Thanks Woomera

[James4th]

Thanks Woomera, that needs to be said and done! Be ruthless and cut these childlike idiots out of our forum and maybe we will get back some more intelligent readers with more to offer than the slag masters we have on now.

I for one, and there are many like me, do not visit these pages any more because we cry at the petty vindicitivness and usless fatuous comments that we find here that do no good to anyone. AND a good deal of harm to our name as pilots world wide.

So go to it man, slash and cut and thrust a swath through the unholy and the un-devote............. sorry getting carried away there..........:uhoh:

James

[Keg]

Sanctimonious crawler! ;) :}

[Chris Higgins]

Awghh c'mon, can't anyone take a joke anymore?! It's all in jest. If we can't take a joke we shouldn't be in this industry!:}

[Animalclub]

Trouble is Chris that too many people get emotional (sometimes tired too) and let their fingers run away with themselves. (Be nice - I meant on the keyboards)

[Enema Bandit's Dad]

James, if you don't visit these pages anymore, how can you have made your posting? :=

[Buster Hyman]

Hear, hear! I think fatuous is a silly word.

[Atlas Shrugged]

Chris,

Congratulations on your 400th post

[Binoculars]

Chris Higgins, you can't honestly believe the people referred to are speaking even remotely in jest?

I think I've mentioned before that had I never met a pilot of any kind and had formed my opinions of them from what I read in D&G, I would be convinced that as a body they are generally semi-literate, thin-skinned, envious, gleeful at others' misfortunes, quick to launch into personal abuse at the slightest perceived provocation, and above all, self-absorbed to the point of being utterly incapable of seeing themselves as anything but the centre of the universe.

Fortunately I have met many pilots, am friends with many pilots and enjoy the company of pilots generally, so I know these generalisations to be false. Perhaps it's just that none of the pilots I've known ever post to Dunnunda? No, I don't think so. So we have to look elsewhere for the answer, and the truth may be unpalatable when found.

I have basically given up visiting Dunnunda beyond a weekly check, and I rarely feel like posting anything. No loss, some might opine with justification. But the reputation of the Dunnunda forum is woeful, and IMO makes the whole of Australian aviation a laughing stock, hardly the desired reason for its existence. I think it's easy to understand why the Woomeri may want to clean up the act, and I wish them well.

[James4th]

The defense rests:)

James

[Keg]

Woomera should bring back the 10 thingies.....geez, how long ago was that now! :eek:

[Woomera]

About 4 or 5 years ago. :)

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[BHMvictim]

I am guessing that this thread has something to do with my banning for 5 days.

Now that I am allowed back, I may be allowed to put things straight.

My post, for which I was banned, was simply an analogy. Nothing more. Nobody, that I have spoken to, could interpret my post as anything but an analogy. I realise that it was probably a bad analogy to choose, however.

I sent several emails to pprune clarifying this and requesting permission to edit the post, however I recieved absolutely no feedback.

To the person who found this post offensive, my apologies.

[victor two]

Yes yes. But when we need to read and acknowledge twenty pages of pre-amble before we can come on line and express an opinion that is not entirely politically correct or factually perfect then it really starts to become something like hard work. I feel that D&G has become a bit too serious over the last few months. Let's be honest, if I come online and rip it into someone who I feel desreves it or debate an emotive issue then I certainly expect to get fully hammered back and takle it in good faith. That's ( or that was) half he fun.

I hope that pprune and it's team on mods don't let the feel good, politically correct whingers and legal squeezers spoil what remains of a decent forum of wholesome but light-hearted debate. I notice that there are quite a few absentee posters these days, probably banned forever over a throw-away comment that was deemed by someone too be too inflamatory ...but was laughed off by the target itself. To me, that doesn't make any sense but you do have your ten things to consider I guess .....

[gaunty]

victor two Fair comment and what D & G was famous for, very robust and clever, but basically polite well at least in the manner that Australians call polite anyway. :E :}

I learnt many many moons ago what we find normal or clever in the form of Oz ribaldry is either offensive or at the best very confusing to our American cousins. There are even places there, where it can get you killed.:{

Unfortunately we are losing it bigtime in Oz as well as Peter Costello very accurately pointed out today.

Of late there has been a tendency by posters to cross that line.

It's called balance and it is a hard one to, well, balance.:p :{

[Gnadenburg]

This political correctness will be the downfall of the Western world.....


Lets take it all full circle and start again.


So what happend in 1989? :} :} :}

[Keg]

Geez Woomerii....the more things change, the more they stay the same! :}

[Woomera]

:}

The above sticky is NOT about turning D&G into a PC knitting circle...it IS about reclaiming it for the grownups...PPrune used well is a powerfull tool for good...witness the airspace debacles that I believe Pprune helped avert.

Used in the manner we see here far to often it is a rod for our own backs...a conduit direct to management giving them aid and comfort in their ongoing efforts to devide the pilot body and run roughshod over one group or another.

I have just deleted a thread titled 'JPC spineless' before anyone had a chance to reply...and we will continue to do so until ppruners realise that rational, reasoned, adult discourse is welcomed....childish bs like the above will not be.

[Shitsu_Tonka]

I endorse the spirit - but I wish you a great deal of good luck.

[Pinky the pilot]

Jeez Gnadenburg, You wanna get us all banned??:E :E
Suggest you open another good Eden Valley red!:ok: :ok:

You only live twice. Once when
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[The Voice]

awww Pinky .. when I got to Gnaden's post I damn near fell off my chair laughing! Given the spirit of this thread, it was funny! :D

[Pinky the pilot]

Voice; In truth I actually agree! However, I'm also old and cynical enough to hold the view that some amongst us would want to revisit the subject in the 'same old.....':{

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[Taildragger67]

Sanctimonious crawler! ;) :}

That's got to be one of the longest words ever seen on PPRuNe.

And certainly one of the longest to be spelt correctly!

[Keg]

:}
I have just deleted a thread titled 'JPC spineless' before anyone had a chance to reply....

Shame. I got a reply in- or at least I thought I did.....I hear knocking at the door and a see a car with dark windows outside......:eek: :}

lol. Lucky guess I think Taily! ;)

[Woomera]

Gee, you register a new pseudonym today and lead with that?

Lets not start another flame war. How about we all encourage the J* pilots to 'just say no' and leave it at that without labelling anyone 'spineless' and so on! The time for name calling is past. Time for all group pilots to unite is certainly here. United we stand, divided we beg. We've been doing lots of begging for the last few years!

So you did...I didn't notice it before...I reproduce here as an example for all to see.:p

Sanctimonious...what a lovely word...well made me laugh:} :ok:

[Pass-A-Frozo]

naa.. sycophant is better :}

[The Voice]

really, I guess we're all a bunch of recalcitrant recidivists. :\





I'll get my coat ......

[Buster Hyman]

...Don't forget fatuous!

[4Greens]

Thank you Woomera and the team.

[geeup]

What happened to the days when if walked like a duck, talked like a duck, you could call it a DUCK!:hmm: If something stupid is happening in the industry why not have it posted. :cool:

All in all thou Woomera runs a great site.:ok:

[Woomera]

geeup. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck, in this forum you may call it a duck!

Our concern has been in what else it is being called, on a far, far too regular basis.

Over the past week the Woomera team have debated at length the declining standards of debate in PPRuNe and conscious decisions have been made with respect to irrational slagging and personal and vexatious attacks on other users, simply because they do not share another users views.

Those days are gone. Back to the Rules of PPRuNe and The Ten Thingies.

And geeup, for an insight into "behind the scenes", the Woomera team collectively volunteer something in the region of 2,000 hours per annum moderating Dunnunda to ensure it has appeal to the widest possible cross section of the professional pilot spectrum, representing the widest range of views. In that, I believe we - Woomera and our PPRuNe users - have achieved notable success.

A suggestion was made else where that Woomera may have been "knobbled" over an engineering thread. The suggestion is far to ludicrous to even warrant a response.

Sunshine Woomera

[RENURPP]

Does that mean we are allowed to use the term "spineless Ducks"? :confused:

[Apophis]

Seems some people are very touchy about this god forbid a bad word would be said about Qantas.

[geeup]

Woomera i mean no offence.

I think you and your team do an excellent job and im sure that without your input the site would turn into a b*tching and sh*t throwing contest in no time.

However sometimes voices need to be heard for good or bad reasons hence the freedom of speech.

I would like to reiterate that I think your team do a fine job and as a matter of fact better then I or most other people who visit this site could do.

Keep up the good work and have a little fun in the sand pit:ok:

[Brian Abraham]

Something I came across a long time ago.

"Aviation attracts usually reasonably well educated and articulate, but individualistic people. You throw them all together in a room and it can be quite scary."

Woomera, on that basis I think you have quite a job on your hands (riding herd on a group of five year olds on a school outing has to be a doddle). You and team do a great job.

[Woomera]

Apophis. Were necessary, Qantas or any other airline may be praised or criticised - it is the rational, reasoned manner in which is said that is critical.

And accept others may not share your view and post a counter perspective, again in a reasoned and rational manner.

It is the irrational, pointless and often vexatious posts and posts slagging other users personally because they hold a different view to you, which will cease.

There is no intention to remove the Aussie humour and fun this sand pit is renown for!

Let me make it abundantly clear: The Dunnunda Moderators are not biased for, or against any airline or operator, no airline or operator ever influences our moderating of any thread, nor is our moderating of any thead or post influenced either by personal opinion or any intention to "protect" any carrier or operator.

We too post here under our own user names and in that capacity, post our opinions and views as normal PPRuNe users.

BHMvictim. No, you are not the point of this thread. I sent you to Coventry as I read your post as threatening either to those who held a differing view to your own, or different to another specific user. Whether I misinterpreted your post is irrelant - I found the tone offensive. I'm sure we now understand each other!

:ok:

Sunshine Woomera

[Woomera]

Sunshine Woomera.....I like it.:ok:

About time you got yer own handle :8

Woomera (Eastern States)

P.S. Now all we need is Woomera (Sandgrouper) , Woomera (Ethereal) and we're on the way to a whole team:} :} :}

Sorry 'bout the hijack. Damn those 10 thingies:E

[The Voice]

uh oh .. look out .. they're breeding! :p

[Chimbu chuckles]

:uhoh: We're surrounded....run for the hlls....:E

[gaunty]

Too late;

http://images.entertainmentearth.com//AUTOIMAGES/NC04320lg.jpg

[Torres]

Gaunty. Photoshop certainly improves your looks! :ok:

I'll bet your kids count their blessings they look like their mother.

:}

[bushy]

Apophis. - it is the rational, reasoned manner in which is said that is critical.
And accept others may not share your view and post a counter perspective, again in a reasoned and rational manner.
It is the irrational, pointless and often vexatious posts and posts slagging other users personally because they hold a different view to you, which will cease.
Sunshine Woomera


Does this include the Dick Bashers too??

[gaunty]

Torres they are indeed and beautiful are they indeed .:p

bushy
it is the rational, reasoned manner in which is said that is critical. unless you describe the MO of another organisation that defines anything critical of their activities or their received wisdom as ANTI them and therefore ANTI GA.:)

[Disco Stu]

Now that we have a Sunshine Woomera, how long will it be before we have a Moonshine one as well?:{

Seriously, your work here is recognised and appreciated.:ok:

Disco Stu

[bushy]

bushy
unless you describe the MO of another organisation that defines anything critical of their activities or their received wisdom as ANTI them and therefore ANTI GA.:)

Is this the sort of thing that Woomera is talking about??

[Bolty McBolt]

When did sledging stop being used in the day-to-day Aussie vernacular?

When did stirring stop being our national sport?

[BHMvictim]

BHMvictim. No, you are not the point of this thread. I sent you to Coventry as I read your post as threatening either to those who held a differing view to your own, or different to another specific user. Whether I misinterpreted your post is irrelant - I found the tone offensive. I'm sure we now understand each other!
:ok:
Sunshine Woomera
Strange. Every colleague that has mentioned my banning is astounded that I was banned for 5 days, let alone at all! Other posters in that thread also came to my defence! NOBODY I have spoken to found it offensive and EVERY person has stated that it was obvious what the point of my post was. I have NOT indulged in any name calling in any of my posts. Nor have I ever verbally abused any members.

I do see however, that another user made a CLEAR racial slur in response to my post. He, however, was not banned!

I am offended that you consider me “thuggish”. It was a CLEAR analogy, as stated by every person I have spoken in relation to my banning.

Enough now. I shall shut up until such time that us mere QF engineers have something worthy to discuss.

[confoutre]

Shouldn't the plural of Woomera be Woomerae. Unless Woomera is already the plural version of Woomerum. Cogito ergo sum.....

[victor two]

I would have thought that the aim of running a website in the first place was to provide a place that members enjoy visiting, a site that suits their character. D&G was a place where aussies could have a dig at some twit who deserved it or drop the odd inflamatory rumour and watch the results with joy. Lets face it, a website called "Pilots Rumour Network" is hardly going to be taken as a serious forum for "grown ups" , as you call them, to exchange fair minded and impartial ideas in a concise and legally accountable manner. If that's what you want to turn this into then I wish you luck. Maybe change the name to " Professional Pilots Very Serious Aviation Issues Network"

Wouldn't a better idea be to allow the "victims" of any attacks that may be hurtful or legally harmful to one's business to contact the moderators and request that the thread be edited or closed??? If not, let it run it's course.
My feeling is that if you make the D&G forum serious and boring then you will just end up killing it off to all but those who thrive in that sad little world.

If I want a staig and conservative aviation education I'll go and sit in the corner and read Jane's Aviation weekly.

Anyway sunshine woomera or smurf woomera or fluffy woomera whatever you are calling yourself............. you know best of course.

[Waka Rider]

Is it going to be like the cricket now, only light beer:yuk: on the terraces:{ :

[Fantome]

victor two . . . . . precisely my sentiments. If the 'Thought Police' are going to 'moderate' the healthy open slather aspects of this joint and put a kind of PC dampener on the supposed 'free exchange' of opinion. . . . I'll tell you what. . . . the 'gun' shearers will be off to another shed. . . and as likely getting in another cook. (One who won't lace the compote with so many effing prunes.)

[ys120fz]

I agree with the thread starter; in fact that's why I'm back after a few months off trekking through India.

In fact, I'll go a little further. Prune should initiate an IQ test (only those over 140 admitted), and a spelling test, and a grammar test, etc.

Hang on, I may be the only one here. Never mind, no dissenting opinions and therefore slagging.

I agree that the collective Wommerae have a difficult task, but made infinitely more difficult by those who enter here.

[LookinDown]

I dont believe there is any need to define the nature of posts as the current controls work well.

Allow people to post what they will subject to the moderators editing or deleting statements which are obviously highly defamatory or just plain bastardry or shutting down threads if considered necessary.

[James4th]

I was trawling through the Rumour and News forum as a bit light relief from what this threat is about. And I found a couple of posts that I thought "That's not very nice!" and yes, sure enough, you guessed it:- They were posted by Aussies. Or at least that is what the home address said.

Just go and have a look and see if you can spot the Aussie without looking at the address first. Also have a look and see if any other nationality is consistantly slagging off people for no reason.

[BelfastChild]

Woomera is actually an Aboriginal word - it is a stick with a peg in one end that fitted the butt of a spear and acted as a kind of spear-thrower. As it is not Latin, then Woomeri, Woomerii, Woomerae and Woomera are all inaccurate as plurals. My knowledge of Aboriginal does not extend far enough to know how to pluralise, but whenever I have seen it written down, it has always been as Woomeras.

[Atlas Shrugged]

http://www.leicestergalleries.com/gfx/13682.jpg

[Woomera]

DADDY!!!!:) :ok:

[Woomera]

I thought I'd burned all my nude photo's:8

Okay, fess up Atlas. Have you been going through my rubbish bin again? :}

[pakeha-boy]

Personally....getting a week "on the beach "from woo wasnt that bad...I would rather have got "6 of the best",as that was something I recieved on a regular basis., as a young lad......but sitting in the corner for a week with that "cone" thing on my head was cruel and unjust punishment.........therefore I propose the Woomera get the same treatment,...just so that he knows what its like,and he can add his name to this elite group of individuals....all those in favour say ...."I"

[Binoculars]

If the 'Thought Police' are going to 'moderate' the healthy open slather aspects of this joint and put a kind of PC dampener on the supposed 'free exchange' of opinion. . . . I'll tell you what. . . . the 'gun' shearers will be off to another shed. . .

Don't let the shed door hit you in the arse on the way out, GUN. :hmm:

[Woomera]

Sunny Woomera is paxing on an SQ B777 departing Brisvegas for Singapore at 1500 Tuesday, March 7 and Singapore to Kolkata on Wednesday.

Compliments of the crew, expressions of gratitude, First class upgrades etc may be may be sent aft - preferably inscribed on the label of a complimentary iced Bolinger or Moet & Chandon's Dom Perignon of appropriate vintage!

:} :} :} :}

Sunny Woomera

[Binoculars]

*sigh*... power corrupts, and........

[Buster Hyman]

Travelling SQ eh? One smells the faint odour of conflict of interest methinks....;) :} :ouch:

[pakeha-boy]

yeah mate...amazing how one can abuse ones position in life...no name calling of course..that will get you a week on the beach!!!!

[Pinky the pilot]

Binos,Buster & Pak I think that this comes under the heading of 'Rank hath it's privileges.' :* :E

You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.

[Binoculars]

And i think that I should probably have placed a ;) in my post on the wild chance that somebody took it seriously. :hmm:

[Buster Hyman]

I did Bino's, but it made no difference!:} :ouch:

[Woomera]

Hmmmph doesn't always work you know, last time I tried that, I wound up in the rearmost row against the wc bulkhead jammed between fat and fatter, we had to breath in turn, and "I'm sorry we are not sure we have a meal for you" :{ musta been a controversial banning somewhere. :p

Being a mod van be a two edged sword.:(

[Woomera]

Well, Sunny Woomera is now in the Oberoi Hotel, Kolkata (Calcutta). Trip here was in Mr Boeing's wonderful 777 @ss hauler. What a great machine!! The Bolinger and Dom didn't arrive but I must admit, Singapore Airlines catering and service was first class.

The Kolkata Oberoi is 115 years old and has been refurbished ... somewhere in the dim distant past! And the traffic here - when the horn fails I sure they trade the cars in!

Be good whilst I'm away!

:} :} :}

Sunny Woomera

[Chris Higgins]

Wonder how long any of those drivers would last on PPrune?!:}