Scandinavian FTO's [Archive]

Biz

21st Dec 2005, 13:46

Hey everybody.

Would you good people please post up the names of some FTO's in the Norwegian, Sweden & Denmark areas please? Preferably looking for FTO's who do integrated or back-to-back modular courses, similar to those offered in the UK & USA......except the price of course! :}

I know of SAS in Stockholm/Copenhagen and Patria in Finland only, but am keen to know of others in the areas mentioned.

Many thanks in advance.

Özcan

21st Dec 2005, 14:42

in sweden i know:

lidair (www.lidair.se or .com)
www.bfsaa.se (or .com)
www.flyguppdraget.com (or .se)
sturup ifr center, look it on google to find their page

The abinitio courses are pretty expensive in sweden but the modular way is very cheap in sweden compared even internationally i think

bfsaa has got a good reputation and their course cost around 470.000 swedish kronor, also add the living costs of 8 months in san diego to that and you will approximately have your cost. Doing modular in sweden would cost you around 300-400.000 swedish kronor

i'm currently doing my PPL (i'm only 17 years old) and i'm going the modular way and finishing my high school studies, i will start the ATPL-distance theory here in sweden when i've finished high school (might be too heavy else)

i can list the places where you can go for single certificates if you are interested in the modular training in sweden as well but i saw you preferably look for ab.initio

also have a look at south africa! there are pretty good deals over there i think

NCB

22nd Dec 2005, 09:34

Hi,

Intergrated and modular programs in norway/usa:
www.near-as.no

Good luck!!

Steelspirit

22nd Dec 2005, 11:42

Norwegian Aviation College in Bardufoss, Norway
"PROBABLY THE BEST PILOT TRAINING PROGRAMME IN THE WORLD" www.pilotutdanning.no :ok:

paradropper

22nd Dec 2005, 18:28

Steelspirit,

Can't agree more

Pornkingspirit:E

freightdog

22nd Dec 2005, 18:59

Probably the most expensive too.......

Every time I'm up there or have one of the guys in my jumpseat, I often wonder what makes a person fork out close to a million NOK (I'd charge a million just to go there and live).

Later down the road there will be poor paid jobs, and normally one settles and buy a home.....on top of that first million. You better hope for a well-to-do wife or pin your hopes to the pilot unions and their work for improved conditions (or fly till age 70 to pay it all back).

And most likely, no one will ever, ever ask where you trained............at least none of my employers ever asked.

Özcan

22nd Dec 2005, 19:14

1 million NOK?!?!?! holy smokes.... that's £94000... do they offer guarantueed direct entries to the business right away after finishing?

BestGlide

22nd Dec 2005, 19:44

No direct entry! :}

The funny thing is that very few people in the European aviation business have ever heard about "THE BEST PILOT TRAINING IN THE WORLD", so if you have a lot of money to spend on an illusion - go ahead! :) ...okey, I know they offer a very good education, but with no direct entry or anything else that can help your pilot carreer with a flying start, spend your money somewhere else!

The good news however, is that NAC is about to "merge" with University of Tromsø. They will not start a new class until that process is completed, and checked...I will guess autumn 2006.

You can also check out http://www.luftfartsskolen.no

Flip Flop Flyer

23rd Dec 2005, 00:39

1 Mill Noggie Kroner and then how much for beer and sandwiches? Another Mill? Beautiful country, Norway is, but hot diggity darn it's expensive!

K. Soze

26th Dec 2005, 12:59

Dunno how you got it to 1. mill. nkr.:

ECONOMICS

Up to now the education has the following expences:

COSTS
Integrated training = NOK 670.000
Educational equipment and uniforms = NOK 9.000
Lodging = NOK 1.000 - 2.500 a month
CAA fees for exams = (Theroy ATPL, Skilltest CPL, RT CAA-regulations)

Oh and btw when the deal with the University starts it will be free of charge - at least thats the plan.

Flathatter

27th Dec 2005, 07:09

"THE BEST PILOT TRAINING IN THE WORLD"
I laughed so hard I had milk squirting out my nose!
NAC'ers are banned from my jumpseat. I got so tired of listening to their bull@#$%. The only thing they teach well in Bardufoss is arrogance.

Skunkworks

27th Dec 2005, 07:35

Educational equipment and uniforms = NOK 9.000

Ehh, uniforms?

Although paying for your uniform might prepare you for your coming "career" with Ryanair, there are few things more pathetic than stepping out of a C172 in uniform and four stripes...Howdy Captain!

On a slightly more serious note - a while ago I was looking through some ATPL manuals that were being published. They were quite good, and if I remember correctly they were published by a norwegian school. Looking at Luftfartsskolen however it seems that they use Jeppesen/Oxford manuals. Any idea which school that was?

joerkaaff

27th Dec 2005, 16:30

I'll be sure to keep that in mind should you ever need one, Flathatter. Our paths may cross out here somwhere.

USA trained pilots are banned from my jumpseat. I got so tired of listening to their bull@#$%. The only thing they teach well in America is arrogance.

NAC-trained pilots fly for SAS, British Airways, Singapore, Monarch, Easyjet, Ryanair, Excel, Air Lingus, Fly Be, Tyrolean, Widerøe, Lufttransport, Skyways, Blue One, Air Atlantic, Cimber Air, DAT, Sterling, Norwegian....

I have no problem believing you've met one - or even several - arrogant, out-of-touch 22 year olds who come form NAC.... but by-god I've met a lot of arrogant self-absorbed a$$hole pilots from other schools as well. I've had them in the right seat, and I've had them in the left seat.

If you can judge 250 pilots trained over a 10 year period as "(full of) bull@#$%" and arrogant, then you're a wiser man than me.

As for the statement in italics above, it's equally as absurd as your own post.

GRIFFIN2000

27th Dec 2005, 22:31

For you who wondered what kind of uniforms used at NAC they use dark blue nomex flight suits with no stripes at all. White shirt, dark blue trousers and tie during ground school. So, no "mister fancy" in the cockpit... :-)

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Darn Spandinavians. I beat them in the war and I`ll beat them again!!!

Bengt Engel

28th Dec 2005, 18:38

might be nice to have one of those uniforms if you find yourself stranded on a mountain top in norway...

Cloud surfer

29th Dec 2005, 16:05

Really quite a stupid topic, but let's close it then.

Students at Bardufoss wear Flight Suits, which as already mentioned, are made of Nomex; which is fire resistant.

Add to that a good pair of socks, a pair of boots, long underwear and a wool t-shirt accompanied with a NATO-style V sweather and a "bjørnefitte"; and you'll still be in serious trouble with an off-field landing in this part of the world. So the aircraft has to carry a survival pack onboard. But even then, you've still got the odds against you.

So I suppose one should stop flying all together up there. That would also apply to much of the Northern United States, Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland or wherever else the weather isn't a steady 25 degrees with a McDonalds around every corner.

Bengt Engel; what do you recommend of flying apparel for this part of the world? Send an email to [email protected]. I'm sure he'll implement the changes based on your great insight if its for the better! :)

A flight suit is a great pice of clothing for just that: flying. (No belts, not easily ignitable, accesible and customized pockets, no worries of oil, hydraulic and fuel stains etc. etc.)

Skunkworks

29th Dec 2005, 16:58

Easy now, surfer dude... ;)

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I think that B.E. was actually posting a serious reply to me since I was having a laugh at the uniforms.

What sparked my remark was when I had a chat with this instructor I met. Not only did he consider himself to be God's gift to aviation (and mankind in general) but he also, being the "commander" of the C172, wore uniform and 4 stripes.

Since I actually did say that there are a few things more pathetic - so I guess being stranded on a Norwegian mountain at -30C in Bermuda shorts and t-shirt would be even more pathetic. When I think about it, that "bjørnefitte" you were talking about - should be on the ETOPS MEL...

So I suppose one should stop flying all together up there.

Just vote for Miljöpartiet (Swedish Green party) in the next election and that will sort itself out...

Bengt Engel

1st Jan 2006, 21:47

Bengt Engel; what do you recommend of flying apparel for this part of the world? Send an email to [email protected]. I'm sure he'll implement the changes based on your great insight if its for the better! :)

As a matter of fact I was making a serious reply to Mr Skunk, but hey, not easy for you to know, surfing around the clouds and all...:E

but to close the subject, dont worry about me getting oil and hydraulics on me gear...I just dry-clean it on the cost of the company...and you know what, it even comes with a very nice pocket that can hold a pen! :ok:

Cloud surfer

2nd Jan 2006, 09:38

eahlund

3rd Jan 2006, 03:22

well im currently at BFSAA in San diego at gillespie field.... PM me if you want some information

Bengt Engel

3rd Jan 2006, 11:05

Hi guys.

Mr. Surfer was definately too trigger happy, and he apologizes. Slightly shamed, but all the wiser. It's been a good 10 years since he was a student in that flightsuit, but has a tendency to still feel rather protective about it.

Happy new year everyone!

Well, I must admit, I have been ironical in most of my posts during the last 5 years on this here forum, not easy to tell I was serious....:E

And we are all colleagues in this here business, so lets keep together on the outside and keep the bashin' in here...:}

Those schools can have whatever stars and stripes they want on their shirts...I know were I am, and what I do....

Did fly in one of those nomex meself....kinda liked it... (no fries on it though:ok: )

lilpilot

6th Jan 2006, 05:56

Getting back closer to the thread, here's my question:

I'm looking for accurate info on CAA fees for the scandinavian countries including theory exams, issuance of licenses/certificates/ratings, skill/practical test, radio license (if needed) and whatever else might come up.

Also average airplane rental prices on a 172 and average instructor fees might be helpful.

I hold FAA certificates and plan to start the conversion process this year, but the brits are out of their bloody minds, I calculated 2000 pounds just for CAA fees. I don't expect miracle prices compared to the US prices, but I'm hoping to find something close to reasonable.

FlyByHeart

6th Jan 2006, 08:25

Hi lilpilot, I've got a link to the danish fees (http://www.slv.dk/Dokumenter/dscgi/ds.py/Get/File-3450/9_10_ud4_stamkort.pdf), but unfortunately it is in danish only. I do not know what licences you're after, but asuming that it is CPL/ATPL, I can tell you that the Danish CAA will charge you £175 for each ATPL written exam! The cpl skill test will cost you about £480. As Denmark will we the country of license issue - you'll be charged £133 as a yearly fee.

To sum it up: when it come to fees - do not even think about going to Denmark.

DA50driver

6th Jan 2006, 13:34

Hvorfor skal Norske skattebetalere betale for flygerutdanninger? Du kan ikke kaste en stein i Oslo uten a treffe en stakkar som jobber som bartender for a betale tilbake alle pengene han lante for a bli flyger pa 80 og 90 tallet.
Jeg er en Nordmann som ble boende i USA, og trives veldig godt der.
JAR er en av de dummeste ting Europa har funnet pa. Det er absolutt ingen grunn til at jeg skal vite hvordan Honeywell bygde min FMS, eller hvordan GPS virker. Alt jeg trenger a vite er hvordan det skal virke, og hva jeg gjor nar det ikke virker. Jeg har ikke lov til a fikse det allikevel.
Jeg jobber na i Moskva en stund, og som en US utdannet flyger klarer jeg meg helt fint her borte. Til og med de litt eldre JAR flygerne jeg prater med syns det er mye tull i JAR.
Sa kom og tren i USA, du kan gjore det for en brokdel av det det koster i Europa, og aerodynamics virker akkurat pa samme maten der som her, en NDB eller ILS er stort sett det samme begge steder ogsa. Den Europeiske holdningen at de vet sa mye bedre begynner a bli litt gammel, og jeg har sett begge deler na og mener at det er pa tide a samarbeide for Kina utdanner alle flygerene trengt over hele verden. Om ti ar kommer vi alle til a ha drittjobber hvis det fortsetter sann som na.
Paul

deice

6th Jan 2006, 18:26

Absolutely true DA50driver. There is nothing to gain by learning the JAR way, but rather tons of money to lose. And as pointed out JAR requires that you know lots of crap to pass your theory. Unfortunately for all of us in JAR country the idea of flight is different to the US. Just try getting an IR-rating for a PPL. You need to know the Boeing 737 EFIS, FMS and all.
This is purely designed to hinder private individuals from flying under IMC and provides nothing to the ATPL student. He'll learn all these things at the TR course for the type he's going to fly.
From what I've heard it's the frenchs' fault - they wanted to prohibit IR in combination with PPL - what good have they ever done for flight in Europe?:}

OnRoute

6th Jan 2006, 20:19

Finnish fees (http://www.ilmailuhallinto.fi/files/lth/Ilmailuhallinto/Maksutaulukko.pdf) (only in Finnish).

Theory exams: 26e/each, CPL license issue 250e, ratings to CPL 100e or 250e, check flight 300e, if for more than one purpose add 150e (eg CPL+IR).

-OnRoute-