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SoundBarrier
27th Jan 2006, 00:54
I was perusing the many fora today and noticed one on the Pprune Bashes thread a discussion on the many aviation themed songs out there, all very good suggestions made even if some from left field.

Now one song I did see was, "Leaving on a Jet Plane" by John Denver. I hate remixes of any song, but there is a women who did sing this on the Armegeddon Soundtrack, Chantel Kreyztavic(sp?), who did the song justice and now it is my preferred version. Her voice is stunning though.

Generally, me thinks that remixes suck.

Do you have any remixes that you prefer to the original.

Incedentally (while I am rambling) I do not think that anyone could replace Louis Armstrong's version of "A wonderful world"

Hmm, maybe this should be in TRRABASPOIT?

Conan the Librarian
27th Jan 2006, 01:02
What about covers? Cos "Leaving on a jet plane" if I remember correctly, was vomited into the public consciousness by Peter, Paul and Mary? :}

Conan

Jerricho
27th Jan 2006, 01:36
Incedentally (while I am rambling) I do not think that anyone could replace Louis Armstrong's version of "A wonderful world"


Interesting. Have you heard Israel Kamakawiwo'ole's version of "Somewhere over the Rainbow/What a wonderful Word" from the "50 First Dates" soundtrack (been used in Cold Case once or twice as well as ER). Not a replacement of the Great Satchmo, but does the song justice.

Romeo Delta
27th Jan 2006, 02:06
Jer, I agree. That's one of the better covers out there. A lot of the songs on the 50 First Dates soundtrack are covers, aren't they?

As I'm a bit of a thrasher, I really like the Nonpoint cover of In the Air Tonight (used in a lot of sports movies). Not better or wose than the original, but comparable on its own merits. They didn't stray far from the original. I also liked Shout 2000 by Disturbed (remade from Tears for Fears). Once again, comparable on its own merits.

And as far as remixes go, I'm fond of the Jay-Z and Linkin Park collaboration. They did an excellent job of mixing up the songs of each. A worthy listen for those that like a little more crunch in their music.

Jerricho
27th Jan 2006, 02:26
RD, I'm a huge fan of Linkin Park (who even remixed their own stuff in "Reanimation", and they improved "Points of Authority" hugely :ok: ), and when I first heard the Jay-Z thing, I wasn't too sure. But they did a good job.

Personally, I feel there's a difference between "covers", "remixes" and "cashing in on what was once a good song simply because we're too effin tallentless to come up with our own stuff" (Atomic Kitten, here's looking at you :mad: ). Korn did two excellent covers, one of "Word Up" and "Another brick in the wall", both running against the grain of their normal stuff. Marylin Manson does an entertaining "Hit me baby one more time". Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies do oh so very well at taking the piss out of themselves and providing some good entertainment.

As to remixes, who remembers opening scene to "Blade" with Wesley Snipes. 10 points to anyone who can tell me title and artist of the original that was remixed for that opening dance/techo scene.

3PARA
2nd Feb 2006, 20:00
"word up" covered by Gun, much better than Cameo's original but then I'm an old metal head :cool: ?

Maxbert
2nd Feb 2006, 20:12
Covers? No, never! :*

Hooligans have thrashed Stevie Wonder's "Songs in the key of life" tunes (part II)! :*

Call me Mr. Fuddy-Duddy (OK, my wife & kids already do... :( ), but a song, however good or bad, in its original form cannot be remixed / resung / reinterpreted without infuriating its original fans...

More importantly, it strikes me as being a sign of hopeless unoriginality and lack of creativity...

... but I lack Drapes' eloquence and conciseness... :(

shurely shome mishtake...?

Zoom
2nd Feb 2006, 20:38
A couple or 3 cover versions that better the originals for me are:

'American Pie' by Madonna

'I Don't Want To Talk About It' by Everybody But The Girl

'With A Little Help From My Friends' by Joe Cocker

Loki
2nd Feb 2006, 21:05
Sound barrier and Zoom:

Spooky!

Never mind about cover versions, I was listening to the radio this am, there being an item about Buddy Holly who died in Feb 1959.

The aircraft was a Bonanza called Miss American Pie....Ok Zoom? So I messed about with Google a bit and came up with a surprising number of musicians who have died in air crashes. John Denver being one.

Slightly off thread, but are there any such artistes who haven`t had cover versions of their work?

How about Aaliyah?

Other victims; Jim Reeves, Otis Redding etc

Jerricho
2nd Feb 2006, 22:55
A couple or 3 cover versions that better the originals for me are:
'American Pie' by Madonna

Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with that on Zoom. :ooh:

Arm out the window
3rd Feb 2006, 01:53
Cover version of 'Black Betty' - done superbly by Ram Jam back in whenever (itself a cover, don't know who did the original, but it's one of those old blues numbers from way back), then unfortunately massacred by Aussie band Spiderbait...crap singing, none of the excellent lead guitar work and funky tempo changes, plus a bullshit banjo sample over the whole thing - it stinks! And the worst thing is, it's played all the time - the kids must love it.
:confused:

Windy Militant
3rd Feb 2006, 08:37
Snopes Alert American Pie (http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/amerpie.htm)

With remixes and covers it depends on how the song is approached
If a band have a new take on a song then that's fine but if they just use a standard because it's an easy way to sell records then that's not on.
Consider Blue Moon a Standard Torch song covered by many in that style some versions are excellent but then the Marcel’s came along and turned it into a Do Wop Classic.
Or Joss Stones cover of the White Stripes "Fell in Love with a girl"
Don't however mention the Pussy Cat Dolls, what they did to Tainted Love the old Northern soul classic was even more diabolical than the travesty that Maralyn Manson perpetrated on it.
Whilst I’m having a rant why do the always play the duff cover on the radio Phil Collins instead of the Supremes, Cher instead of Mark Chon or Betty Everett.

Arm out the window
3rd Feb 2006, 10:26
As you say, Windy Militant, it's how it's approached.
There seems to be a fine line between the inspired use of samples from previously released songs and the blatant ripping-off of the good bits of someone else's successful music to prop up your own lack of initiative.

This is off the 'covers' track, I guess, talking about bits of songs instead of renditions of the full monty, so feel free to castigate me if you will, anyone (oo-er, sounds a bit rude, that!)

Talking covers, though, I'd like to recommend the version of 'Mad World' released in Aust about a year or so ago, originally by somebody I can't remember (kinda fast-ish Tears for Fears sounding thing) by someone else (?? sorry about that!) who did it quite slowly and soulfully, made it very moving and thought-provoking, gave the lyrics the space they needed to get the message across, a fine job.

Off-Black
3rd Feb 2006, 11:19
I often find I like the version of a song that I hear first. Further to this, I really hate it when a cover supplants the original, aided by classic hits stations that only play new cover versions of an old song they should be playing anyway.
Remixes are generally good things, often changing songs completely in a good way.
I'm not sure if that adds anything to the argument or not.
Good covers:
Johnny Cash- Nine Inch Nails 'Hurt' (I like both versions equally).
U2- The Beatles 'Helter Skelter'
Ben Harper- Marvin Gaye 'Sexual healing'
Any given version of 'Throw your arms around me', by either Hunters and Collectors, Crowded House, or Pearl Jam.
Darcy Clay- 'Goodbye Englands Rose', and 'Jolene'
Avril Lavignes cover of Metallica's 'fuel' is a guilty pleasure
10,000 Maniacs version of 'More than this'
Roxy Music's version of 'Jealous Guy'
'I fought the law' - 'nuff said
Afghan Whigs version of 'Dark end of the street'
Run DMC - 'Walk this way'
Guns 'n' roses- 'Sweet child of mine'
Guns 'n' roses- 'Live and let die' (again I like both versions)
Courtney Love- 'Gold Dust Woman'. Worth it for the irony, intended or not, alone.

Bad covers
The Beatles song (title I forget) that both Michael Jackson and Aerosmith have butchered.
Dj Sammy's perversions of 'Boys of summer', and 'Heaven'
Tom Jones and the Cardigans destroying 'Burning down the house'
Tom Jones destroying 'Kiss' singlehandedly.
Meatloaf murdering Jim Steinman's 'Rock and roll dreams'
Whatever rubbish american pop/punk band it was that covered Men at Work's 'Down under' so badly they didn't even get the lyrics right.
Every version ever of 'Knocking on Heaven's door'. Including the original.
And 'Louie Louie'
'Layla' unplugged. Seldom has an artist so successfully destroyed their own work.:yuk:

Zoom
3rd Feb 2006, 11:36
Agree about Layla Unplugged. Sad.

Interestingly enough, I note that the greatest rock instrumental ever, Albatross by Fleetwood Mac, has not (to my knowledge) been covered. Perhaps the music industry has realised that when a work reaches 10/10, as this did, it cannot possibly be bettered and so should be left alone.

Parapunter
3rd Feb 2006, 11:42
I have heard it said that when asked what the meaning of American Pie was, Don McClean replied - it means I never have to work again!

As for covers, I'm with Maxbert. I own every Stevie Wonder album ever & no-ones ever covered any of it better'n him. However, one is partial to Step On, Happy Mondays, which, believe it or not, is a cover version.

Gouabafla
3rd Feb 2006, 11:44
Some covers are just so much better than the original that no one remembers the first time round. Marvin Gaye's version of CCR's Heard it Through the Grapevine would be one candidate. The original isn't bad, but the cover is superb.

Arm out the window
3rd Feb 2006, 19:39
Off-black, was Sweet Child of Mine a cover? Who did the original?

Solid Rust Twotter
3rd Feb 2006, 19:44
Sweet Child In Time - Deep Purple

Haven't heard the one to which you refer.

redsnail
3rd Feb 2006, 19:57
Jezza,

Confusion (Pump Panel Recon Mix), original by New Order.
That thumping bass line has been sampled by a few dance groups.

Jerricho
3rd Feb 2006, 20:06
Very good Reds :ok:

redsnail
3rd Feb 2006, 22:23
Public Domain have sampled that bass line for their "Operation Blade" track. It's a brilliant track for psyching yourself up for a hard sesh at the gym or pub. It's not filed as "Chill" on the iPod. :ok:

It's a right bugga trying to locate the CDs when they're all packed up in boxes. Place looks like a really big bomb's gone off, as opposed to a standard reddo mess bomb. :E

redsnail
3rd Feb 2006, 22:34
Yeah I'm on a roll now.

Covers? rarely do they do the original any justice. More often than not it's some girl/boy manufactured band with limited talent just rehashing a song that is guaranteed to make the producer some money. There are some exceptions of course. Elton John's version of Pinball Wizard is much better than The Who's. (IMHO)

To me remixes are something different. Often, the single has to go out for album timings and so forth. The remixes are done by DJs or producers to see what they can do with the mood/beat of the song. Often the remixes are much better than the standard single. Although, I am not fond of "dub" remixes. (Perhaps I am showing my age, I don't think any one does that genre of remix now... )

PPRuNe Radar
3rd Feb 2006, 23:19
Sweet Child In Time - Deep Purple

Haven't heard the one to which you refer.

Sorry Twotter ... never heard the one you refer to either ;)

It's either 'Sweet Child O' Mine - Guns n Roses' or 'Child in Time - Deep Purple'

It's awful when oldies get hold of record collections :p

Solid Rust Twotter
4th Feb 2006, 04:55
Cheers, boet.

It's all this stuff that happened in the last century I'm battling to remember.....:E :ok:

flowman
4th Feb 2006, 11:13
First we take Manhattan

The cover versions by Jennifer Warnes and by Joe Cocker are surely better than the Leonard Cohen original don't you think?

Original is usually best, but not always:ok:

surely not
4th Feb 2006, 16:59
The UB40 version of 'Red Red Wine' is vastly superior to the Neil Diamond original, and I think I have read somewhere that Neil Diamond agrees and sings their version in performances these days.

Madonnas 'American Pie' was awful compared to the original:yuk: :yuk:

flowman
5th Feb 2006, 07:28
The Sex Pistols "God save the Queen" is definitely an improvement on the original dreary dourge.

Off-Black
5th Feb 2006, 08:04
Arm out of the window;

I was always sure it was, but I checked the liner notes for 'Appetite for Destruction' the other day and the writing credit is GnR's, so maybe it isn't.:O
I was told it was a seventies song they had rehashed, but now I dunno.

Romeo Delta
5th Feb 2006, 10:55
Bad covers
Every version ever of 'Knocking on Heaven's door'. Including the original.

Here's an odd bit of info regarding bad covers... Apparently a high school classmate of mine was the one responsible for rewriting "Knocking on Heaven's Door" for GnR. He actually rewrote it for his own band, Fortress, but Axl and Slash came to one of their performances and liked it so much they bought the song off him.

Used the money to go to beauty school. To each his own, I say...

Maxbert
6th Feb 2006, 16:16
As for covers, I'm with Maxbert. I own every Stevie Wonder album ever & no-ones ever covered any of it better'n him.

Parapunter, one of my remaining neurons has just given a polite fizzle to remind me that Mr. Wonder has produced a couple of covers of his own :(
"We can work it out" definitely, possibly also "You are the sunshine of my life"... I guess I can't have it both ways :{

Although naturally Mr. W's covers are all vastly superior to the originals...

tubthumper
6th Feb 2006, 17:01
From Tubthumper's famously narrow taste in music, how about:

1. Whiskey in the Jar - Metallica
2. Warpigs - Faith No More
3. Love Lies Bleeding - Dream Theater. (Only ever recorded live. Damn, those boys can play)
4. Take On Me - Don't know the name of the band, but it was given a bit of a ska treatment, and used on the soundtrack to the movie "Baseketball". I'd look it up myself, if I could be bothered.
5. Smooth Criminal - Alien Ant Farm.
6. Anything by Whiskey Mac. (Don't bother, you won't find us on the Interweb).

ManfredvonRichthofen
6th Feb 2006, 18:09
Aztec Camera's version of "jump" is better than Van Halen's

and that's a fact

Maxbert
6th Feb 2006, 18:56
Tubthumper-
You thinking of A-Ha, perchance?


ManfredvR-

Aztec Camera are still around ? :confused:
Cried my eyes out listening to "Walk out to winter", having just been dumped by GF#001... :{ :(

Jerricho
6th Feb 2006, 21:39
4. Take On Me - Don't know the name of the band, but it was given a bit of a ska treatment, and used on the soundtrack to the movie "Baseketball". I'd look it up myself, if I could be bothered.

Reel Big Fish.

ThreadBaron
7th Feb 2006, 07:02
Jeff Buckley's cover of Leonard Cohen's 'Hallelujah' is brilliant, but beaten by Eva Cassidy's 'Over the Rainbow'. She turned a saccharine, maudlin song into something with meaning and I was stunned the first time I heard it. Still has a big effect on me even now. Sadly Miss Cassidy died very young.

Will seek out the Israel Kamakawiwo'ole version.:ok:

Sought and listened to! Sweet voice, but not the feeling or impressive vocal control of Eva. However, his 'In This Life' (The 'Alone in Iz World' version) is much better than Bette Midler's.

Sadly, Isreal died very young also.

tubthumper
12th Feb 2006, 17:30
Thanks, Jerricho. Them's the Johnnies.

Jerricho
12th Feb 2006, 18:35
Nurries Tubs ;)

BTW, one has heard some lady with a very boring voice singing a cover of Metallica's "Nothing else matters". Geezus H........give me strength (and some earplugs)

Romeo Delta
12th Feb 2006, 19:42
TB, I'm likely to be purchasing the "Future Forward" album that includes the Over the Rainbow and Take Me Home Country Roads songs.

There is a very interesting webpage about "Brahdah Iz" and the story of his Over the Rainbow recording session (late night, one take). Sadly, he passed away at age 38 due to complications from his obesity (man was a true mountain, at 6'6" and over 700 lbs). Only two people have ever lain in state at the State Capitol in Hawaii, and he was one of them. A true Hawaiian icon.

surely not
22nd Feb 2006, 22:56
Just been listening again to the Ry Cooder cover of 'Blue Suede Shoes' on The Slide Area. It is very, very, different to the original and I am sure that I will p!ss off all the Elvis fans on here, but I reckon it is heaps better than the original.

surely not
22nd Feb 2006, 23:09
Just been listening again to the Ry Cooder cover of 'Blue Suede Shoes' on The Slide Area. It is very, very, different to the original and I am sure that I will p!ss off all the Elvis fans on here, but I reckon it is heaps better than the original.