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rotornut
2nd Feb 2006, 17:35
Airline CEO Latest Victim Of Airport Gestapo

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | February 2 2006

Just when you thought TSA screening horror stories couldn't get any more anathema to common sense, the latest victim of the little Hitler airport Gestapo proves otherwise.

Let's brush aside for the moment the fact that Margaret Jackson is the CEO of a major world airline company and judge whether her appearance would set alarm bells ringing. A blonde haired bespeckled Australian women in her 50's. About as far away from Mohammed Atta as you can possibly imagine.

Yet when the TSA rifled through her bag last year at Los Angeles Airport, their discovery of aircraft diagrams got them salivating. "Why have you got all this this?" one asked. "'I'm the chairman of an airline. I'm the chairman of Qantas," replied Margaret. "But you're a woman," replied the TSA goon.

And so along with pregnant white women, senators and 4-year-old boys, Margaret, a woman who has officially opened airport runways became the latest airline terror threat to America.

After a one hour interrogation and with TSA officials unimpressed by Margaret's production of official Quantas letterhead documents, she devised a way out that speaks volumes about the nature of this whole farce.

She simply wrote a note to the TSA official saying that she was CEO of Quantas and signed it.

They let her go.

In this instance she was defining authority. She was giving the goon squad authorization to release her, knowing that kind of mindset only responds to following orders and protocol, even if they completely defy common sense.

Which is why we have a situation where not one item of cargo that enters the plane is inspected but Grandpa has to remove his shoes because he might be a suicide bomber.

This is why we will continue to hear stories about innocent people being unable to remove themselves from no fly lists and bewildered travelers being terrorized and shamed by policies that do nothing to protect America but do everything to bullwhip Americans into thinking it is normal to have their 4th amendment violated every time they leave the house.

Airbubba
2nd Feb 2006, 17:41
"Quantas"? I can see where she would have a recognition problem outside Oz...

Chippie Chappie
2nd Feb 2006, 17:45
Thanks ROTORNUT,

But please remember that QANTAS is an acronym for Queensland and Northern Territory Air Service and therefore has no U (even though it appears as such in the text).

Chips

hobie
2nd Feb 2006, 19:51
fear not rotor .... we all fall into the trap of copying text with 'Tiny' spelling mistakes, from time to time .... we all knew what you were talking about ....:p

just out of interest I put 'quantas airlines' into a respectable search engine and came up with over a 1/4 million links ..... :eek:

av8boy
2nd Feb 2006, 20:19
And the calmer version... :rolleyes:


Qantas chief frisked as terrorism suspect
John Masanauskas
11jan06

QANTAS chairman Margaret Jackson was suspected of being a terrorist and frisked during a visit to the US last year.

The airport security guard who checked her was reluctant to believe that a woman could be the head of an airline.
Mrs Jackson said yesterday her briefcase was searched after she went through a security check at Los Angeles airport.

Among her documents were detailed plans of new aircraft, including cross-section diagrams showing seat layouts.

"The guy said `Why have you got all of this?'," she told the Herald Sun.

"And I said, `I'm the chairman of an airline. I'm the chairman of Qantas'. And this black guy, who was, like, eight foot tall, said, `But you're a woman',"

Mrs Jackson revealed the incident yesterday in Beijing during a media conference to promote Qantas' new direct flights between Australia and Beijing. She raised it after a Chinese journalist complained that airport security at Australian airports was the most strict after the US.

Mrs Jackson, who was travelling with her husband, said her LA experience took about an hour.

After proving her identity, Mrs Jackson produced paper with her letterhead on it and wrote a note to the guard, whose name was Bill.

"And I wrote, `Dear Bill, this is from the chairman of Qantas, who is a woman'."

Qantas will resume flights to Beijing after pulling out of the market in the late 1990s because of low bookings.

But tourism and business links with China are booming and more than two million Chinese are expected to visit Australia annually by 2025.

Qantas is operating three flights a week between Beijing and Sydney, but this is expected to increase to daily within two years.

Direct services from Melbourne will be considered later depending on demand.

stilton
2nd Feb 2006, 22:36
Truly one of the worst things to come out of 9/11 is the TSA.

As American crew members we almost look forward to dealing with security
outside the US as we are treated politely and with a modicum of respect.

Give a little man a badge and a litlle authority...

Professor Yaffler
2nd Feb 2006, 23:05
Why is it I always have to show my passport at JFK to buy a beer at the bar. I'm 42 for christ sake! (and looking it too) My buddy is ten years older and nearly bald and got treated the same.
Do these people leave their brains at home in jars before they go to work?
Is thinking not taught in schools in the US?

junior_man
3rd Feb 2006, 02:05
(After 9/11 airline workers wanted some real security in the USA. Something beyond the old man with a flashlight kind.

What was a decent idea was completely bungled (like many other things) by the present administration.)



More about the TSA. From the Boyd Group, an aviation consulting firm.

And They Tell Us We're Safer
The Creature From The Bureaucracy Lagoon

The Blob.

Anybody remember that 1950's classic, starring a then-unknown actor named Steve McQueen? It related to some sticky mass of goo that kept growing and growing, devouring everything in sight. It would slide under doorways, around corners, over cars all the while getting bigger and bigger. It had no brain. It had no direction. It had no purpose except to ooze all over the place, gobbling up people and making a mess of things. Once it got onto or into something, nothing known to man could get rid of it.

It was a fun, campy science fiction movie. It could never happen in real life.

Think again. The Blob is here. In real life.

Only, now it's called The Transportation Security Administration.

It is truly a Blob. It is huge, and getting bigger all the time. It has no direction. It has no real idea of what it's supposed to do, except ooze all over our transportation system, growing larger by the day, aimlessly screwing things up, and devouring increasingamounts of taxpayer dollars.

Yes, it is the bureaucratic Blob. Except in this case there ain't no Steve McQueen to save us from it.

We have yet more proof of this, supplied again by Mr. Steve Elson, a former FAA inspector, and one of the few experts who dare to tell the truth about the TSA.

Growing - Even As We Speak! See, while the media is busy and distracted swooning about how the TSA will now let scissors and screwdrivers onto airplanes, the TSA Blob continues to ever-expand.

The latest example is yet another layer of administrative sewage, in the formation of something called the Office
of Transportation Sector Network Management.

Just what we need at the TSA, an organization whose track record reads like a defunct Soviet bureaucracy. Yet another "Office of," complete with lots and lots of staffing and maybe be a dozen or so new "General Manager" positions to be filled, covering all areas of transportation, including airlines, rail, maritime, pipeline, etc.

Forget Terrorism. Let's Just Feel Good. The new General Manager job, according to a memo published by the head of the TSA, will be responsible for "establishing" relationships with government and industry "partners" to assure "cohesive and consistent communications related to transportation security."

And here are the qualifications that the TSA is seeking for this General Manager position:

Applicants for these exciting detail assignments must have experience in leading complex organizations, building external relationships, fostering teamwork and collaboration. Additionally, the General Manager must possess a demonstrated capability to leverage resources, and to engage industry and governmental partners in the execution of TSA's mission.

As Steve Elson points out, there is an important word missing from this breezy description of qualifications for the "exciting" position of General Manager. Notice what that word is? It's SECURITY. These bozos are out hiring high-level staff without any requirement that they know diddly about security. Nor is there any requirement to have expertise in the specific area of transportation that the job would supposedly cover.

Sure, there's the requirement that applicants come from certain levels within the TSA, but as we've seen with stellar patronage appointments like Mineta's press secretary and the assistant FSD at Newark, that by itself isn't any guarantee of past expertise in security matters.

Amateurs v Terrorists. That's probably what makes the job so "exciting" - the applicants don't need to know squat about security or the segment of the transportation system the position will cover. It's all OJT - a great way to protect the nation from professional terrorists.

Now,let's compare and contrast. While this grand expansion is going on, the fact is that the TSA has absolutely no cohesive, focused security plan for our nation's airports, seaports, railroads, and pipelines. No anticipative planning for each airport's vulnerabilities. No contingency or mitigation plan to contain the damage a terrorist event might cause. None. Nada. Mei-you. But this job is intended not to address that shortcoming, but to "bring everyone together," sort of like a great big, multi-officed Rodney King. "Can't we all just get along?"

Just like The Blob: no brain, no real purpose, except to eat money and mess things up further by hiring more bureaucrats whose "qualifications" are simply having been a bureaucrat.

This new office should fit well with some of the totally un-qualified people currently in key TSA jobs. Former press secretaries, personnel-types, and who knows what other escapees from the labor pool. Now, this bureaucratic mass of glutinous goo will be working to add more non-qualified people into jobs that probably never should have been created in the first place. But not one bit of this tightens national security.

Sure, we are just kicking butt in the war on terror.

We have sophisticated terroristorganizations actively planning to kill Americans, and this is the quality of our response.

Only thing fixin' to get "executed" is common sense and any chance of a viable defense against terrorism. The TSA's mission, apparently, is to hire lots of people, create safe jobs for politically-connected hacks, and make grand press announcements like this. The new bureaucratic Blob lives.

Anybody who claims the TSA has made us safer is deluded. Or worse.

Let's cut again to the chase. The Transportation Security Administration is a national corrupted fraud. There is no other way of putting it, because that is an indisputable fact, proven over and over again.

But Let's Not Criticize. Even more despicable are some of the Quisling leaders in certain alphabet organizations in Washington who know what the situation really is, and could raise their voices. But instead they actively collaborate and actively encourage the individuals in charge of this boondoggle. Power in Washington is paramount, even if it means playing along with inept security that puts the nation at risk.

They know better. But they also know where their power base is, too.

______________

Jordan D
3rd Feb 2006, 02:56
Not flaming, but an honest question: is this a repeat occurance, or was this a new report on the incident from a few weeks back?

Jordan

MarkD
3rd Feb 2006, 03:12
Jordan D

old news indeed - this one ran for a while on D&G
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205772&highlight=Margaret+Jackson

Airbubba
3rd Feb 2006, 03:12
>>Not flaming, but an honest question: is this a repeat occurance, or was this a new report on the incident from a few weeks back?

This is just a rehash of the incident inspired by an editorial at a wacko paranoid conspiracy theory website.

"Quantas" may be a big deal in Australia but most Americans have never heard of it. Most American airline CEO's wouldn't be recognized in Australia (or the U.S. for that matter).

imabell
3rd Feb 2006, 03:23
has anybody tried a co2 fire extinguisher on the tsa, that seemed to work on the blob.:confused:

Ignition Override
3rd Feb 2006, 04:17
Year ago there was a story about an American woman who stepped from the plane in Austr. and asked "What language do they speak here?"

One unfortunate American couple rented a car and drove into the Outback. After fuel and water ran out, that was it. They must have assumed that it was a very tiny country. Or they were in Austria, near alpine streams, somewhere?

Roadtrip
3rd Feb 2006, 05:05
TSA was only meant to give the appearance of security. If the republicans and democrats wanted real security, instead of politically correct pap, they'd institute a real program of profiling.

BHMvictim
3rd Feb 2006, 06:42
"Quantas" may be a big deal in Australia but most Americans have never heard of it. Most American airline CEO's wouldn't be recognized in Australia (or the U.S. for that matter).

So hard to see outside those borders!

Ray D'Avecta
3rd Feb 2006, 07:02
:} .........this is hilarious........
"'I'm the chairman of an airline. I'm the chairman of Qantas," replied Margaret. "But you're a woman," replied the TSA goon.

....must have been like being on the set of a "Carry On..." movie. :}
ROTFLMAO

VIKING9
3rd Feb 2006, 07:17
Ah yes, but in order to take your minds off the security debacle in USA, Mr Bush has now conceded that Americans are "greedy for oil". Those 3 words will also divert people away from the fact that the US are about to head to Iran, and it's not to fill up the tankers :\

Security + Oil + Iran = A country in crisis. IMHO :cool:

vapilot2004
3rd Feb 2006, 08:41
"Quantas" may be a big deal in Australia but most Americans have never heard of it.

Maybe I am the exception, but Qantas has been entirely familiar to me for many, many years before I ever set foot out of the country.

AB, you're probably right about a typical American - but now we have JT's 707 tour and the commercials - plus how in the blue blazes could anyone not notice that big roo ?




The TSA, as a governmental response is - in a word - typical. :(

One thing for sure , even if the :mad: terrorists have Bowie knives and a scimitar - it'll never happen again like Sept 11 - PAX will not be intimidated for long. The miserable :mad: will be beaten down to the cabin floor and end up with coffee urn marks about their skulls and Joe business suit's cheap Cross pen in their eyes.

I think we had lost our innocence (the hardest way) but gained a great deal of learned courage from that day.

BikerMark
3rd Feb 2006, 08:49
Well, QANTAS got pretty good publicity in "Rain Man", so somebody in the US must have heard of them.

Taildragger67
3rd Feb 2006, 12:13
Bubba,

That isn't the point, son.

There are lots of people who travel the world every day who, due to their business, carry 'sensitive' documents. Pretty well any architect, civil engineer, lawyers and bankers working on large-scale projects, interior designers, company managers (eg. when we were rejigging our building interiors, our managers were running around for weeks with building plans, trying to sort their departments' seating arrangements), government officials (who may not - gasp! - be Americans). The rub here is that she was legitimately carrying papers related to her business and needed to jump through hoops to prove that... and that a woman could hold a senior management position in the industry.

Should such people notify the authorities before they travel, that they may be carrying sensitive documents? What would happen if your CEO had been up to Seattle to discuss fit-outs? He would probably return to his base with a briefcase full of a/c plans. Oh, but a) he's male and b) he's American. So we trust him.

The fact that she is Australian and that most Americans don't know where Australia is, is immaterial.

Moreover, Qantas has at least SEVEN 747s into LAX each day, so the goon in question ('working' at the terminal QF use) would have had at least a passing acquaintance with the existence of the organisation. So we're not talking about 'most Americans' here.

More material is that this nong needs to be dragged into the 20th (let alone 21st) century. A good start might be telling him that the person with access to probably more of the US's 'sensitive' plans and capabilities than anyone else is (gasp!) a diminutive black woman! (Not that she needs to bother herself with airport terminals, of course... )

Heilhaavir
3rd Feb 2006, 12:29
Good post Taildragger!

Max Angle
3rd Feb 2006, 12:50
Well, QANTAS got pretty good publicity in "Rain Man", so somebody in the US must have heard of them.Particularly, you would think, airport security personnel.

MyData
3rd Feb 2006, 15:17
On airport security staff knowing the airlines...

Recently at MAN I headed for the BMI lounge while sleepwalking. Arrived, sat down, got coffee. Asked why the flight to Toulouse wasn't appearing on the board. I had strolled into domestic departures (doh!).

Escorted back to the security point where the 'man in charge' took over and publically berated the young lady on the desk checking boarding cards. She pointed out that she didn't know where 'TLS' was and how was she expected to know every destination and if it was in the UK or not???

Quick dash through the terminals and on board just in time.

ExSimGuy
3rd Feb 2006, 15:44
will be beaten down to the cabin floor and end up with coffee urn marks about their skulls and Joe business suit's cheap Cross pen in their eyes.
No - the coffee urn and Cross pens were confiscated by TSA:mad:

I've flown for some 30 years (and far from infrequently) but recently had one of these TSA guys confiscate a 30-cent cigarette lighter. Yes, I know it's "flammable gas under pressure", but it wouldn't work otherwise!:sad:

(And with the current "no smoking" policy in certain (mostly US) airports, even where you used to be able to "light up" in "desgnated areas", I want to have some means of lighting a cigarette when I finally get clear of my arrival airport where the "designated smoking area" on arrivals is outside! - don't want to "thread drift" here regarding smoking and non-smoking. Some people smoke - get over it!)

I have to admit that the TSA guys (and gals) have always been polite and courteous in their dealings with me, but some of the things one hears and experiences make one wonder about training and "mental skills", and how much safer we really are.

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