look what you got me Googling!

Those wheels are what the red one needs.

Whitewall/lined tyres obligatory!

White Bear
9th Mar 2006, 18:11
I’m very proud of you LR, proves you can’t keep a good Essex boy down.
For those who do not know, the starter in the V8 Northstar engine is under the intake manifold. (That’s the 8 giant donuts in a wrinkly box, acbus1)

Bad luck Rivets, as I’m told that starter problems are quite unusual in this engine.
By the way the comment about the ‘neutral safety switch’ is quite valid. Hope you didn’t do all that work for nothing….
Regards,
W.B.

G-CPTN
9th Mar 2006, 18:14
Once had access to a 1966 Cadillac Sedanca de Ville. Went like sh1t off a shovel (and in silence). Great, until I turned-off the M1 (going south) at the Hemel Hempstead turn-off (the one for the recently barbecued fuel storage depot). The carriageway tightens back on itself (and becomes two-way!). Fortunately there were no vehicles coming, as I'd neglected to reduce speed adequately and required the full width of both carriageways to recover!

acbus1
9th Mar 2006, 18:28
Ah! That's what the doughnuts are! Thanks! :ok:


Whatever the cause, I'd still change the solenoid.

I'd also give it all a clean while it's out (the starter, I mean). :E

Loose rivets
9th Mar 2006, 20:33
One is in for a beer. After rather more than 100 ‘starts' in the vice, it's on its way into the car.
I have run a diagnositcs wire back out to let me know if I get power downstream of the relay. (It always did go with a loud CLACK ! BTW)

Now for the hard bit.

Love the old Caddy pics. There are some in my hand-book which I will have to scan before selling the car.

In the late fifties / early sixties all I wanted was one of those gargantuan beasties...all that an Austin 7 Ruby wasn't. Now I would quite like a Ruby. Mind you, 800 miles in a day is typical here, so decoking on the side of the road would have to be practiced.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/walnaze/Picture017.jpg

White Bear
9th Mar 2006, 21:17
When I first arrived in the U.S. my Mother in law had a DeVille Coupe, mid 70’s vintage. It had a 500 cu inch V8 engine (8.2 liters). :( I used to open the bonnet and just look at it in wonder; each cylinder was over 1000 cc’s!
It did about 12 miles to the gallon, weighed about 5000 lbs, and was over 17ft long.
It was powder blue with a white vinyl roof, white wall tires and white leather interior.
Personally I thought it a ‘pimp mobile’, and hated to be seen riding in it.
All that metal and only 2 doors!
Be worth a small fortune now…
Regards,
W.B.

Spinflight
10th Mar 2006, 02:58
Pardon my ignorance but wern't Rolls Royce Merlins not much bigger than that V8?

White Bear
22nd May 2006, 23:42
RR Merlin was about 1650 cubic inches (27 litres), so about 1150 cu in (18,800 cc) bigger, plus 4 more cylinders, another camshaft, 2 more valves per clyinder, and of course a great big supercharger...
Regards,
W.B.:ok:

G-CPTN
23rd May 2006, 01:43
Pardon my ignorance but wern't Rolls Royce Merlins not much bigger than that V8?
http://www.woodvale-rally.org.uk/images/GroupPic2.web2.jpg
http://www.supercoolprops.com/images/merlin2resize.jpg
RR Merlin Engines

tinpis
23rd May 2006, 03:22
The Caddy V-8 was far more reliable.

MyData
23rd May 2006, 07:56
G-CPTN

At first glance I thought those were promotional shots for next week's Top Gear Challenge...

"We strapped RR Merlin engines on to trailers.. the challenge was the shortest time from John O'Groats to Lands End, IN REVERSE"

Go on Clarkson, you know you want to :E

Loose rivets
23rd May 2006, 07:57
Wow!!

Are those two pics from two different countries?

There was a local taxi driver at home in the 50s and 60s. He used two of the........aaaaaagh me brain's gone blank. The huge car with the long straight hood. Well, it would have to be long to have a Packard Merlin under it. There was quite a few in England after the war. Please tell me what they were.:ugh:

ORAC
23rd May 2006, 08:01
27 Litre RR Meteor Engine Installation (http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?p=1&f=23&t=245424&h=0) :cool:

G-CPTN
23rd May 2006, 12:32
John Dodd's 'Beast' was a special with a Ford Capri body rear end, and a fabricated front-end which included a Rolls Royce radiator grille. Dodd was an auto-transmission repairer who travelled ANYWHERE to repair Rolls-Royce car transmissions. He had a light aircraft too, but used the 'Beast' throughout Europe where its speed was legendary. The engine wasn't actually a Merlin, but a similar manifestation from a military vehicle of some sort, driving through an auto transmission (of course!). Rolls Royce were upset by his claims and publicity and opposed his use of the radiator grille. Some pictures:-
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/vauxhall/car-talk/167947-john-dodds-beast-any-info.html

Loose rivets
23rd May 2006, 17:17
That's brought back some memories!!!!!! JD phoned me one day in response to an add for my Olds 88 that I had in the UK. We got talking...as one does, and it seemed that he used a Rapide on some of his travels. Your link confirms my memories about the car catching fire.

G-CPTN
23rd May 2006, 17:37
That's brought back some memories!!!!!! JD phoned me one day in response to an add for my Olds 88 that I had in the UK. We got talking...as one does, and it seemed that he used a Rapide on some of his travels. Your link confirms my memories about the car catching fire.
Dragon Rapide or Vincent Rapide?

Loose rivets
24th May 2006, 07:22
'twas the wood and fabric type. A check ride in that had the training captain standing in the doorway.

I still can't remember the car that had the Merlin in it. it had a vast hood, long and slender, chisle straight right to the rad.

vapilot2004
24th May 2006, 09:23
'twas the wood and fabric type. A check ride in that had the training captain standing in the doorway.
I still can't remember the car that had the Merlin in it. it had a vast hood, long and slender, chisle straight right to the rad.

Perhaps it was 'the beast' :

Merlin powered motorcar (http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/vauxhall/car-talk/167947-john-dodds-beast-any-info.html)

LR: Got one of those Northstars - great engines - silly place to put a starter - Just tell me, was it better than crawling around beneath the Caddy or perhaps not....

I must tell you I am impressed. :)