Airline "Auto Check In"

[James4th]

I flew on Virgin the other day and used the auto check in system that did not require me to show any ID. Is this not a breakdown in security? Does it enable anyone to fly on someone elses ticket?

Or have I got it wrong and slipped through the system?

James

[gaunty]

I suppose the "protection" is that to obtain the credit card with which you will have paid for it, requires a 100 ID point check.

It also assumes, I guess, that the card hasn't been stolen or isn't fraudulent :rolleyes:

I must admit to wondering the same.

You still have to go throught the security screening, but it does make a mockery of the "legalities" of travelling under a false name or even being the actual passenger who occupies the seat.:confused:

[Southern handler]

yeah it does seem like a bit of a backwards step, but I suppose domestically prior to electronic ticketing most pax already had paper tickets in their hand and did not require ID

[Pimp Daddy]

I disussed it with some cust service peoples on the bus one day, because same applies to Quick Check at Qantas - their answer was that they still have to go through security, so weeding out Osama's lot, and the fraud side isn't really their business so no requirement.

[Shitsu_Tonka]

Why do you think you can find cheap no longer needed airfares in the classifieds or the trading post? Backpackers use them all the time.

You can even check in from home and print out your own boarding card.

But don't worry - we are all safer now because those pilots have to have an ASIC card now to ensure a higher level of aviation safety for all Australians.

What a crock.

[7gcbc]

They have a similar setup at T1 in LHR, for Lingus, BA and BMI for internal European flights, where you just type the booking ref and you get printed a boarding card, they do however eyeball the Passport and you must have photo id. (maybe not on FR flights tho :uhoh: )

[smile]

You still have to go throught the security screening, but it does make a mockery of the "legalities" of travelling under a false name or even being the actual passenger who occupies the seat

There is nothing stopping you checking-in at the desk, showing the staff member your ID, and then giving your boarding pass to a friend to use.

[sprucegoose]

There is nothing to stop an engineer from planting a device on the aircraft or smuggling a weapon to a passenger or crew member on board the aircraft so who really cares about the passengers getting on the plane, auto checked in or not. Oh thats right, the engineer has an ASIC....

[wirgin blew]

There is nothing stopping you checking-in at the desk, showing the staff member your ID, and then giving your boarding pass to a friend to use.

Exactly right.

What are DOTAR's doing about this....

Oh thats right they are making sure all the pilots and crew have valid ASIC's and the public aren't bringing there nail-clippers on board.

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Works for me:ok: Anything to speed up getting through the line up at ML.

Special complimentary message to the crew on DJ336 BN-ML last night. Pilot flying, compliments on your landing. It is nice to know there are still some pilots who know how to and strive for a smooth landing:ok:

[MIss Behaviour]

It's a common occurrence at Backpacker establishments to sell airfares although at ports where there is no Quick Check kiosks generally the person selling the ticket shows ID, checks in then hands over the boarding pass to the buyer.

This kind of thing becomes obvious when you get fail to board pax and the check-in person gives a physical description of what the person looked like at check-in which completely contradicts that of he or she who boards the aircraft. Ever wonder why fail to boards don't respond to being paged?

It can and indeed has come unstuck when people are travelling on a domestic sector of an international flight. The correct person shows their photo ID which is noted on the orange 'D' sticker on their boarding pass. They then handed the boarding pass over to someone else, took their money and headed off however it all turned to sh!t when the imposter is asked again for their ID by Customs when going through immigration. Result being they were denied boarding and couldn't get any money back.

Where there are Quick Check kiosks all you need is the 6 digit airline booking number which you key in and hey presto - here's your boarding pass. The only thing that will stop this practice is checking off photo ID against the boarding pass at the gate reader like they do for international flights.

So what are the legalities if someone gets 'busted' for using someone else's ticket, do they get charged? If so, is Federal or State law applicable? :suspect: :suspect:

[turbolager]

In my opinion many just blindly buy the lemon of a story that we're all being sold as 'aviation security' in the post 9-11 environment. An ID check on domestic air travel is just a stupid waste of the airlines' time and money, and contributes nothing to flight security whatsoever. This is junk science at it's finest.

As any married woman can attest, in Australia it's entirely legal to live under any name you choose to assume. You dont even need to bother making a declaration or deed poll, so the acquisition of new and seemingly legitimate identity documents is hardly difficult.

There are many dubious characters who have completely legitimate and verifiable credit cards, drivers licences, firearms permits, passports, you name it - all obtained by the parlay of lesser forged documents. Such ID's will of course pass any inspection, after all that is why they were obtained. The friendly customer service rep on your airline's tollfree line will be more than happy to explain every detail of their security policy.

ALL NINETEEN of the 9-11 hijackers had social security numbers. One of them was even listed under his assumed name in the San Diego phone book, in case someone tried to verify his alias. On the basis of their forgeries, most of them were officially issued credit cards, genuine drivers licences, and many other documents they needed to establish themselves.

Issued under assumed and fictitious names, many of these documents were used for the first time ever to rent the cars they drove to the airport that day. When they got there, their ID was as legitimate as everyone elses, and they waltzed through checkin ID checks unchallenged and unnoticed. This is the whole point of sleeper cells - to present a legitimised face, allowing them to integrate into the target country before being activated.

The study of every country's ID documentation is what the al Qaeda specialists do for a full time occupation. They invest many millions of dollars in research, testing, bribery and manipulation to set up their operatives. It would be fair to assume a certain level of sophistication that makes all this ASIO's territory, not the airlines... Osama Bin Laden won't be caught by an 18 year old checkin clerk! Because he won't be the one paying with the fake credit card from Hong Kong, or presenting the smudgey home made library card as ID.

So what does this 'ID checking' nonsense really protect us against? Credit card scammers? Escaping bank robbers? I have a very hard time believing these policies will do anything at all to stop someone intent on endangering an aircraft.

This silly charade is all based on completely false assumption. These policies represent a step towards the surveillance society of communist China, not any demonstrable improvement in aviation security!

[Shitsu_Tonka]

You seem to know a lot about the inside workings of the Al Qaeda bureaucracy Turbolager.

So tell me this - how quickly can they process an ASIC application?

Maybe they could take over from the AFP and speed things up a bit?

[turbolager]

all just common sense and reading the newspaper ****su...

[Pass-A-Frozo]

Minor problem with it the other Day. Quick checked in, yet all the quick drop BUSINESS QUICKDROP. So, went to desk and had man tell me I shouldn't be there. Explained they all said BUSINESS QUICKDROP and he said "No no, there is a couple over there that just say QUICKDROP. He checked me my bag in for me anyway and I went and looked. Still all BUSINESS QUICKDROP. 1 minutes later, two of them change to QUICKDROP. Oops! :)