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G-CPTN
31st Jan 2006, 15:17
http://www.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,30000-1210848,00.html

(and following pages)

airship
31st Jan 2006, 15:25
I got banned from JB for 2 weeks over Xmas and New Year recently for much less... :uhoh:

Send Clowns
31st Jan 2006, 17:01
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Number 5 was a friend of mine, my course for AFT. He was one of the best, a great lad with a gentle, self-depracating manner and a great sense of humour.

OneWorld22
31st Jan 2006, 17:14
That's terrible SC...

But surely you must ask what exactly did he die for? His country was not being attacked and the country he went to fight is in as big a mess as it ever was.

Life is not cheap and every soldier who's gone out there and died has had his or her life demeaned and cheapened and sacrificed for very dubious reasons.

RIP all the soldiers. the citiziens of the countries you left to fight should stand up and say no more to their fellow citizens being killed for nothing. The dead solders deserve that solidarity at least.

BenThere
31st Jan 2006, 23:37
My vote goes to those who would stand up and fight those who killed them.

Send Clowns
1st Feb 2006, 00:11
He died for freedom, 1W22. He died so others might live. That is why most of us joined up in the first place, to make a difference but knowing that we would sometimes risk our lives. He could help to make that difference, unfortunately he also made the sacrifice.

You have spent too long listening to the mainstream media. Listen to the Iraqi people for a change - they don't think it is as big a mess as ever. Most of them are very positive about he present and optimistic about the future, even the BBC had to admit that when the poll results came. The image of a deepening crisis is just news that is easy to broadcast and fits with the anti-Bush agenda of many news organs. Iraq is now a democracy. That's what he died for, and I hope it will be a fitting memorial.

tall and tasty
1st Feb 2006, 00:20
Watched the BBC news this evening with the announcement of the 100th service man (British) killed out there. To go through that web postings where you can actually see the persons' faces close up makes it even more horrific, the news usually flashes off so quickly and on to another bulletin that is becomes just another report, but when you can actually scroll through each and every service personal it hits home. I still have friends in the forces and each time things kick off or they are called away I wonder if it will be the last time I hear from them.

My deepest sympathies to all those who have lost dear and beloved, friends, family and colleagues. For those who have left children behind I hope they can grow up understanding why one of their parents died in a far away country trying to help others rightly or wrongly, it will not bring them back but they died doing their job, but I hope we will not forget the sacrifices they made unselfishly for others

TnT:(

cosworth211
1st Feb 2006, 00:41
Good British people are dying out there,and thanks to pathetic left wing views of complete pratts, their efforts are worthless.

BenThere
1st Feb 2006, 00:46
I hold profound reverence and respect for the sacrifices these soldiers made. No gaul(sic) required.

It's illuminating that only when the family of a soldier killed expresses an opinion against the war policy in either the US or GB is that opinion given voice by either BBC or CNN.

cosworth211
1st Feb 2006, 00:52
I hold profound reverence and respect for the sacrifices these soldiers made. No gaul(sic) required.
It's illuminating that only when the family of a soldier killed expresses an opinion against the war policy in either the US or GB is that opinion given voice by either BBC or CNN.

All respect L or A J,

But BenThere has more ground to make a patriotic statement then you....

cosworth211
1st Feb 2006, 00:56
Try a whole host of TV channels and radio programmes BenThere.
Cosworth, I really must renew my Conservative party subscriptions. As usual you are far wide of the mark.

Not at all while you read/watch and except the anti US crap you entertain, the rest of the intelligent world laugh at your antiquated views.

The British Army want an end to Islamic Violence. They hate al quaeda and any supporting sects. They are fighting a double war, one against islamic anti western views and againts liberalist lefty huggy fluffy pratts.

cosworth211
1st Feb 2006, 01:06
Intelligent people spell prats with one "t."
I won't judge what camp you're in :ok:

Pratts has two t's by the literature I am reading! The fact you spelt is with one, confirmed it.... PS I am not camp :hmm:

As for patriots, have it. I am so ashamed of living in GB by their current actions I literally beg for the US to take me, it escapes me from the idiots that are raping us, and the batty boys like you who take it so somenly...

Wedge
1st Feb 2006, 01:07
Good British people are dying out there,and thanks to pathetic left wing views of complete pratts, their efforts are worthless.

No, their efforts are not rendered worthless by 'left wing' views. But they have made sacrifices for politicians of dubious motives. When you join up, of course, you do so knowing you will obey orders whether you agree with the motives or not. The loss of the 100th British serviceman is another tragedy, and it's a milestone that will only serve to increase public opinion against the war, as is happening in America.

During the run up to the war and for sometime after it began, I was 'on the fence' about whether or not it was the right thing to do.

After nearly three years, I'm now of the view it wasn't the right thing to do. The end of war is not in sight, and the USA has got itself embroiled in a war which will cost it lives and dollars for years to come.

The huge profits of the American oil giants announced this week, the result of the uncertainty over oil supplies pushing the price up, is scant consolation for the USA. Iraq was always supposed to be a money making exercise, and it's gone wrong.

Sorry to hear you lost a friend there SC.

cosworth211
1st Feb 2006, 01:11
Good British people are dying out there,and thanks to pathetic left wing views of complete pratts, their efforts are worthless.
No, their efforts are not rendered worthless by 'left wing' views. But they have made sacrifices for politicians of dubious motives. When you join up, of course, you do so knowing you will obey orders whether you agree with the motives or not. The loss of the 100th British serviceman is another tragedy, and it's a milestone that will only serve to increase public opinion against the war, as iss happening in America.
During the run up to the war and for sometime after it began, I was 'on the fence' about whether or not it was the right thing to do.
After nearly three years, I'm now of the view it wasn't the right thing to do. The end of war is not in sight, and the USA has got itself embroiled in a war which will cost it lives and dollars for years to come.
The huge profits of the American oil giants announced this week, the result of the uncertainty over oil supplies pushing the price up, is scant consolation for the USA. Iraq was always supposed to be a money making exercise, and it's gone wrong.
Sorry to hear you lost a friend there SC.

The loss isnt down to US oil fights, its down to the war on terror and the war on anti western views expressed by uneducated idiotic islamic followers.

Upon that ground, his life was lost.

cosworth211
1st Feb 2006, 01:14
Says it all really..........
All it says is that you dont take it seriously. I like the western way, I dont plan to live any other way. The anti US arguement is as boring as it comes. Bush is the first president to have guts against morons of every kind that love posting on this type of thread. So to you, pucker up, Ill supply the vaseline, lets go anal!

West Coast
1st Feb 2006, 04:22
Serious talk about people dying and the two of you want to quarrel over spelling.


"His country was not being attacked"

If that's the litmus test then Europe would still be fighting Hitlers Germany because no allies would have joined the efforts.

BlueDiamond
1st Feb 2006, 05:05
So to you, pucker up, Ill supply the vaseline, lets go anal!
I believe the fallen dead who are the subject of this thread are worthy of a somewhat higher standard of debate than that which is currently being presented. Surely, cosworth211 and others, you are able to make your point in an articulate and reasonable manner without resorting to childish remarks?

RJM
1st Feb 2006, 06:36
Every combatant killed in every war has been a sibling, child, spouse, father or mother. Most of them have been young, and publication of their youthful images after their deaths would affect people no matter which side they fought on. And every civilian death is a tragedy.

However, and not wishing to sound pompous, it seems to me that the critics and supporters of the efforts in Iraq will have to wait a few years before a clear analysis of the situation in the light of all the facts can be made.

Everyone has a view now - which of those views will be accurate or even relevent once all the facts are on the table, and can be seen in a historical perspective, is pretty hard to judge right now.

OneWorld22
1st Feb 2006, 07:30
Cosworth, I'm finding it difficult to assume you are a normal rational human being with the complete BS you've come out with here.

What did the Iraqi regime have to do with the "war on terror"? What were the exact motives for the 2 Govt's to invade a soverign country? In your own time please....

SC,

Sorry but I disagree. your friend and others did not die for freedom. They were sacrificed for the goals of dubious politicians who sent them to war not as a last resort, not to stop some enemy posied at the borders of your country. War should be a last resort not the first resort as it was here. The Iraqi's don't have "freedom" they are living in the shadow of more terror then they ever have done. Read the last memo of the US soldier Douglas Barber who killed himself after coming home to see what is really happening out there.

"It was really bad - death was all around you, all the time. You couldn't escape it," he said in an interview after he returned to Alabama with the campaign group Coalition for Free Thought in Media. "Everybody in Iraq was going through suicide counselling because the stress was so high. It was at such a magnitude, such a high level, that it was unthinkable for anyone to imagine. You cannot even imagine it."

And put aside the dead for a moment, about 40,000 soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan have been found to show symptoms of mental health disorders.

Can you really tell me hand on heart if this is all worth it? We'll never agree on this I know....

Bahn-Jeaux
1st Feb 2006, 08:12
The loss isnt down to US oil fights, its down to the war on terror and the war on anti western views

If the above is the only reason we are there and not for some political gain and enhancement of the House of Commons resident Baboons, why is Robert Mugabe allowed to murder not only his own people (As Saddam did) but land grab and torture and murder white farmers who were feeding his country.

The soldiers who have been killed have given thier lives as they knew they might one day but for what, defending thier country?.. or protecting a slimy two faced weasels reputation with the USA.

Capt.KAOS
1st Feb 2006, 08:25
He was just a common soldier and his ranks are growing thin,
But his presence should remind us we may need his like again.
For when countries are in conflict, then we find the soldier's part
Is to clean up all the troubles that the politicians start.

angels
1st Feb 2006, 08:33
Cosworth - seems to have realised he's on a sticky wicket so he resorts to childish petulance. Charming.

Anyway, I took my kids on the anti-war March before the invasion. I knew I wouldn't be able to stop the war, the politicians had decided to go to war on totally false pretences (yeah go on Blair, blame it on the security services) and that was that. But I still marched.

The fact that some six months earlier I'd seen all the ships tooling up at Devonport with all the war paraphanalia meant it was pretty obvious the decision had been made probably a year before the actual invasion. All of Plymouth knew the ships' destinations and the men knew what was going to happen.

People like me who were against the war from the beginning were initially in a (sizeable) minority. Sadly, many of our fears have been proved correct. I feel I was more patriotic in standing up to voice my views that our lads should not be sent out to fight in a war that was unjust than were those who said 'Let's go in with all guns blazing. Sod the merits of it.'

If odious regimes are the criteria then I await the invasion of Myanmar. Their charming army uses civilians as mine detectors, floods Thailand with drugs and is raping some of the most beautiful rain forest in the world for personal profit. In the 1990s they held democratic elections. The wrong person won, so lets incarcerate her. Time for regime change perhaps? PS George and Tone, plenty of natural gas offshore!

North Korea. It kidanps Japanese citizens. It is engaged in all sorts of criminal activities worldwide that pose a far greater threat than Saddam ever did. The people live in appalling conditions and are terrorised by a madman and his cronies. Illegal arms sales and currency counterfeiting are at the top of the list of their many crimes. Oh, and they're messing around with plutonium as well. Time for regime change?

What do you gung-ho types say to invading the two countries above? Do we steam in, or is it all a little inconvenient?

Oh, and I knew (purely on a casual basis) one of the SAS on the list. I've seen the grief that afflicts his family to this day. He was for the war and died in a vehicle accident.

flapsforty
1st Feb 2006, 09:07
People, this subject has been discussed for years in the Hamster Wheel.
Feel free to continue discussing it there.
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