QANTAS ironing Virgin Atlantic (merged) [Archive]

sinala1

16th Jan 2006, 14:38

What? A Truck story with no FJ crew involved?! That's no fun! :D Look, the bloody thing is just an old container with a demountable thingo attached to it? What do you expect? Table cloths and canapes? Hehehehe. An iron to the head. That's funny. Sinala1, when is your last NRT? PM welcome.

Table cloths and canapes? Yeah I can see it now as you walk up the 'steps' to the truck door - "Good Evening, Sir/Madame and welcome back to our establishment... before you enter our premises for an evening of top level entertainment, may I tempt you with a Bellini accompanied by a selection of salmon and cream cheese on french bread, or perhaps some of our finest local caviar?"

:E

BC check your pms :ok:

apaddyinuk

17th Jan 2006, 11:28

DO you know what, the truck is a dump, BA crew have been advised not to go there anymore, its full of twats who cant handle their drink and have nothing better to talk about other than work and why their airline is better than yours and if that isnt enough then they need to spike drinks to get a sh@g!!!
Theres plenty more to do and see even in Narita believe it or not and if you feel the need to go to the truck then that does not say very much about you and your crew!

Da Dog

17th Jan 2006, 12:29

Come on then paddy spill the beans:rolleyes: What more is there to do in NRT thats so much better than the truck, do you mean "the cage" (watch the steps when you stagger away) or maybe its the barge, flyers, I dunno the whole place is a dump, once you have done the temple short of getting on a fast train to Tokyo and spending the night out thats it.

sinala1

17th Jan 2006, 16:29

Paddy mate no need to be so harsh - different people enjoy different things... and I tend to not take my slippers, book and kettle with hot chocolate on my NRT trips - sorry! :D

apaddyinuk

17th Jan 2006, 18:38

OK, I lied, there are not really any better places to go....But having experienced two very tragic nights in the Truck ( I should have learnt my lesson the first time) where two of my crew were attacked, one drugged and another left a large bill from another airline I really think this place is bad news! At least at the cage I can sneak away back to the hotel when the cr@p hits the fan!!!

sinala1

17th Jan 2006, 18:40

left a large bill from another airline
The Truck is running tabs now?????? :eek:

Thats got *bad* news written all over it

Da Dog

17th Jan 2006, 19:08

last time I went to the truck they were not running tabs:ok: You order your drinks then pay for it, so paddy are you speaking the truth. Also never heared of anyone being drugged, and since BA try and nanny us all the time I am sure they would have crewlinked us eh paddy? still telling the truth? Or was it to much pop?

Still I'll conceed one thing at least one person I know has been attacked (badly) by an out of control onker, but you can'thave everything:{

Only last week the US Navy were trying to wreck SIN;)

apaddyinuk

17th Jan 2006, 19:39

Da Dog, actually there have been messages to us about the truck in cc news and I think there was something on the briefing room walls too! And i didnt say the bill was for booze!!! :eek:

AND there have been PLENTY of situations where crew have been drugged there, after it happened on my flight we were told about several other instances over the last 2 years. You just dont tend to hear of it because thankfully (to the best of my knowledge could be wrong on this one) it has not lead to anything more serious such as rape. No fibs here my man!

Da Dog

17th Jan 2006, 19:52

fair enough just suprised that nanny BA have not passed this on:confused:

lowerlobe

18th Jan 2006, 04:11

The bottom line is that the truck consists of either..

1: Tech crew

or

2: Cabin crew looking for tech crew

So unless you are either one of these groups ,why would you bother

Prosecution rests

speedbirdhouse

18th Jan 2006, 13:15

Well said that man.

Did you mean, "prostitution" rests...........

lowerlobe

18th Jan 2006, 14:09

Speedbirdhouse ....Like the proverbial nail on the head

And the funny thing is that the tech crew think that they are the predators...

When the reality is that you have cabin crew there on a search and destroy mission for a sperm donor with a high disposable income

Hand Solo

18th Jan 2006, 17:10

Its a wood lined shipping container on the back of a lorry trailer with a karaoke machine at one end and a bar at the other filled with pi55ed up Ozzies looking for a fight with anyone. Thats it really.

ozskipper

18th Jan 2006, 18:01

It's hell with fluorescent lighting and condemned people who think they can sing!

It's occasionally fun, but trust me Iain, I think it may be a bit of an eye opener for you young man! Stay well clear! :}

Da Dog

18th Jan 2006, 18:22

Iain I think you need to go, you really do need to see it, to even begin to undersatnd it:ok:

lowerlobe

18th Jan 2006, 19:30

Handsolo...Not only QF tech crew but you forgot to mention tanked Fijian and other airlines tech crew all trying to impress some hostie who is looking for her next case in the divorce courts so as to increase her net wealth.

There is also the occassional yakuza heavy who is annoyed at seeing a gaijin with a local girl that he is interested in from an earlier session in town and uses his stiletto to display that anger....luckily not fatally though for the F/O concerned

There are enough low dives and gin palaces around the world but if you want to experience one then the truck smells and sounds just like most of them and it is fun to see the pick up attempts

Standard Jet Dep

20th Jan 2006, 12:53

The Truck mmm heard a bit about it from the crew as im always trying to convince them to head into Tokyo for what i think is the worlds top nights out. However after reading this forum thread i feel i might just have to do it on my next trip over.
So any of the local keystone cops (Chibas finest) turn up for these rucks. I suppose they would have a problem nicking those very bad gaijin as they would have to nick the whole bar.lol.
So is it a mix of crew/ Ground and many Japanese? I kind of thougt it was more or less a gaijin only hang out. Whats the other places like around NRT?

Interesting thread keep them coming.

Brgds

SJD

Virgin Boi

20th Jan 2006, 20:48

But guys, to get back to the topic inhand here, I too have heard lots of rumours about 2 of our crew getting into a fight (involving an iron) with 2 Qantas crew in the Virgin hotel in NRT very recently. Id be very very interested to know the full story!

lowerlobe

20th Jan 2006, 22:06

So now it is the pub not the truck..mmmm

Was it over a virgin girl and the boys challenged each other to irons at 20 paces or was it a couple of sensitive boys having an iron off....

My blouse is ironed better than yours.....

fly me

22nd Jan 2006, 18:41

:ouch: well my mummy ironed mine before i left base and shes the bestest ever so neeeerrr!:{

fly me

22nd Jan 2006, 19:01

is it true the "story" i heard today about VS and QF crews in NRT? apparently it went one step further and it ended with a domestic appliance free for all! one poor guy lost an ear to a morphy richards food processor :eek: , another unlucky soul had a rather unfortunate ruckas with a dyson 5000 deluxe edition in sunset yellow! :oh: if anyone else would like to add to "what they saw" please fill us all in! it sound viscious!;) :D

lowerlobe

22nd Jan 2006, 19:47

If this ever did happen ..which knowing the usual BS that surrounds flying I doubt.
Then they were a pack of girls...honestly,can you imagine guys in a hotel room using an iron in a fight..spare me please...

I hope one of them did not break a nail...or smear his lipstick

sinala1

22nd Jan 2006, 20:32

Latest I have heard is that the QF crew ended up back at the crew room in the VS crew hotel. The crew room is near the 'laundry' room (that hotel does not provide inroom irons, you have to go to the laundry room to do your ironing) and the altercation reached 'ironing' point in there - but as NRT is my next (and last :{ ) trip, I will do some more research :}

lowerlobe

23rd Jan 2006, 00:47

Biscuit chucker..I'm sure that irons and other implements used around the home have been used for purposes other than which they were designed or intended.

However,the thought of a crew member using an iron to attack or defend themselves sounds a bit far fetched..unless you were being threatened with death...or you were some bible fanatic as you mentioned.

were these pugilists tech or cabin crew???

Even with the propensity for fighting that alcohol seems to be encouraging these days,this sounds unlikely even in the russell crowe suite in LAX

I can just see the next cabin crew news #57..

Attention crew ...Irons are not to be used for any purpose other than the correct grooming of uniform and personal attire...death or serious injury may result from such unnauthorised use and as such a request for said iron and board is to be put forward in triplicate to housekeeping

In a former life I used to wear a blue uniform and although I have seen many improvised weapons ,this one sounds like another bit of folklore unless the crew involved were either mentally unstable or affected by foreign substances...or maybe a bible meeting

sinala1

23rd Jan 2006, 08:36

affected by foreign substances
Does the alcohol at The Truck count as a foreign substance? I can quantitively say that the hangovers one recieves after a night at the truck are by far the worst in the world that I have ever experienced :uhoh: :yuk: :sad:

lowerlobe

23rd Jan 2006, 21:31

Who knows what various crew digest in slip ports but for an item such as an iron to be used (if true) then stupidity booze or whatever must have been involved.

This sounds as though the argument was a little more than a disagreement about cricket or rugby if a weapon was used

capt.cynical

24th Jan 2006, 00:01

:uhoh:
You may all have missed the point !!
The referance to the word Iron may be a term used to flatten something or someone !!
"Yeah mate I threw a right hook and ironed him right out"
:p

lowerlobe

24th Jan 2006, 00:50

or maybe it was over a woman and the other half has returned and wanted the same thing as the other guy...stranger things have happened or started over the prospect of some horizontal fun....and the iron was close as the other guy came through the door....who knows....

the main problem is that you can't just expect some fun these days without someone else wanting to iron your clothes for you...if you know what i mean

wish

28th Jan 2006, 07:13

This incident did happen. The virgin crew were followed back to the crew hotel by two males from the truck. They then seriously assaulted 2 members of the the virgin cc one male and one female , he was hit several times with an iron leaving him unconscious with bad head injuries and the girl having being punched several times. It took place in the vending area.

lowerlobe

28th Jan 2006, 20:12

And you are saying they were Qantas crew????

if this did happen with serious injuries then the police would be all over with crew being questioned at the hotel ....this and considering I do a number of NRT's ,why is the only place I have heard of it is on PPrune

sinala1

28th Jan 2006, 23:08

I can quantatively say this incident did take place, and given the pending police investigation and potential for prosecution against certain individuals (who have been positively identified by VS hotel CCTV footage in conjunction with the other airlines hotel reception staff) may I politely suggest discussion on this topic be suspended for now...

:ouch:

lowerlobe

29th Jan 2006, 06:22

I'm sure you believe that it actually took place but in my time I have heard people swear on oath that they saw something happen or witnessed an event when in reality nothing happened or if it did it was completely different to what was described..

When was this alleged assault supposed to have occured?

sinala1

29th Jan 2006, 09:07

LowerLobe I know for a fact that it took place, and that the crew involved have since returned to NRT to pursue the police actions... I am not at liberty to discuss it in any more detail on a public forum... sorry!

:ouch:

milli

29th Jan 2006, 18:56

I work for Vs and I too heard this and thought - Im honestly not surprised as our guys can get a bit over protective of us sometimes!! Even if we just talk to other guys!!

It does totally make sense if it was in the vending area as there is a washing/vending machine area down there and thats usually where eventyone ends up for thier chix n chips of an eve!! (wot no ebaneezas!)

lowerlobe

29th Jan 2006, 21:50

I find it interesting that in an industry that excels at rumour mongering that there is not a whiff of this in QF...To mates of mine and myself that are NRT regulars you would have thought that we would have heard about this by now especially if the local boys in blue are asking questions...

Maybe the guys involved are not with Qantas....I realise that you cannot give names here but someone here could at least give a time frame for this alleged assault.That would not prejudice any investigation!!!

lowerlobe

30th Jan 2006, 20:17

Interesting how it has not made any news in sydney but then again if it was QF cabin crew it would be on pages 1,2 and 3 in every Australian newspaper but if it was QF tech crew then it would be hushed up and would probably never come out....This is if the alleged were in fact QF crew..

EI-CFC

30th Jan 2006, 23:36

Vending area Tokyu Hotel
Quantas Flight Deck
Iron
around 11th Jan

Cluedo?

(Sorry, I shouldn't be facetious as it sounds like a nasty incident. I feel sorry for the crew involved :()

ozskipper

31st Jan 2006, 13:56

Oh well, that makes perfect sense .... the offenders were from QUANTAS! That's why we at QANTAS haven't heard anything! :E

Virgin82

31st Jan 2006, 17:59

Okay Lets Get the story Straight........ I was on the VS crew on that trip.

They VS guy that was so called "ironed" was infact very badly injured. As a trained nurse I was appalled by his injuries.

The QF (x2 flight deck crew) Push my female Crew member over on the floor. and as the male tried to protect her one guy punched him and took an Iron from the work surface and hit it on his head x3 times.

This took place in a room in the hotel where people go to use the iron as there are none in the room. There are vending machines in the room and the two VS crew were in there whilst getting food after returning from the truck. The two QF guys were not staying at the hotel and should not have been there.

I was horrified that one of my crew was treated in this way. Especially from two flight deck personnel. I see all of us as one big family when down route. However, this incident is horrifying and the crew members involved all positioned back to base and Virgin Atlantic are taking the matter very very seriously. The doctor reported if the blow to the guys head was 2cm to the left it could have killed him!!

The guys involved should be ashamed of themselve. Nothing but over trained animals.

Regards.

nite flyer

31st Jan 2006, 19:04

If this is indeed what happened, then I hope the two QF crew are reading this.

Enjoy the last days of your freedom guys, I hope you'll rot in jail. And the closest you'll ever come to an aircraft again is to suck out the sh1t from the bottom of it.

I hope VS pursue the incident to the end, and not get fobbed off by any authorities. Its the only way these peasants will understand.

ChixMukanwhalla

1st Feb 2006, 03:07

Let's start with Virgin82's post.

"I was on the VS crew on that trip" .......but where you in the ironing room at the time of the alleged incident and an eyewitness to it or are you relying on 2nd or 3rd hand ,potentially biased description of alleged events ?

The QF (x2 flight deck crew) Push my female Crew member over on the floor. and as the male tried to protect her one guy punched him and took an Iron from the work surface and hit it on his head x3 times.

and the two VS crew were in there whilst getting food after returning from the truck.

was the female crew member with the two VS crew returning from the truck or was she already in the ironing room ? I am a bit confused.

Where was the 2nd Qf flight deck crew while the first Qf flight deck crew was allegedly attacking the first VS crew.
Where was the 2nd VS crew while the first VS was allegedly being attacked ?

How do you even know they were qf flight deck crew or indeed QF airlines at all ??
Did you see their ID's. Where they in uniform?

Did they tell you ?
Did they tell your informant ?

The two QF guys were not staying at the hotel and should not have been there.

The Qf hotel is the Holiday Inn .What indeed was their reason for being there ? Did they go to the Tokyu Hotel specifically looking for the two (three?) VS crew.

Where they invited ?

Where they in the room first or did they arrive after the VS crew ?

Was there an earlier incident during the evening either at the truck or perhaps someplace else that precipitated this alleged attack ?

Your brief description of the incident makes it out to be unprovoked and random.

I find this hard to believe .

I simply ask these questions to illustrate that there is obviously much more to the story and unlike some posters here who are ready to try , convict and hang the 2 alleged perpetrators on the strength of Virgin82's interesting but flimsy post , I prefer to pass judgement when all the facts come out.

I hope the the matter was reported to the Nippon cops at the time of the incident .Pursuing it retrospectively will be a hell of a job.

Hopefully there is some CCTV footage to assist .

Hand Solo

1st Feb 2006, 09:05

ozskipper

1st Feb 2006, 09:14

ChixMukanwhalla - sounds highly plausible to me. 2 QF crew go the VS hotel crew room sniffing, get nowhere then try it on with different hostie leading to fisticuffs. Lets face it, QF crews have got a p*ss poor reputation when it comes to brawling and general drunken aggression downroute.

Nothing like a bit of speculation and generalisation first thing in the morning is there. Maybe we can stick to fact.

I've no doubt that if this event occurred that most QF crew would be horrified, embarrassed and would happily support any criminal / disclipinary action that takes place. Painting us all with the same brush isn't entirely fair I wouldn't have thought.

blueloo

1st Feb 2006, 12:01

Handsolo, please provide factual evidence to support your claim. Thank you.

Virgin82

1st Feb 2006, 17:37

Dear All,

I dont want to give to much away due to the safety and security of all crew involved and hotel names etc.

However, the two guys QF were very drunk. One hit the VS crew member, whilst the other one was so pissed he just stood there (prob not sober enough to be a proper chap and stop his mate)

The VS guy who was hit was in the vendong area / ironing room with a female crew member. They both went to get food from the vending area.

We know they were QF guys as they informed my two crew members to this.
I did not see it first hand as I was away in bed. However, I was woken with a call from the hotel management and asked to come to the lobby where the two VS crew members were in tears and the Male crew member had blood and cuts to his head.

There was cctv and the two chaps were seen casually walking out of the hotel.

I think the QF chaps had far to much to drink got off the Bus at the VS hotel as u can get off at any - I have done so in the past and was not challenged.

They know VS party hard and may thought there was going to be a room party etc. As there was no party I guess they were just being idiots.

What happened happened and people may say what they think as people are intitled to this. However, as I said before this was an isolated incident and its a shame and terrible that this happened especailly "to one of our own".

The crew members involved are back flying and a little shaken. However, I am sure it will take more than a drunk brawl to keep them out of the skies! After all we are the coolest of the lot :}

Safe Flying :ok: and even safer landings :O

Hand Solo

2nd Feb 2006, 05:19

blueloo - there have been a couple of well publicised events in NRT of late involving QF crew brawling with each other, which have led to the cancellation of certainly one, possibly two serviced back to Oz. Plus there was another well publicised brawl in the OF hotel in LAX. Also lots of anecdotal evidence from friends and colleagues who've had the misfortune to cross paths with a bunch of tanked up QF ockers downroute. Generally we just try to avoid QF downroute this days, always up for aggro and get bolshy when they lose at pool.

blueloo

2nd Feb 2006, 08:28

well it takes 2 to tango

exvicar

2nd Feb 2006, 09:16

Blueloo

Not always. Some idiots just go out looking for trouble & if you happen to be in the wrong time at the wrong place, which shouldn't include your own hotel, then there may not be a lot you can do about it. Lets see what the investigation comes out with. If, however, it is true, then i hope there are 2 more vacancies at Quantas.

lowerlobe

2nd Feb 2006, 21:29

If this truly did happen whether the alleged boofheads were QF or not then this is amazing..

What is happening to the world ,we have parking and driving rage as well as many others..

I have been flying for nearly 30 years and we have always partied hard as most crew do but this never or very rarely happened in the old days and by that I mean 20 odd years ago...

There have been far too many occurences of assault of late..(one is too many)

Whoever committed this assault should be hung out to dry and not allowed to operate a wheel barrow let alone a commercial aircraft if it happened as explained..

frank foxworth

3rd Feb 2006, 10:05

I doubt that drink-related acts of disorder are of a higher frequency at QF than other airlines .
Too much Ego ,testosterone and jet lag mixed with high doses of truck stop beeroo have played havoc with the meekest and mildest astronauts behaviour.

A couple of draught Asahi's and they think they are bad 'n mean rock and roll hellraisers .
The only distihguishing feature is the clothing and footwear.
Were the perps the other night wearing Hush puppies ?

Le 3rd Homme

3rd Feb 2006, 11:15

Ooh Frank you are wicked!:}

lowerlobe

3rd Feb 2006, 21:10

Yep that’s right hush puppies and safari suits….you can pick tech crew anywhere (eewww ugly thought…..but typical)

I had always thought that the older tech crew who were ex military guys were arrogant and a pain in the neck but at least they had discipline (and had probably seen more than enough violence during the war) which is more than a little lacking with the new breed who definitely think they are astronauts and everyone should be at their disposal.

If you think the episode in the Russell Crowe suit at the misadventure was the first in LA ,you might not have heard about the pool episode in Pasadena with the driver’s and some pool furniture.There was an incident which I remember from the old days in Karachi and the capt involved had to pay for the pool to be drained to remove broken glass and the cost of water at the time in Karachi was not cheap.There was also the time in Jakarta when someone wanted to find out if the pool bar (which was in the shape of an Indonesian fishing boat) would float...so late one night they launched it and you don't have to be a submarine captain to guess what happened.

At least with these (in the old days) no physical violence was involved, just some fun and financial compensation afterwards but not anymore apparently

Whoever did this in NRT should be driving semi’s not commercial aircraft but if it was QF tech crew ,it is being hushed up from the highest level because no word of it is being spoken at all…….The papers have not anything at all either ,maybe a lot of favours are being called in or maybe it wasn't QF crew at all just someone who said they were with QF?