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D SQDRN 97th IOTC
2nd Feb 2006, 16:21
traffic in the centre lane of motorway doing 70 in the UK when the inside lane is empty, or
traffic with fog lights on when it's just not foggy (give 'em penalty points I say.....)

is there any other traffic behaviour that really gets your goat?
motorcycles weaving in an out of traffic?
undertaking?
tailgating?

what's the worst? what really gets your goat?

for me, it's the mother on the school run with fog lights blazing not watching the flow of traffic but looking for a place where she can double park for a few minutes.........

eal401
2nd Feb 2006, 16:24
What gets my goat is that none of the above is detectable by speed cameras, yet that is the be all and end all of road safety enforcement. (In Lancashire certainly.)

Onan the Clumsy
2nd Feb 2006, 16:31
I think it's people who smoke cigarettes. They should be dipped in boiling oil :*

ExSimGuy
2nd Feb 2006, 16:34
traffic in the centre lane of motorway doing 70 ......
Out here, you get them doing 50 in the centre lane while the inside is always empty :(

And on motorways with four lanes, the 50mph lot are often in the 3rd lane, leaving law-abiding 75mph (like me;) , speed limit 120 kph here) and the maniacs in Mercs and Camrys doing a ton all competing for the outside lane.

And then there's the BMW coming up behind you, when the outer lane is full, as well as the centre, flashing his Xenon high beam to tell everyone they must pull over (impossible) 'coz he's doing 100+ and doesn't want to slow down (usually squeezes past on the fast-side hard shoulder, with inches to spare) :mad:

joe2812
2nd Feb 2006, 17:14
motorcycles weaving in an out of traffic?

Out of interest, have you ever ridden a motorcycle? Is it just the fact they get through traffic quicker than you that gets your goat?

What really irritates me is people who don't indicate at roundabouts. And even those who do don't do it properly. I'll wait for a blatent and obvious gap than risk it.

chevvron
2nd Feb 2006, 17:22
Brand new BMW or Mercedes with non-working indicators; at least I assume they don't work 'cos the drivers of said vehicles NEVER indicate direction of turn.

Devlin Carnet
3rd Feb 2006, 08:53
Can somebody please tell me exactly what is wrong with doing 70mph in the centre lane of a three lane motorway.
If it is too slow for you and you want to break the law, you can overtake in the outside lane.
The reason I stay in the centre lane is to avoid weaving in and out of the left hand lane to overtake vehicles travelling at 55 mph.
..now stuff off :ok:

Whirlygig
3rd Feb 2006, 09:27
Hey! We've found someone who admits doing it!!

Firstly, the basic rule of driving is "Keep Left". The Highway Code says you should move into the inside lane. If you cannot get past the vehicle in front (i.e. you're in the middle lane and the other vehicle is in the inside lane) within one minute, then pull into the inside lane. That is what is wrong with it.

You're not weaving, you're obeying the rules of the road and it's good driving practice and it's good manners.

Yes, OK, a faster driver CAN go out into the outside lane and then they are the one having to do the "weaving".

What about a car in the inside lane going faster than you and comes up to you still in the middle lane? Do you really expect them to go all the way round you or is it safe for them to carry on in the inside lane on the basis that you are a slower moving lane of traffic.

Cheers

Whirls

Flap 5
3rd Feb 2006, 09:34
It comes down to people not using their mirrors. No problem being in the middle lane on a relatively clear motorway, but use your mirrors. When someone comes up behind you - move over! :hmm:

Biggles Flies Undone
3rd Feb 2006, 09:35
Devlin Carnet, there is a very simple answer to this - read the Highway Code.

On a Three Lane road the middle and outside lanes are overtaking lanes. By staying in the middle lane when not overtaking, irrespective of the speed you are doing, means that you are committing a moving traffic offence.

All clear now? :hmm:

Strictly Jungly
3rd Feb 2006, 09:46
Devlin Carnet, there is a very simple answer to this - read the Highway Code.
On a Three Lane road the middle and outside lanes are lanes. By staying in the middle lane, irrespective of the speed you are doing, means that you are committing a .
All clear now? :hmm:

Hate List;

Cyclists who want;
a) to be treated as fellow road users(obeying all regulations and being treated correctly by others)
b) to ignore traffic lights, junctions, oncoming traffic, pedestrians etc

You can be one or the other NOT BOTH! Ban all bikes!

Motorcyclists - enough said!

Women in 4 x 4's who look petrified (drive something smaller.

Middle laners (esp. with Devlin Carnet's attitude)

People who have lost the ability to use indicators at junctions and roundabouts.

Prams and pushchairs in shops, they like caravans should have restricted access to our shops and roads!

Aged drivers who can't get out of first gear.

women attempting to run.....and park a car.

That dismissive woman in the McDonalds Bagel advert

Ruth Kelly and esp. her eyebrows (is she dressed by a charity shop?)...come to think about it any female labour MP

People who expect upgrades.

People who moan about reclining seats..............

Theres much much more...............but my head is hurting now........have a nice weekend unless you are in the above!

MyData
3rd Feb 2006, 09:53
And nobody has mentioned caravans yet? These should be restricted to road access between the hours of 1am to 5am. Especially those that are being pulled by 16 year old 1.4L Escorts.


And pensioners. They should be banned from roads (and shops) at peak times and weekends. FFS - they have the whole of the day from 10-4 five days a week to do their business. Why go shopping on a Saturday when everything is busy and congested?

People who BRAKE, slow down, then INDICATE. Think about it you dipstick. Your INDICATORS are there to INDICATE your intention so that I'm aware of what to expect. By the time you have your brake lights on, your speed decreasing and you turning left I not only know your intentions - I've seen them being realised!

Windy Militant
3rd Feb 2006, 10:04
Fu:mad: ing Horse Boxes! Scum sucking spawn of Satan. Boiling in oil's far too good for them. May the fleas of Ten Million mangey camels infest their poxy Puffa jackets and their next Shite be a Sea Urchin!:mad: :mad:

Melliandra
3rd Feb 2006, 10:07
People who don't say "thank you", in some form or other.

I know it's silly, but it's always mums in 4x4s that have never seen mud driving on the other side of the road cos of all the others parked on double yellows. It really ruins it for everyone else cos I wont stop a second time.

RAC/OPS
3rd Feb 2006, 10:18
It's not just the middle lane on a 3 lane mway. Have you noticed that if there are 4 or more lanes the favourite seems to be the 3rd or xth lane, ie just to the left of the outside lane.

There is a lot of criticism of trucks who overtake another truck at 1mph or less relative speed. What about cars who box you in in the inside lane doing the same or just a bit more speed than you so to get past them you have to slow down and move over 2 lanes to get past them. I think there is something in the highway code that says you can go faster than traffic in the lane to the right of you if you are maintaining your speed and lane, but I may be getting confused with the ANO!!

Thinking of commissioning some stickers to do with C L O G - Centre Lane Owners' Group (Apostophe?) Probably already been done....

sixmilehighclub
3rd Feb 2006, 10:20
women attempting to run.....and park a car.


Who gets my goat? People who pidgeonhole all women into the 'women drivers' category. Though they usually are the ones who get really annoyed when you outsmart them on the road.

Right. I challenge you....
Fastest lap round the Monaco GP track, fastest/most accurate reverse parking, quickest waxing of a car, fastest refuelling, quickest tyre change, fastest exit from a multistorey, etc, etc.

:*

Strictly Jungly
3rd Feb 2006, 10:25
Mobiles.....being used by complete fickwits as they try to negotiate a roundabout or even on a Motorway at 80+!!!!
The worst combination I saw was a female pensioner, on her mobile, in a 4 x 4 pulling a caravan overtaking a lorry at +1 mph, up a hill surrounded by cyclists!!!
They make my liver rasp!

Strictly Jungly
3rd Feb 2006, 10:29
Who gets my goat? People who pidgeonhole all women into the 'women drivers' category. Though they usually are the ones who get really annoyed when you outsmart them on the road.
Right. I challenge you....
Fastest lap round the Monaco GP track, fastest/most accurate reverse parking, quickest waxing of a car, fastest refuelling, quickest tyre change, fastest exit from a multistorey, etc, etc.
:*

I am afraid your argument wont stand up. The use of the word "outsmart" with reference to a woman's driving skills does not compute!

Besides I thought the object of driving on a road was to do so safely...not to outsmart.

BTW do ask for directions to Monaco...or better still ask your goat.

Mr Pigeonhole.:rolleyes:

Jerricho
3rd Feb 2006, 11:39
What's worse?

All them bastards that simply just can't drive. Total lack of judgement, sense of closing speed, pre-planning.........bah, how long you got?

sixmilehighclub
3rd Feb 2006, 11:52
BTW do ask for directions to Monaco...

Why would I need directions??

I'll be doing a lap or two again this year. Feel free to pop down and watch. :D

frostbite
3rd Feb 2006, 12:12
People in tiddly little cars who (a) find it necessary to slow almost to a stop before turning left, and especially (b) who swing out to the right before turning left as if it was a juggernaut they're driving.

'Chuffer' Dandridge
3rd Feb 2006, 12:17
My own list of motoring scum....

1. Lorry drivers who, on reaching another lorry on a 2 lane motorway at 55.9mph, try and overtake at 56mph, thereby blocking the motorway for all other road users for the next 10 miles....So called 'professionals'

1a. Foreign Lorry drivers, who pay no UK road tax. I see more accidents on the M25 each week involving foreign lorries than any other vehicle

2. Horseboxes - More lorries, mostly driven by women who can't drive a fecking car let alone a lorry, mostly in and around country lanes at 10-15mph. Want a horse? Ride it, dont drive it around in a lorry!

2a. Horse riders - Who do actually own the road!! But dont pay road tax

3. London cab drivers - More 'professionals' who ignore all other road users and drive like idiots.

4. Cyclists - Totaly ignore the Highway code, traffic lights, pedestrians etc. They obviously think they will come off better in a collision with a car/lorry/cab -NOT!

5. Drivers who don't know where the fecking fog light off switch is!

6. Chav's with HUGE exhaust pipes? Whats that all about? Does it make the car go faster, I think not....

7. Tiny women driving HUGE 4x4's, especially outside schools.

8. Elderly drivers who passed their test in 1932, who wear hats and drive on the wrong side of motorways....Compulsory re-tests every 10 years for the over 50s

and so on.....:rolleyes:

Onan the Clumsy
3rd Feb 2006, 12:20
The only thing worse than bicycles are those stupid recumbant bicycles where you have to lie down as if you've had a little too much anal sex.

Even the word recumbant is stupid.

Rushton
3rd Feb 2006, 12:21
Lack of indicator use on motorways:mad:

rant on. Someone is coming up behind you and just changes lane with no indication - WHY? I am not a mind reader. It usually happens just as i start indicating to switch lanes myself. Just coz they are goin faster and there's no one behind them they assume they don't need to indicate. And then they switch back to my lane - again with no indication. This is particularly nasty when they switch back to centre lane, as a driver in nearside lane may be ready to move to centre lane. Blimey this sounds complicated! Bottom line is -use indicators, I believe it an offence not to.

And BMW and Volvo drivers - when buying a new car and salesman asks if you want any extras, go for the "indicator operation lever option" and the "fog lamp off indicator lamp" option. rant off

Mariner9
3rd Feb 2006, 12:34
People on dual carriageways who stay in the left lane both on the approach to and on roundabouts then turning right :mad: :mad:

Strictly Jungly
3rd Feb 2006, 13:05
Why would I need directions??
I'll be doing a lap or two again this year. Feel free to pop down and watch. :D

For you are a laydeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.......

No thanks......The only way I could safely watch would be from the air. Besides I can think of less boring things to do. Is that where you learn to "outsmart" male drivers?

G-CPTN
3rd Feb 2006, 13:17
My own list of motoring scum....
8. Elderly drivers who passed their test in 1932, who wear hats and drive on the wrong side of motorways....Compulsory re-tests every 10 years for the over 50s
and so on.....:rolleyes:

FYI
http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Category.asp?cat=346

We don't want complaints from ignorant people.
(Note that 'ignorant' here means lacking in knowledge, unaware or uninformed.)

lasernigel
3rd Feb 2006, 13:17
People who can't stay betwen the white lines of their lane when going around roundabouts.
Rear fog lights on when it's raining.
No lights on when it's raining.
Last minute indicating when leaving the motorway.
Using say a left turn only lane to get to the front of the queue and then cut across.
Drivers who leave it until the last few yards to cut into a lane when it reduces from say three to two.
Finally

IGNORANT DRIVERS WHO WON'T PULL OVER TO THE LEFT HAND LANE WHEN THEY HAVE FINISHED OVERTAKING>>PILLOCKS

aerobat 1971
3rd Feb 2006, 13:22
Who gets my goat? People who pidgeonhole all women into the 'women drivers' category. Though they usually are the ones who get really annoyed when you outsmart them on the road.
Right. I challenge you....
Fastest lap round the Monaco GP track, fastest/most accurate reverse parking, quickest waxing of a car, fastest refuelling, quickest tyre change, fastest exit from a multistorey, etc, etc.
:*


Sorry, but 'quickest waxing of a car' isn't a good idea. Like many things, this has to be done thoroughly, and that takes time! :D

Cheers,

David

'Chuffer' Dandridge
3rd Feb 2006, 13:28
G-CPTN,

Hit a nerve have I?:E

Sorry, my knowledge of life doesn't extend to the history of driving tests, but now I have read the DSA link, I feel enlightened

G-CPTN
3rd Feb 2006, 13:34
Whilst my opinion is that the majority of women drivers (doing the school run or bimbos driving sugardaddy's car) are substandard, some of the best drivers that I have passengered are WOMEN. I'm a fast driver (well I was, professional driver and racing driver), but it has been with WOMEN that I've been driven fast (and safely) so that I could relax and sleep. One is Mrs G-CPTN (she terrified me when I first started to teach her!), but she's learned from passengering me. Nowadays she drives most of the time if we're out together. If you get a good'un they're excellent. I believe the difficulty arises when women acquire vehicles 'above their capabilities' ie 4x4 or 'daddy's' car.

I know several dreadful male drivers (including son of G-CPTN!). Police pathologist neighbour is a muppet (and far outshone by his GP wife).

Biggles Flies Undone
3rd Feb 2006, 13:49
I'll be doing a lap or two again this year. Feel free to pop down and watch.
Is that during the GP weekend, the Prix de Monaco Historique, or are you just joining the rest of the plebs on a coach tour? :p

Gingerbread Man
3rd Feb 2006, 13:58
Ban all bikes!



Get bent :hmm:

Devlin Carnet
3rd Feb 2006, 14:03
Whirly

Hey! We've found someone who admits doing it!!

Safety in numbers eh Whirls.
Firstly, the basic rule of driving is "Keep Left". The Highway Code says you should move into the inside lane. If you cannot get past the vehicle in front (i.e. you're in the middle lane and the other vehicle is in the inside lane) within one minute, then pull into the inside lane. That is what is wrong with it.
If I'm travelling down the centre lane at 70mph, and I dont pass another vehicle within a minute, its a very empty motorway and I would be in the left hand lane.
You're not weaving, you're obeying the rules of the road and it's good driving practice and it's good manners.
I consider myself to be one of the most well mannered drivers on the road.
Yes, OK, a faster driver CAN go out into the outside lane and then they are the one having to do the "weaving".
No, they are overtaking.
What about a car in the inside lane going faster than you and comes up to you still in the middle lane? Do you really expect them to go all the way round you or is it safe for them to carry on in the inside lane on the basis that you are a slower moving lane of traffic.
If I am travelling at 70mph and somebody is travelling faster, then the outside lane is exactly where they should be.
Cheers

Biggles Flies Undone
3rd Feb 2006, 14:07
Devlin, we are talking about the law here. Which bit of the Highway Code don't you understand?

Or is it just the fact that you're "one of the most well mannered drivers on the road" that allows you to break the law?

Navajo8686
3rd Feb 2006, 14:24
I'm sorry but most of you are wrong - there is only one really, really safe driver in the whole wide world and it's ME!
I know it's true because the voices in my head keep telling me so.:eek:
Nav
PS - this is a really poor Jetblast motoring thread - doesn't appear to be any critiscisms of speed cameras taking pictures of 'me' on here in nearly 25 replies........:cool:

ExSimGuy
3rd Feb 2006, 15:20
Terry Wogan - now you've really upset me - there's nothing worse :E

birdlady
3rd Feb 2006, 15:28
Pedestrians and male drivers with ego's. Drives me batty. Pedestrian's because they have absolutely no depth perception whatsoever, just cross the road without looking both ways and your not likely to be squashed:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Males with ego's because they think their better drivers than women. If men are better drivers why do all insurance companies disagree with that fact.......:) :) :) :ok: :ok:

Gingerbread Man
3rd Feb 2006, 16:27
Both lanes 2 and 3 are overtaking lanes, so someone in lane 2 should not have to move out to overtake you on an empty motorway Devlin. Sorry, but that's just how the system was designed to work. If you've not understood what the other chap was saying then fair enough.

Something that really yanks my chain is people pushing through amber and, now, red lights. I don't know whether i'm in a particularly discourteous/stupid part of the country at the moment, or whether this is on the increase. People try to stick to the cars in front with the bizarre notion that, in this way, they will appear as one with the car that was going through on green, and therefore not be breaking any rules. This is made even more annoying when you are waiting in the middle of a cross-roads to turn right (or left if you're from the rest of the world apart from Japan) and there's a steady stream of traffic coming through blocking. The idea, of course, is for them to stop when the lights turn amber, and for you to clear the junction by turning right. But instead the lights turn red and 3 more morons/lobotomy-patients/stains-on-society (delete as applicable) bull their way through, leaving you in the way of the perpendicular set of traffic. Breath :) . I just don't see the mentality - it's not a suggestion to stop, it's an order. I have (I can only assume) a device in my car that turns traffic lights red for me as I approach, but I don't think "Damn them all to hell!" and bury my foot because I think that I can JUST make it through before the flow starts.

There's nothing male drivers have over female drivers that i've experienced. I don't rate my sister's driving at all, but she's a special person :p (known for recording static off the TV for me on a regular basis). However, the majority of elderly people scare the crap out of me (on the roads - not just in general ;) ). I quite often get the impression that the body is trying to drive to a destination from memory, as the brain is providing no input. It's the look of sheer panic that should be a clue to some people that it's time to get the bus instead. I did see one old guy in his flat cap zip round a corner in his Evo VIII though :ok: so I know it's not applicable to everyone.

Oh dear, i've rambled again :} .

Ginger ;)

IanH
3rd Feb 2006, 17:07
[QUOTE=Biggles Flies Undone]Devlin Carnet, there is a very simple answer to this - read the Highway Code.
On a Three Lane road the middle and outside lanes are overtaking lanes. By staying in the middle lane when not overtaking, irrespective of the speed you are doing, means that you are committing a moving traffic offence.

I hope I got the quote thing right ?

Since when has staying in the middle lane been a moving traffic offence ? Also, a lot of the Highway Code is advisory and not the law.

ShyTorque
3rd Feb 2006, 17:51
The car that I usually drive is a BMW. I drive using all three lanes, as appropriate to motorway traffic conditions. I use the car's indicators, as required by the Highway Code. I hardly ever use my fog-lights, front or rear, because in the UK the weather conditions hardly ever deteriorate to those for which they were designed, i.e. a condition where following traffic can't see my normal rear lights at a reasonable distance, or where dipped or full beam headlights cause extreme backscatter and I can't see where I'm going at a reduced speed. I find this anti-Beemer stuff similar to racism! (car-ism?).

Devlin posted:

"If I am travelling at 70mph and somebody is travelling faster, then the outside lane is exactly where they should be."

Wrong! the middle lane is NOT the "70 mph lane". By deliberately insisting on driving in lane 2 when lane 1 is clear, you are effectively causing an obstruction, restricting the motorway to a 2 lane highway. You may frustrate and incite other drivers to attempt a potentially dangerous undertaking manoeuvre.

Unless you are a traffic policeman on duty, you have no authority or responsibilty to attempt to control other traffic on a motorway, or anywhere else. You might note that a few years ago the chairman (actually a lady) of ROSPA did the same as you advocate, in her Rolls Royce and she was pulled over by the police and subsequently successfully prosecuted.

BTW, if you really like to be as pedantic as you seem, and drive at an indicated 70 mph, get your speedometer calibrated as it is probably over-reading (most do) and you are therefore probably holding back traffic at a speed actually less than 70 mph in any event.

Romeo Charlie
3rd Feb 2006, 18:10
People parked at the side of the road at night with their headlights on. I don't care if you are only going to be 30secs whilst you drop off your latest squeeze PUT YOUR SIDELIGHTS ON!!!!

stue
3rd Feb 2006, 19:26
Just other people on the road in general. The road should be al mine! All mine i tell you!!:}

But, bet i cant have that can i?? someone mentioned a "public" highway? Oh well!:rolleyes:

OK, Yellow boxes on the road. the painted type before anyone gets srcastic. and thats painted on the road, i.e the tarmac. why is it that no one knows how to use them?? "do not stop in the box UNLESS your exit road is clear" Its not that difficult.

Example,

You are at a cross roads, you are turning right, there is a yellow box painted on the junction. if the road that you are turning right into is clear, you can stop in the yellow box, wait for the on coming traffic to clear (which you are giving way to) and then move. you do not need to stop at the line at the traffic lights (a good three car lengths back) wait for the on coming traffic to clear and then move. thus holding up another three cars that could have gone through the lights and could have helped clear the que behind.

Stupid other road users!:mad:

Whirlygig
3rd Feb 2006, 19:26
I find this anti-Beemer stuff similar to racism! (car-ism?).
Would that be a bit like the anti-Alfa Romeo stuff to which I am sometimes subjected? ;)

Cheers

Whirls

stue
3rd Feb 2006, 19:27
Dont buy a beemer then?:rolleyes:

ShyTorque
3rd Feb 2006, 20:49
Would that be a bit like the anti-Alfa Romeo stuff to which I am sometimes subjected? ;)

Cheers

Whirls

No, that's aimed at the car, not the driver! :)


Stue, Anyone say I bought it? :E

Loose rivets
3rd Feb 2006, 20:53
I feel sorry for you lot. Haven't got the road to yourself? Sad really, it's very nice to be the only one around for miles, your all missing out by being born too late. Well, most of you.

In my young days.....bla bla bla bla Well, anyway some time ago, I would leave one of the incarnations of Air Wales, at midnight, cook my dinner on the M4 (tied to the manifold) wait until there was NO other traffic for miles in either direction, then nip out and get me fodder. I got so that I could time it to a tee. Luvely it was. Napkin on me lap a glass of wine, and an Havana cigar to follow. All this and not one other soul to tell me I shouldn't be driving East bound on the Westbound lane. No I'm kidding............it wasn't a napkin, it was a paper towel.

Four hours later I would need some stimulation to keep the old brain cells working, so, let loose on the A12. If I saw any other lights I would slow down, but for most of the time I could drive flat out. It was total magic. Now, Norwich down to Essex on the 140? Not one other car for the entire journey more often than not. And that was a seriously interesting road. I don't suppose there will ever be empty roads like this again. Well not until fuel runs out, then there won't be much point.

One character I met, used to work at Stansted and commute to ‘The City'. The M11 was not complete, but the only thing stopping him using the new road was some heavy 12 x 12's slung across the road after work had ceased. He used to carry planks in the back of the truck to over come this minor inconvenience.

Oooo.....can feel the mischief in me bones. Must only drive staid old cars now, or I'll be in trouble.

flimflam
3rd Feb 2006, 22:21
Devlin..... Perfect name for all the t*ssers who stay in the middle lane. How difficult can it be to move into the left lane if its clear? Its not for you to decide when 3 lanes should become two! move over! :mad: :mad:

stue
4th Feb 2006, 07:26
ShyTorque,

Ok, you shouldnt have niked a beemer!:E

Whirlygig
4th Feb 2006, 07:35
Nah, it was given to him as a blackmail pay off as he knew too many secrets about a certain footballer's wife!

Cheers

Whirls

stue
4th Feb 2006, 07:42
someone actually gave him a beemer? now i do feel sorry for you!:p

eal401
4th Feb 2006, 08:11
Most traffic light junctions and new roads/redesigned junctions in this area appear designed to propagate accidents. Probably designed in league with the Road safety bunch, protecting jobs rather than lives.

I don't give a stuff what insurance companies say, I see as many women speeding/tailgating/acting like idiots etc as men. I guess women just have faster reactions when avoiding crashing.

sixmilehighclub
4th Feb 2006, 10:23
or are you just joining the rest of the plebs on a coach tour?

BFU - you're saying I'm a 'pleb'?? How kind!

Actually if I'm honest, although the atmosphere in Monaco is great at GP time, it can be more of a pain, you have to pay premiums even for your regular haunts, the restauranteurs treat you differently to usual as they're just churning non-returning punters and feel they dont need to make the usual effort, and you cant just nip down to Fnac to pick up some milk unless you have a relevant pass around your neck. Still, If I choose to go there then, I only have myself to blame.

Lorry drivers on a dual lane road - Surely if they are being overtaken they can slow down by a couple of mph until theyre overtaken to avoid a mile of annoyed traffic queuing up behind them..?

Biggles Flies Undone
4th Feb 2006, 11:05
:rolleyes: Know what you mean, six. I've marshalled at or attended all of the European GP circuits over the years. Did Monaco - once. Nice atmosphere but rubbish race and the hassle getting about and the price of a beer were just crazy :mad:

Flyrr100
4th Feb 2006, 11:13
I hate those cameras that flash you all the time. Every time I'm on vacation in the UK it's 'flash here, flash there'. I sure wish I could get a copy of some of those pictures. Take a look at what I look like with a blonde hetting busy and a beer in my hand!
And, where did all the Cortinas go?

kookabat
4th Feb 2006, 11:33
Ban all bikes!

:* :* :* :* :* :* :*

Ban all cars! :ok:

doobedoo
4th Feb 2006, 11:51
the old couple that live next door. The are the epitome of old drivers, and give me a reason to fear every time I am on the roads, simply because of the thought that they may be near! The have a Falcon with a hand-written sign that says "Slow moving Vehicle" on it. They get brownie points for admitting that they aren't crash hot drivers, but are still in denial. This home made sign apparently lets them drive 40km/h in a 70 zone, which is fine but they do it in the right hand lane, cutting off all people who wish to do the limit. The tinting in the car makes it impossible to see the sign until you are nearly up their tailpipe, I only know to expect it because they live next door!

Iv'e gotta ask, is that type of sign even legal? If they need it to be able to drive, how can they still have a licence? I thought part of the testing was to stick to the speed limit...:ugh:

Grr it's annoying!

Devlin Carnet
4th Feb 2006, 17:39
Ahh... well.. If you want to obey the law, then if I'm travelling at 70 mph in the middle lane there shouldnt be a problem, because nothing will need to overtake me.
really, you guys should chill.

stue
4th Feb 2006, 20:03
We would all be chilled, if people like you would use the road properly:rolleyes:

patdavies
4th Feb 2006, 23:50
If men are better drivers why do all insurance companies disagree with that fact.......:) :) :) :ok: :ok:

They don't - it's marketing hype for the most part.

The fact is that women generally tend to travel less miles; travel in a sub-30 mph environment; have smaller, cheaper cars and accordingly have much, much cheaper accidents: usually below the insurance excess and therefore never notified to the insurance co.

eal401
5th Feb 2006, 08:08
travel in a sub-30 mph environment

LOL! You are kidding, right? Have you seen any women drivers recently?

Krystal n chips
5th Feb 2006, 08:53
Devlin, What a lttle star you are. You wouldn't be one of those nice people who sit behind the big lorry in the second lane of a Motorway and refuse to overtake by using the third lane at all ??----thereby causing a nice long queue :mad: ---now, I don't know when / if you had driving lessons, but you may ?? remember M S M --that's Mirror, Signal and M--------e, the last one is not weaving as you so delightfully phrase it. Anyway, I am sure you are perfectly safe as a driver so the rest of us have no need to worry. :rolleyes:

Right then, apart from those already mentioned ( other than the gender distinction because as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist ) how about those t££ts who stick about 2 ft of the car into the road and force you to either give way--thus allowing the sods out--or have to swerve to avoid them ! And then we have stupid people !!!
1 On the A61 heading away from Leeds to Harrogate two weeks ago. Lots of blue lights ahead so we all move over into the second lane--fine--except for Beer gut Billy in his 4 x 4 tank who simply refuses to let anybody in. Slot in behind and see lady pax is almost orgasmic. Get level with incident ( bus shed a load of diesel ) amd window comes down as she waves to :mad: fireman--and little chit chat then ensues !!!!---after about 3 mins of this--do a "white van man" act and get glared at by all parties !!! FFS, queue back to Leeds and she / he decide they want a yakking session.

2 M62--Leeds and the usual snarl up. In the 3rd lane and note "madam" in her little Golf in the second. Traffic moving at about 10-15mph--she manages to do her face, send a txt ( hands between wheel of course ! ) and then has a relaxing cigarette and a drink / sarnie---blissfully unaware she is not at home but on a Motorway !

3. Lincs base bulk powder tanker descending M62 towards Rochdale from the summit. Every other HGV is braking etc. Your man decides to simply floor it, no signals as he changes lanes a couple of times and the brake lights appear ( briefly ! ) at the bridge just before the Rochdale exit. Q?. If I am doing an indicated 70mph, what was he doing in 40tonnes of HGV !

4 Princess Parkway--main arterial route into Manchester--morning rush hour ish and traffic is crawling --road is a d/ carriageway btw. Straight down the middle of the two lanes, on a mans bike and wearing non of the usual protection that cyclists wear comes a lady--true, she remained on the white line all the way but as a "how to get yourself porridged without really trying! " example, a class act !.

Roundabouts---a bit of a moot point really as to which lane you should be in given the current road planners :rolleyes: :mad: fetish for signing them in one direction only to make you change lanes as they haven't bothered to indicate as such !. And finally, local Authorities who can't be bothered to renew road markings !!!.

Gingerbread Man
5th Feb 2006, 11:00
On the subject of roundabouts, those motorway junction ones that are staggered with traffic lights really wind me up. You join the lane that says M3(S), or whatever and follow it round, and then after following the roundabout for 180 degrees, realise that you are now in the wrong lane. Why can't they shift the lanes over rather than making everyone change lanes half-way through?

Ginger

SyllogismCheck
5th Feb 2006, 11:56
Erm, maybe because you'd never be able to get off the roundabout if you didn't change lanes at some point, Ginger. :confused:

Devlin, You won't wind me up old son. If you're ambling along at 70 in the middle lane and I come up behind you in the nearside lane, I'll just pass you there. Perfectly chilled you see. Oh, I may casually flip you the bird as I breeze by however. Stress avoidance innit... that's how I stay so chilled you know. :ok:

I tend not to get excited by much on the roads. I drive too many miles for that. I just get on with it, find a way round any problem drivers and leave them behind. Simple.

Talking big exhausts. Anyone else seen the unmarked Honda Accord TypeR complete with watermain exhaust and big wing used by Northamptonshire (I assume) Police on the M1? Sneaky. :hmm:

TFlyguy
5th Feb 2006, 12:59
Newsflash - if youre on the opposite carriage way to me at night - the central reservation does NOT stop your main beams dazzling me!

DIP THEM!

patdavies
5th Feb 2006, 13:11
LOL! You are kidding, right? Have you seen any women drivers recently?


I said that the environment was sub-30 (maybe sub-40); I didn't say that they drove at that speed.

patdavies
5th Feb 2006, 13:14
Ahh... well.. If you want to obey the law, then if I'm travelling at 70 mph in the middle lane there shouldnt be a problem, because nothing will need to overtake me.
really, you guys should chill.

So how do you know that you are doing 70 mph?

Not the big round dial on the dash hopefully, as these are set at manufacture to overread in order to remain within the law specifying the accuracy of such devices

SirToppamHat
5th Feb 2006, 13:24
Devlin Carnet wrote:
Ahh... well.. If you want to obey the law, then if I'm travelling at 70 mph in the middle lane there shouldnt be a problem, because nothing will need to overtake me.


What makes you think you are doing precisely 70mph? I believe even the law accepts that there is variation in the calibration of speedometers. Let's say up to 10%? So you might actually be doing anything between 64mph and 77mph. If you are not a troll, you are certainly a Moron - do us all a favour and hand your licence in!

Worst thing? Apart from the speed cameras, the lorry drivers mentioned by RAC/OPS (et al), who take 2 miles to get past a chum who is doing 50mph when their top speed is 51mph - and why do they always seem to start the manoeuver just before a long hill?

Standing by to receive yellow card from Mods ...

STH

Edited to add ... Doncha just hate it when someone is quicker than you to make a point? I'll leave this in anyway because I agree with patdavies!

birdlady
5th Feb 2006, 14:24
:mad: This one really got my goat so allow me to rant.......... :D :D :D

Last night I went out with a few friends to a club. Coming home I counted how many people ran red lights without looking. As most of you probably dont know, in SA you do not have to stop for a red light after dark. Well technically you do but if you get a ticket you can contest it and under certain circumstances you can get away with it ie: if its after midnight? and your alone. This is all very well and on the odd occasion when I do drive at night I do not wait for a light to turn green. I slow down and check there's nothing coming and then go through. Now when I was returning home last night I counted how many cars ran a red light without even stopping...... 12 to be precise. WTF are these w**nkers thinking? Not to mention all those drivers on the roads who were completely out of their minds on drugs/alcohol. :* :* :* Really really irritates me........... :mad: :mad:

Feel better now...........;) ;) ;)

Too Short
5th Feb 2006, 14:49
Talking big exhausts. Anyone else seen the unmarked Honda Accord TypeR complete with watermain exhaust and big wing used by Northamptonshire (I assume) Police on the M1? Sneaky. :hmm:

On a similar note, the North Yorkshire (? I think) constabulary also have a crafty Subaru Imprezza up their sleeves! Saw it pull someone over a few months ago and the look of surprise on the driver's face... superb! :}

TS

Hoping
5th Feb 2006, 15:10
What pisses me off most is the typical British driver who for some reason seems completely unable to see that the highway code was written long ago when there were far less cars on the road.

When the highway code says you should pull in after overtaking, it is assuming that the space ahead of the overtakee is clear. What if it isn't? What if the inside lane is full, as far as the eye can see, of cars and trucks doing about 50-65mph, spaced at around 30-50 meters? In that case there is no space to pull in if you want to maintain 70pmh.

I admit, occasionally, there are drivers who remain in the centre lane EVEN when, on the rare occasion, the inside lane is empty. But on those occasions the outside lane is almost inevitably empty too and so no "real" problem...

And what the guys who overtake, pull in too soon, and thereby force you to slow down?!

joojoo
5th Feb 2006, 15:20
I'm on your side Devlin.

When was the last time in the UK anyone actually saw an empty left hand lane? Not using the same roads as me that's for sure!

If by pulling over to the left you mean that 100 yard gap between the two trucks doing 60, then excuse me if I continue to be the kind of w$$ker you all hate.

Amazing the aggression that driving always seems to provoke.

BTW, when I cycle the 6 miles into work in the morning it makes me laugh to see the line of standstill traffic go red in the face as I pass them by. Takes me 20 minutes, how long does it take you?

stue
5th Feb 2006, 15:35
M55, on the way to Blackpool yesterday, nothing in the left hand lane, Ford in the middle lane.

M62, Thursday night (at the top of the hill where the chevrons (sp?) are, round J24/23ish i think) nothing in the inside two lanes, Vauxhall Corsa in the right hand lane

M1, just app Sheffield near J36.............

I drive quite alot. It happens regularly, even on buisy motorways. Use the road properly:rolleyes:

joojoo
5th Feb 2006, 15:43
Well I drive quite a lot on the M40, M4, and M25, and unless we're talking 4am it very seldom happens.

M55 would be an exception, only 3 lane motorway I know of that ends in a bloody great carpark, and if you stay in the left-hand lane you end up in knotty-ash!

Whirlygig
5th Feb 2006, 15:52
One observation I have found when I used to drive to work in Bracknell from Newbury, was that, during peak times, the M4 was very well-behaved. Lane discipline was good and most drivers indicated.

I suspect that this is because, at those times, the M4 is populated with people who do the journey every day and are used to the motorway principles.

Liken this to the A14 over a weekend and there's no comparison in the standard of driving. It's as if the East Anglian carrot crunchers have never seen dual carriageway before let alone three lanes!

The M25 is, most of the time, a free-for-all. All four lanes move at whichever speed they are moving irrespective of the speed of the traffic in the lanes either side.

The M40, off-peak, over the four lane section will mostly have the two inside lanes empty!

It's as if most humans brains can't cope with the concept of three or more lanes and therefore have to "convert" the road into two lanes so that they feel within their comfort zone.

Cheers

Whirls

....who drives over 20,000 miles a year!

stue
5th Feb 2006, 16:00
So whats wrong with the left hand lane for the rest of the mway??:rolleyes:

joojoo
5th Feb 2006, 16:04
The M40, off-peak, over the four lane section will mostly have the two inside lanes empty!


Yeah, that always makes me laugh. The very same folk ranting on this thread, who all have a greater right to the outside lane, blocking up both outside lanes and refusing to move to a lane with more space. Watch them go spastic as the inside lane "keeping up with traffic" overtakes them.

Gingerbread Man
5th Feb 2006, 17:51
Syllogism Check I realise that I probably garbled my post a bit, but I meant that when you go into a lane that's labelled, you follow that expecting to reach where you're going. Let's say you're turning right onto the M3, so you join said lane. As you pass the half-way point, the lane you're in suddenly becomes A34(N) or whatever because people who are turning right from the M3.... this makes no sense whatsoever - I need to draw a diagram!!!

All i meant was that if they're going to go to the trouble of assigning lanes to routes, I thought they'd make the lanes move to the left as necessary, rather then just changing the road they're going to. That makes no sense either.

Sod it. Just pretend I never mentioned it. Happy motoring :)

Ginger ;)

Too Short
5th Feb 2006, 18:03
Ginger, I think I've grasped what you're getting at... (and forgive me for butting in, but I'm gonna try and help you out here..) you aren't meaning the smaller inner city roundabouts where you move over to the left to get off it, you are on about the big motorway roundabouts and most of those you encounter in parts of London... where you get in a lane labelled with a particular road number (i.e. the road you want) and then before you know it, and without any warning, it's randomly become a lane for a different route and you have to hack everyone off by changing lanes at the last minute to the 'new' lane (be it to the right or the left of the lane you're in) for your particular route...

No. I can't explain it any better either :rolleyes: I know what you mean though.

Gingerbread Man
5th Feb 2006, 18:15
Hit the nail on the head :ok: .

GBM :)

ShyTorque
5th Feb 2006, 18:29
Encountered one such moron this afternoon. Dual Carriageway, approx six miles long. Not busy, almost deserted. I was doing 70 mph.

Half a mile ahead, outside lane, 60 mph, black Ford Escort.

Caught up, held back, half expecting driver to check mirror and pull over to let me by. No chance.

Followed it for a quarter of a mile, noticed Escort windows totally steamed up (driver obviously didn't understand heating and ventilation controls).

Flashed lights once ("Here I am / please move into lane 1"). No difference. Flashed lights second time. Same result - nil. I moved to the inside lane, holding back. Two girls in front, two young males with baseball hats on sideways in rear seats, deep in conversation. Lots of arm waving from female driver as she emphasised some obviously very important point in the conversation to her front seat passenger...

I wasn't going to sit behind her for the next four miles to the roundabout. I accelerated past, knowing I had the hard shoulder as my escape route if madam decided that the "mirror, signal, manoeuvre" wasn't in her vocabulary.

I watched in my mirrors. Half a mile behind me, next car, same problem. He also dealt with it in exactly the same way.

There were TWO dipsticks in that Ford Escort. :rolleyes:

Whirlygig
5th Feb 2006, 18:44
A valid maneouvre ShyT, she was a slower moving lane of traffic!! Trouble is, in that situation you can pretty much guarantee (with the hard shoulder at your get-out clause!) that she is totally unaware of what was going on. Scary.

Had a similar dozy mare at Barton Mills roundabout. She in left lane to go striaght on, me in right lane to go straight on. (dual carriageway). She drove straight across in front of me into the right hand lane round the roundabout and then into the left lane of the A11. Obviously thought she had to take the racing line!! She was gaily chatting to her firend the whole time, totally unaware of what she had done.

I think everyone should be made to take their driving test every five-ten years. I take one every time I drive my best friend anywhere - she's a driving instructor!!

Cheers

Whirls

Too Short
5th Feb 2006, 18:56
Absolutely Whirls, there's nothing worse than drivers who either don't pay any attention to what they're doing or, seem to have long forgotten how to drive. As for those with little or no common sense... enough said!

TS

patdavies
5th Feb 2006, 23:54
A valid maneouvre ShyT, she was a slower moving lane of traffic!! Trouble is, in that situation you can pretty much guarantee (with the hard shoulder at your get-out clause!) that she is totally unaware of what was going on. Scary.

Had a similar dozy mare at Barton Mills roundabout. She in left lane to go striaght on, me in right lane to go straight on. (dual carriageway). She drove straight across in front of me into the right hand lane round the roundabout and then into the left lane of the A11. Obviously thought she had to take the racing line!! She was gaily chatting to her firend the whole time, totally unaware of what she had done.

I think everyone should be made to take their driving test every five-ten years. I take one every time I drive my best friend anywhere - she's a driving instructor!!

Cheers

Whirls


This is frighteningly common. These days I just hang back, 'cos you know they can't be bothered to stay in lane.

One of the worst is by Tesco in Newbury. There are two lanes marked into the roundabout and only two possible exits - left to Tesco, Hilton and Motor Park or straight on. The number of numpties that go straight on from the left hand lane and cannot see that they have done anything wrong.

Many years ago I had one of the roundabout lane crossers in a brand new BMW. I was driving a Landrover, and as it was low speed, I just thought 'sod it' and let him take out his offside doors and B pillar on the front bumper of the Landie. (for those that don't know, a Landie front bumper is a galvanised steel girder bolted directly to the chassis). Since we were alongside at the entry to the roundabout and I entered slightly in front of him, he couldn't say he hadn't seen me. Poetic justice.

Davaar
6th Feb 2006, 00:13
Well, MyData, I think you overlook a refinement here:
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And pensioners.
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Albeit myself in the golden years, I recognise that most of the others are menaces. I am okay, you understand. Let me suggest this, though: those really really to watch out for are Gramps and Gramma in the SUV, with Gramps in the front passenger seat and Gramma in the driver's seat, the wheel in her hand and determination in her eye. These are all signs that he, she, or both have recognised that he is past it. That decision did not come easily, in fact he knows it was mistaken, but there were those three times he hit the wall, so he has reluctantly passed the torch to Gramma. She is his delegate. He would never let her drive in the glory days. Last week. He is still there, though, in a supervisory capacity. She resents that, because she always knew she could dice with that Moss girl if pushed. But now.... Give her lots of room.

Richo77
6th Feb 2006, 02:37
Nimrods who complain about everyone else in the world; be they bad drivers, motorcyclists, smokers, parents with prams etc.

Everyone in their own mind is of course perfect and never infringes on what someone else dislikes.

If we all spent half as much time sorting out our own problems as we do bitching about everyone else's i personally think we would live a happier existence.

Live and let live and remember no one is perfect, least of all you (or me as the case may be).

humberside_go
6th Feb 2006, 03:05
How about the idiots who change from the third lane of a motorway to the exit slip road dangerously late - often after the 100 yard marker post. The signs usually indicate the junction from a mile away or more. I see this all too often on my journeys to work: Idiot in flash company car in outside lane 'ah 200 yards till my exit better think about moving over' cue red lights sharp turn to the left and 2 or more very aggreived motorists who have just had to hit their brakes to avoid a multiple pile up.
Oh and another one, Drivers who insist on slowing down to an almost standstill when there has been an accident on the other side of the carriageway. Are they really that nosey that they want to see the poor devils being scooped off the tarmac? Just concentrate on you're own driving instead of trying to see whats happening over there before you cause the paramedics to jump over the crash barrier and start picking yours and my body parts from the M1.