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Grivation
27th Jan 2006, 22:57
It would seem things don't bode well for Virgin's international carrier. Buy one - get one free!
All these idiots for real?
If they're not interested in promoting the business by product and service then why not leave it to the carriers who are?
Pete Conrad
28th Jan 2006, 02:20
But if you listen to the Virgin spin, they are cleaning up on the Tasman, yeah profits are great...yeah right!
Woomera
28th Jan 2006, 02:50
If they're not interested in promoting the business by product and service then why not leave it to the carriers who are?
Currently, there are no such carriers in Australia, Grivation:E
Woomera (Eastern States)
propaganda
28th Jan 2006, 14:43
...MD's humoured to be off as well..
rescue 1
29th Jan 2006, 07:01
Two for one...hmmm shades of the worlds best marketing campaigns - Compass MkI and II, OzJet and PacificBlue.
Beer Can Dreaming
29th Jan 2006, 20:23
Speaking to a mate in NZ, apparently there is a rumour that the NZ authorities have charged a very senior former pilot of Pacific Blue for a certain violation and a court case is pending.
That person is no longer in that very senior position apparently.
Rumour is also that that individual is now working for Virgin Blue.
Same people say that their days are numbered and the pilot body of Pacific Blue are hoping to gain direct jobs into Virgin Blue when the decision is made to shut the doors.............any truth to these?
People should think a little before posting things implting legal ramifications for any person involved in the aviation business. If that were the case then I am sure that the general pprune public would not know about it. Everyone should realise that this industry runs on wild and often incorrect rumors and that commenting on somne of these is not worth the effort. However, this seems a little different. A former boss of PB, who got PB up and running should be given praise for his efforts not be slagged off at, at every available oppurtunity. Lets the chips fall where they may, but keep the emotion out of it.
theflyer1735
29th Jan 2006, 22:18
It would seem things don't bode well for Virgin's international carrier. Buy one - get one free!
All these idiots for real?
If they're not interested in promoting the business by product and service then why not leave it to the carriers who are?
These "idots" did the same thing mid last year with there syd to HK flights. A mate of mine took his wife on a weeks holiday and the flights worked out to be $400 per person (plus tax :(). pretty cheap trip all said and done.
Rainbow Flyer
30th Jan 2006, 05:22
Well said COP.
propaganda
30th Jan 2006, 06:57
PB employ no Pilots or cabin crew (except managers), they're all contractors. So I bet they would like to join VB...;) PB are simply hedging their bets...clever business practice or underhand *******.
Beer Can Dreaming
30th Jan 2006, 19:45
COP - very true but in this case their is no emotional attachment to my posting.
I merely raise a point and wonder whether anyone can elaborate.
Are their any VB pilots that can confirm this individual is flying VB aircraft?
Under what conditions is he employed - as a contractor or a permanent employee?
Just how is Pacific Blue really fairing and is it true the writing is on the wall?
Yes,this is a rumour forum but at the same time can allow others to comment and disseminate information.
BCD
Dehavillanddriver
30th Jan 2006, 19:51
Beer Can,
What is it to you?
Got an axe to grind?
These sound like actionable allegations to me...
As far as I am aware, take this with a grain of salt, PB seems to be going ok at the moment. I think since the start of PB those on the other side of the Tasman either did not know or did not care to know ( only because the distribution of information is quite low regarding PB) about what was happening at PB. Sure as in every airline there is problems, but can you seriuosly see the Massive Virgin brand simply shutting the doors? They have not done it at Virgin Express and I cant see them doing it at PB. Maybe I am totally wrong. Correct me if I am wrong, all the PB employees are contractors and as such can be given the boot at short notice, there is no super, pay is lower than VB. These things have not changed since the day PB began if it was to happen it would have already or maybe some or all will in time seek better conditions? Who knows what this industry will do next. Look at Qantas, buying both Boeing and Airbus at the same time, who would have thought.
Beer Can Dreaming
1st Feb 2006, 12:00
DeHavillandDriver.
For some reason you seem to be going on the defensive and to answer your question - no, I dont have an "axe to grind".
I thought it opportune to enquire as to an upcoming court case of a very senior former pilot in the employ of Pac Blue.
At the same time its mentioned how "disposable" the PB contract staff really are but its also rumoured that this individual former Pac Blue pilot is now flying for VB based in BNE.
If so I deem it relevant DHD, especially to all those PAC Blue contract pilots seeing that one of their former is now supposedly flying at VB.
Anyone confirm or deny??
Dehavillanddriver
1st Feb 2006, 12:31
I can tell you that there was a pilot seconded to Pac Blue for a while to set it up, and that he is back flying in Oz.
He always remained a VB employee and as for the rest I would not like to comment.
As your other info was wrong, perhaps the allegations you are making are incorrect also?
However even if there was some truth (and I am not saying that there is) how would you feel if it were you being dragged through the mud in this forum?
I was being defensive because I don't believe faceless people on this forum should be free to make serious allegations using the "I was told by a friend" cover....
yellow rocket
1st Feb 2006, 22:58
Pacific Blue's accounts are public record.
Since operating it has made consecutive annual profits, not huge in the scheme of things, but impressive for a company with only 4 aircraft.
Do you seriously think the Samoan government would have formed a company with an outfit to safeguard its national interest if the writing is on the wall.
PB has introduced new products and work practices its competitors try and copy (inflight entertainment). Air New Zealand has been pushed into turning Freedom into nothing more than a crew labour hire company to be leased onto Air New Zealand aircraft.
And I guess there's smart ways or dumb ways of managing seasonal demand...you can threaten to lay off 600 engineers and still not have paid back the taxpayer the $1 Billion they're owed. Or, you can suck up to politicians in Canberra to stop the sort of competition PB thrives in - aka - keep everyone else off the Pacific into Australia. Even Stalin would be proud of that level of socialism.
...or, you can be clever with margins, and marketing, put up with a seasonally lower yield but still make a bit on each 'free' seat, and keep those pax from helping the profits at your competitor.
Can't do that with an A320.
...yes....writing's on the wall...but not at PB :ok:
Woomera
2nd Feb 2006, 01:59
This thread was supposed to be about free seats. Once again, bearing no resemblance to the topic.:suspect:
Woomera (Eastern States)