Virgins off to Emirates [Archive]

TIMMEEEE

17th Dec 2005, 04:38

In the inside back cover of the latest Flight Int'l, there is an interview with a Mr Rick Halliwell who's in charge of Emirates recruiting.

When he joined Emirates in 2000 they were recruiting 16-20 pilots per month.
That figure will shortly be increased to 100 pilots per month.

The following quote really scares me though........

"We already have some Chinese staff......mainly ground staff and cabin crew.......but we are also exploring the opportunities for Chinese Tech Crew"

I fielded 2 calls from mates that are A340 Captains in Emirates that are disillusioned with life in the sand pit, not to mention Emirates itself.

Rapid expansion maybe but these A340 guys would love to work in Oz........Virgin Blue Brissy basing especially!!!

As they say, the grass is always greener.

Gnadenburg

17th Dec 2005, 04:40

I would love to hear their professional due diligence in making such a move!

Brisbane to Dubai? Living with Arabs? Possibility of a falling USD? Similar pay?

TIMMEEEE

17th Dec 2005, 04:49

Check out this (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=170290&highlight=leaving+Emirates)

Looks like getting in was a piece of cake compared with trying to leave!

These guys holding your passport frightens the bejesus out of me!!

ratpoison

17th Dec 2005, 09:39

4 in total in the last 4 weeks. 3 FO's and 1 Captain
You poor ba**ards. Leaving a beautiful first world country in Bris Vegas and dragging your families to that sh**hole. Don't say that the boys and girls on Prune did'nt warn you.
"but Rat its a great company and endless money that's tax free"
Yeah right. !!!:p

halas

17th Dec 2005, 10:15

TIMMEEE

Not that l hold much regard for what 'Rick the dick' says, but when you qoute something it should be verbatum.

The article quote says...

“We already have some Chinese staff,” says Helliwell, “but this is our first concerted venture into China. We will probably mainly be looking for cabin crew and airport service desk staff, but we will also explore the opportunities for technical roles.”

He does not mention TECH CREW.

Yes. The grass is always greener.

halas

By the way, no-one holds your passport. How are you supposed to get into Australia as crew if they did?

Andu

17th Dec 2005, 10:33

At the risk of sounding like everyone's dad, my advice would be "keep your virginity."

I know no one will take any notice, but to anyone surrendering said virginity, please remember not so very long down the track: you were told.

74world

17th Dec 2005, 12:09

G'day,

You might find that guys leaving VB are guys that only know EK and DXB from EK's web site or because they've spent 3 days there for the interview.....

They have also converted what EK pays, 18000 Dirhams (which is crap!), into Oz dollars, not taking into account the cost of living.

Who cares about the "No income tax" salary??? the only reason people are not paying income tax is because of the indirect taxes (high cost of living)!!!!! nothing is free in this world......

Who ever thinks VB treat people like ****, wait until you get into EK.......you will only be "white pakistanis"!

I'm sure you know the say: "grass is always greener....." (yeah because it grows on ****!)

Cheers....

:p

jetblues

18th Dec 2005, 00:38

The general consensus thus far is as expected. Perhaps there is potentially as much to look forward to in OZ as anywhere else at the moment.

Patience is a virtue.....

nig&nog

18th Dec 2005, 06:41

Just remeber that the more that leave Oz, just keeps increasing our job security and maybe pay packets one day. (fingers crossed) I'll even pay your one way airport tax.

Gnadenburg

18th Dec 2005, 06:54

Virgin pilots pay for their training. Attrition means little to management; actually, they probably welcome a little!

TIMMEEEE

18th Dec 2005, 11:16

Halas.

While I hear what you say, the fact is that Emirates just cant get enough drivers.
Hell, its just so bad that pilot recruits dont even turn up to Dubai in the first place and some intake courses are left with gaping holes!!

Bet your gonads that they will be seeking pilots from China. Thats the way I read it and mates very senior in Emirates agree this isi the case.
These same people in Emirates claim they have been actively recruiting pilots from many third world countries (India, Pakistan, Philipines, Indonesia, former Eastern Block nations) and are paying them less than other expats.
China is only a matter of time.
To some of these guys its a great step up in both pay and conditions though!!

What other "Technical Roles" could the Chinese provide seeing that their major airlines are relatively new compared to their Western counterparts???

To quote the article,

You have three days to do all this once you have stopped flying, and you only get your passport back at the airport from Marhaba as you also get your release from Dubai ticket. Emirates will keep your end of service benefits, (ie your contributions) for three months just in case some one comes up and says that you owe them money.

I gather that when in the Emirates your passport is to be held and released to you upon departing.
Thats how crew get to Australia!

Arabs holding your ticket to freedom (pasport)................now thats a comforting thought!

Foreign Worker

18th Dec 2005, 11:46

Here's some interesting info.
I attended a nationalisation ceremony recently at one of the Australian embassies (overseas).
Amongst the other "new" Australians was a quite well-spoken Chinese (Taiwanese) lady, who unlike the others, had no family or friends with her to witness her "Australianisation".
A little curious as to how she had qualified for Aussie citizenship, I asked her if she was married to an Australian. The reply was in the negative, and so I asked her outright how she had gained eligibility. She used a term like "skilled labour" or "desired labour", or something similar.
Previous to this, she had stated that she was about to embark on an examination shortly, that would better qualify her to continue her work in the country she now resided in - which is not Australia, nor is her employer an Australian company.

When I asked her if she would be applying for an Australian passport, she also answered in the negative.

So WHY would she desire Australian citizenship?

Apparently it had been "offered" to her (by whom, I have no idea), because of the labour category she fell into.
And that was........................an aviation avionics engineer.

There won't be any need to bring in "foreign" labour - they'll all be Australians!

V1650

18th Dec 2005, 11:47

This is to clarify the mystery with your passport, before entering the country copies of your passport and passport photos are required by your employer.The number of passport photos required depends on how useless the operations office is at remembering where they are or then deciding that they require a different blue back ground.

You enter Dubai - with your passport - and get stamped into the country for approx 30 days.You may need to do a visa run to revalidate your passport if it looks like your going to exceed the 30 days - hey easy to do as you fly an aeroplane. Your company will then obtain a working visa for you.

Once you have all that all sorted out everthing is settled, all the time with your passport in your hot little hand.

The only time you surrender your passport is when you leave the company and country for good, I faintly remember its 24 to 48 hours before you leave the country you hand over the passport.
At the airport you are met by a company representitive who has your passort to ensure that you pass through immigration fully. Then your on your way home, all very painless and worked for me.

The passport deal is part of Dubais labour laws and no great mystery.It is also illegal in Dubai for your passport to be held so as you cannot leave the country, you can read about that in the Gulf news every so offen.

DeBurcs

18th Dec 2005, 16:58

Timmeeeee, you tool. No one keeps your passport. What the hell have you been smoking???

They take passports from the guys and glue a visa into it, then they hand it back to them a few days later.

What the hell good would an airline pilot be without his passport on him????? :rolleyes:

Who filled your head with this crap and why do you automatically believe it.....

donpizmeov

18th Dec 2005, 17:55

Timmeee,

Ya know I do not think any part of your previous post has any truth in it all.
Further to the passport thing, all new joiners get paid the same. Regardless of where they come from. In fact we have a few fellows from the nations that you mentioned that joined as DECs, who get paid more than some of the captains that were already working here. (One of the joys of the sandpit).

Don

Edited to say I was wrong. You were correct in stating EK is finding it hard getting enough drivers.

Captain Sand Dune

18th Dec 2005, 19:07

The Saudis hold the passports of foreigners. That's where the confusion may have come from.

Merry Christamas in the sandpit people.:ok:

TIMMEEEE

18th Dec 2005, 20:33

De Burcs

Your inherent character is typified on this site when you lose the plot and call someone a tool for quoting another.

Yes - V1650 even states that when departing permanently your passport is handed over some days prior. That is fact.
Now would you feel comfortable knowing these people have your passport?
It can get lost, misplaced or they could make life hard for you.
Either way your freedom is in their hands some days before you leave as they hold your passport.

I for one dont find this practice acceptable.
By the way Halas, would you feel comfortable in Saudi Arabia?
They hold foreigners passports also according to Capt Sand Dune and that my friend is common practice.
Bugger that!

Dompizmeov.

My two Senior Check mates in Emirates claim that with the influx of pilots from Third World nations, the company will seek to further reduce both pay and conditions.
This has started already, particularly the conditions and shifting of the goal posts for overtime etc.
If you are happy with your lot then fine and good - all your mates think this practice is a retrograde step.
But then again Emirates are desperate for pilots and will take desperate measures.......apart fom paying more money!!

Whats to stop them reducing pay for new recruits Don?
Nothing!!!
They already amended your contracts for overtime without consulting you guys and trustworthy as they are (not) will do it again to suit themselves.
Try going to the union!!!
A number of check Captains that decided to resign as a group were threatened with a gaol sentence as mass resignation was considered as industrial sabotage.
They had to resign in dribs and drabs instead.

Further to this, my friends in Emirates all say the same thing now - the airline is good for short term only.

Anything longer than 6 or so years and you will be looking for another job......on that they are unanimous !
To quote someone that has flown for Emirates for the last 15 or so years, "Leave Virgin Blue or Qantas to join Emirates...........you gotta be fu*#ing braindead !!"

Shall I go on?

If you guys are happy there then wonderful and I wish you well, but to quote a relative that was deputy governer of a very well known bank that you probably have accounts with, "as an expat in the UAE, you are a second class citizen in what is effectively a very nice third world country.....with no legal rights "

Sleep well.

donpizmeov

19th Dec 2005, 04:39

I can see you are full of Christmas Cheer Timmee.
We have enough to worry about over here with regards what is happening, let alone worry about what might happen. As has been stated already, you were wrong with regards the passport thing and EK, you were wrong with regards the pay issue and EK, you were wrong when you misquoted that dick rick. Not a good track record old fella.

Whats all this about asking if we want to live in Saudi? Nooooo we do not want to live there, so we don't...do try and keep up will you.

Now our conditions have been erroded a lot (12 months ago in fact). And yes they do change without any consultation. And no we are not happy with that. If you had of mentioned those things, I would have agreed with you.

But tell me, are the conditions at QF the same as they were before? Have you gone to your union to get it sorted? Worked pretty well didn't it. Guess we will not be seeing Porn Star take any of the QF flying will we. It is funny that you are worried about the pay for future recruits being reduced (which I can not see happening), as aren't QF doing this very same thing with Porn Star? Didn't you and the rest of your pilot union sell out new joining SO by voting yes to allow New SOs to be sent and based in SIN? Perhaps you are a bit confused.

For the record I do not think I would leave VB and Brissie to come and live here. But that is a choice that the individual has to make.

Now go away, talk to your two senior checkie mates, and when you have some facts, come back and discuss them.

Don

TIMMEEEE

19th Dec 2005, 07:28

Donpizmeov

I wish yourself and your family the best for Christmas and the new year.
Enough Christmas cheer there for you?

Well, this thread is about leaving VB for EK, but when two guys with 15+ years experience in your airline ring you at home and ask about jobs in Oz its gotta make you wonder!

I may have been wrong about the passport issue, but others even state that it is a requirement to hand in your passport a few days before leaving permanently.

By the way Don - never assume how I vote with regard to union ballots.

No Qantas is not perfect but at least I've seen them move heaven and earth to help crew when their chips are down, have personal or family problems and have a network in place for this specific purpose.
Yes, things are changing in Oz and Qantas, but so is the rest of the world.

Also if you are going to be living and working as a pilot in Australia, Qantas provides a career path and not just a job and is most pilot's first choice if possible.
I consider myself fortunate but at the same time I openly criticise my employer when I think criticism is warranted.
No company is perfect by any standards and it is because we are passionate about our professions and take pride in our jobs and employer that we criticise them openly.

I imagine open and public criticism is not encouraged at Emirates.

At least we have some sort of industrial law in this country whereby contracts are binding legally and there is legislation in place to prevent unannounced changes.

No, our union or industrial system is far from perfect either, but at least we have the right to be part of one and there are mechanisms in place.

Both these friends and a close relative very high in the UAE banking system say its only a matter of time before a large number of Chinese staff (especially Techies and mechanics) are recruited.

Whether the Chinese will let them go is another point open to debate as skilled labour in China is already in short supply.

You ask me about facts?
Well thats it Don.
Like I said when Emirates senior check staff want to join either QF as second officers or Virgin Blue you gotta sit up and take notice.
That is a fact!!!

74world

19th Dec 2005, 08:33

"I imagine open and public criticism is not encouraged at Emirates."

TIMMEEEE, mate you could not be more correct!

Actually not to many of you guys would be aware of that, but unions are against the LAW in the UAE.

Couple of years ago, some Aussies got together to start a union in Emirates, of course management hear of it, and the most senior guy in that group was called in the the Chief pilot's office and was asked to give the names of the other guys that were planing to start a union.

Initialy he did refuse, but "the law" was explained to him, Unions are illegal in the UAE punish by jail.
I don't believe that that those guys would have gone to jail, but would have lost their jobs for sure and asked to leave Dubai within 24 hours.

Last but not least, if you try question the procedures or even the system in Emirates, "they" will tell you that maybe it is time for you to leave, plenty of people (mainy from Asia,India and Pakistan) are willing to take your place.....

Welcome to Emirates!

Cheers

Defenestrator

19th Dec 2005, 09:33

Timmee,
I suspect the reason you have to forfeit your passport a few days before you leave is to have the work visa etc cancelled in your passport. If you have your family there then their passports will have to go through the same process as they will have been granted visas on the basis of the bread winners employment. Nothing more, nothing less.

No agro intended.
:ok:

DeBurcs

19th Dec 2005, 10:37

Timmeeeeeee... I also know people at EK. Here's how it works:

Yes they do take your passport in Dubai before you leave. That's because Dubai is not really a country, it's more like a corporation in a company town, run by a few families. When you leave, they want your visa un-glued from your passport so that you cannot come back in except on a tourist visa, like everyone else.only a matter of time before a large number of Chinese staff (especially Techies and mechanics) are recruitedBet your gonads that they will be seeking pilots from ChinaNow think about what you said.

They are ALREADY seeking pilots from China and everywhere else. Even deepest darkest Africa where they have to send somene down to shake a tree. This has been so for several years and they are no longer picky. China has always been a target for recruitment but maybe the Chinese don't think it's polluted enough here for them?? Not enough cats running around? Who knows???

With the recent outbreak of aviation in China and the demand for even more pilots up there, from other sources, I don't think there's going to be an Asian Invasion of EK by Chinamen.

Check out the ME forum. No shortage of references to the reality that the management claim to be overwhelmed with job-applicants BUT as you note, flights are being cancelled, transition courses are half-filled, interviews are not attended and people are leaving. If there were Chinamen everywhere this would not be the case.

By the way, no one else in the world refers to pilots as "techies" or "tech-crew".

Sorry for that crack about your wife but I still think those two guys are faggots.... ;)

halas

19th Dec 2005, 23:57

Timmeee

Like most large airlines they do have a large IT devision. This is a big money earner with this mob under the banner of Mercator. The Indians are leaving for greener parstures back home as the money is not good here. Step in the Chinese workers. They are desperate not to increase costs and keep the work flow happening. That is regarded by many as technical.

Your "mates" have been here for 15 years. For Farks sake why wouldn't thay want to return home? Also coincides with a quite momentous period in the Australian aviation history doesn't it? They got what they voted for. If I'm still here in 15 years, shoot me.

Don't get me wrong, l am the victim of some bad Kiwi decisision making, as are a lot of ex AN people. I would rather not be here. But by the same token l now enjoy a wide-body command, and a command for me in AN was decades away, and the family are happy here too. And they are the most important thing to me.

However a lot of my comrades who joined your mob are nothing more than 2nd officers who do not enjoy their lot at all.

I could go on, like you do, about how badly they are treated with the great experience they have and they way they see their future, but l can't be bothered. Unlike like you.

You don't have to look over into the neighbours back yard to see something that smells when there is something very fishy and rotten in your own back yard.

And another thing. What is your interest and caring in what VB pilots choose as a career? My guess is absolutely nothing. You have a few "Check Captain Vise-president 2IC of the naff department" (Sorry was l miss-quoting you? Something you are very good at!) who have had a gut-full (and who can blame them after 15 years!) of EK and want to get home.

Don't you have any "mates" in VB who are actually doing it tough, and have had enough the pairing structures and rosters? There a lot of people who may just enjoy long-haul, and are not sure of there career progress under the vacuum cleaner man.

My advice to you TIMMEEE is pull your head in. Who gives a stuff what you and your "mates" reckon. If it's that bad, why don't your "mates" post here instead of you?

halas (and me two best mates)

TIMMEEEE

21st Dec 2005, 08:38

Halas

Good to hear you're doing well and your family is enjoying the sand pit.
I'm also glad to hear that after the Ansett you faired well and have a command.

All that said Halas you seem to take offence at some plain truths.
Yes, your very senior pilots are really pissed off - thats a fact.
Yes - EK is looking to recruit pilots from China.
It hasnt happened yet but it will happen.
The banks are starting to get edgy about financing for all those aircraft orders which lack pilots and engineers - and routes for that matter.

My mates ring me and ask me about employemt in Oz - they tell me about their problems and I try to help by offering objective advice.
They couldnt be bothered posting on here because as they say it falls on deaf ears and they will vote with their feet.
They dont want to be further screwed over by those same people that think so highly of you that they amend your contract without your knowledge!!

Sound familiar??
Need I go on??

You tell me to pull my head in Halas..........whatever.
I dont give a rats ar$e and you are entitled to your opinion.
At least if I have a problem I can knock on senior managements door without fear of retribution and give them my two cents worth.

You talk about my back yard Halas.
I said before and I'll say it again - its not perfect but I am happy with my lot and see myself with a career rather than a medium to short term contract.

You obviously seem quite threatened and get all upset when a few home truths are mentioned, but then again doesnt anyone considering leaving a company such as VB to join EK deserve to know whats happening and what they are up against?????
You obviously think not and tell me to pull my head in.....very mature and professional!

This thread is about VB pilots joining EK - not about you Halas.

I do question why someone would go to EK when there seems to be alot of disgruntled, upset, uncertain and pissed off pilots in your company and the traffic seems to be flowing out of Emirates.
The "rats deserting the sinking ship" someone quoted but I wouldnt go that far.
Such rapid expansion in these days of uncertainty certainly has the Central Bank of the UAE very worried but you wouldnt read about it of course.

We could go on all day but I must fly so that I can be at home with my family on Christmas day.

Enough said and seasons greetings!!.

halas

22nd Dec 2005, 04:07

TIMMEEE

You are right that this is not about me and l never intended it to be.

Likewise why is a someone like you with no direct connection with VB or EK hijacking this thread?

You say.....

The EK senior pilots are pissed off,
Pilots will be coming from China,
The UAE Central Bank is worried.
Speak up in EK and fear retribution.
EK is not a career.

Not all the senior pilots are pissed off - fact
China can't get enough pilots themselves - fact
The Central Bank of UAE couldn't give a stuff as EK is registered in the UK - fact
Retribution is a very subjective term and happens every where- fact
EK is not a career for everyone, but it can be for some and is - fact

The sky is falling in!!!!!

Your last post is like all the others. A sensatialist opinion that is formed from either fabricated information, mis-quotes or the basis of two mates who are not happy, and that what ever they feed you is true.

That is certainly NOT FACT. As such l am not at all threatened by what you say.

(By the way, the biggest group of whingers in EK are not the Poms surprisingly. It's the Aussies. Very dissapointing when you hear of all the misery that they spread around.)

What worries me are the furphies you tell along with the vague and loose connection you have to the topic, whilst you preport to be some kind of expert on the topic, which entitles you to guide others in their decision making.

Your CRM skills are nothing short of breath taking. They expose just how mature and proffessional you are.

I have agreed that this place is not for every one, and it has more than a fair share of problems for anyone living here or contemplating the move

And if you are 'all sensative' to the term "pull your head in", which means, if you don't understand, mind-your-own-business, then get over it.

If anyone appears to feel threatened here, it is you.
Why else would you continue with the utter BS that you keep posting?

If you want any respect put some facts on the table. And that sir is something you can't do, because you are mearly an observer.

There is plenty happening in your own pond that you should waorry about, and as l said before, try and stay in your own back-yard. No one likes a busy-body!

Oh, and if that last line about Christmas was supposed to have been a jab? Bad luck! All the family are here to enjoy Christmas and new years. Might even go snow-skiing in the afternoon.

Enjoy your Christmas.

halas

Edited for spelling :)

Karunch

22nd Dec 2005, 08:27

Gentlemen- just on the Chinese pilots, regardless of EK intentions, you will find no Chinese pilots on the payroll for one very simple reason.

They will not be given permission to leave China while the national carrier has a shortage themselves. They also have a training debt to their employer that will take almost 30 years to pay off, and cannot leave until it is. The premium (above local wages) being paid to foreign pilots in China is testament to the current shortage. The Prc is not the free world as we know it.

Taiwanese, Phillipino's etc are another story.

frangatang

1st Jan 2006, 20:51

Keep off the roads there when its foggy,the ragheads still drive at 100mph in 200m viz thinking that allah will provide! Dickheads,and l know what its like having diverted and then being driven back to dubai in the murk

Ejector

2nd Jan 2006, 01:28

Hey 74World

You said on page one,
"Who cares about the "No income tax" salary??? the only reason people are not paying income tax is because of the indirect taxes (high cost of living)!!!!! nothing is free in this world......"

I take the time to disagree with this, yes high cost of living, but compared to what. A regional Australian town, but compared to Sydney, Melbourne or even the way Brisvegas is going , no it is not high. Considering the company financially supports the very large majority of your housing and living cost. Taxes, actually, Aussies, Kiwi’s, Yanks, Poms pay there personal income taxes. In Oz, the gov taxes your income to pay for public services, (and double tax you with fees, surcharges and levies). A simple ‘tax’ on exported oil is plenty to supply these countries with plenty of revenue. So matey, next time you fill up your car, just think,,,,,,you have just paid the Virgin Emirates boys taxes.
Live on Australia.
:)

Capt Claret

2nd Jan 2006, 03:42

As the father of two much loved, half Arabic sons, I take offense at the term raghead. I'd liken it to boong, abo, spic, wog, dago, nigger, etc. That is, it's hardly a complimentary term, can easily be taken to be racist, and is disrespectful.

74world

2nd Jan 2006, 05:37

Hey Ejector,

No I wasn't trying to compare the cost of living with Oz, of course it is way higher.......why not compare it to India and Bangladesh in your ex?

I was thinking about the cost of living in Europe (not counting UK of course)!

Don't get me wrong, EK is not a bad company, just that the money is crap, people have a good lifestyle but after even 20 years (if they can put up with DXB) they won't walk out rich men!

I don't have the figures but it would be interesting to know how many people have resigned from QF or NZ last year......I'm sure a lot more have left EK... :E

Hugh Jarse

2nd Jan 2006, 09:41

Not to mention Skippy/Skip, Gubba(spl?), Aussie/white c##t/pr##k/s##t etc. These are just a few of the names bandied around towards Anglo's at Jarsephine's school. And an all girls' school at that:sad: (And why do we have to call ourselves Anglo's??):confused: That's another term used by "non Anglo's".....;)

Not having a go at ya, Clarrie, and by no means endorsing what the other person wrote that prompted your response. Just pointing out that it happens both ways, but can't be justified under any circumstances:(

Chocks Away

2nd Jan 2006, 10:05

Onya 'Jarse, yuh white prig.:} :ok: (tell Jarsephine to "maintain the rage"):=

Back onto topic... very intriguing to watch the decks of cards shuffle between airlines but one thing is for sure, EK is not the great carrot of allure it once was (indeed alot has changed everywhere).

Good to see things are changing though... (http://www.flightinternational.com/Articles/2005/12/30/Navigation/177/203809/Air+India+Express+pilots+win+pay+rises.html)

Difficult to know which way to turn, as we all have different tolerances and comfort zones... happy hunting!

hoss

2nd Jan 2006, 11:00

Hope your recovering well Jarse and looking forward to flying with you soon you 'bloodnut whitey':p .

18-Wheeler

2nd Jan 2006, 11:24

The Saudis hold the passports of foreigners. That's where the confusion may have come from.

Only if you're overnighting from outside the country.
I've done several Hajj's both based in Jeddah and outside it, and the only time they take your passport is when you come in from outside the country.

(Unless it's changed recently)

Capt Claret

3rd Jan 2006, 01:03

G'day Jarse,

I agree, there is no justification. Though I admit I haven't heard any of the slang for anglos and thus didn't think to include an example. :\

Darwin is the most cosmopolitan city I have lived in, or visited. Some 50+% of the NT poulation have a language other than English as their native tongue, I was told the other day. Acceptance of other peoples up here is very widespread, apart from some red-neckie anti aboriginal sentiment.

donpizmeov

3rd Jan 2006, 07:23

Wheeler,

Sandy lived, worked and played in that part of the sandpit for many years. His flying was not with an airline, and what he states is the truth, for those that reside there.

Have a Happy New year Sandy, hope the country music is not driving you mad.

Don

relax737

5th Jan 2006, 04:29

Foreign Worker, my understanding is that if you hold citizensip of a country, you also hold a passport; I don't think it's voluntary. An exception MAY be dual citizenship where you don't actually collect a passport of your second country.

Do you mean she was securing "residency" as opposed to "citizenship" ??

The Full Brasillia

6th Jan 2006, 04:03

But they get driven to work in Plash Audi's..........

Scooter

6th Jan 2006, 21:58

Quote from HALAS:

"try and stay in your own back-yard. No one likes a busy-body!"

Thats pretty rich coming from the middle east and cruising the Australian pages.
You must be homesick as I get sometimes.

HALAS.....I would have thought you ex Ansett guys would be happy to have a job rather than some of the whinging I copped from a few of your guys in HK recently.

Also HALAS there is such a thing as the Central Bank of the UAE.

To quote their web page:

"it is also the banker and financial advisor to the Government."

Just go to the following link:

http://www.cbuae.gov.ae/

I somehow are doubting you actually work for Emirates if you get that one so woefully incorrect.

Agree with Tim that the rats are starting to desert the sinking ship at EK!

By the way HALAS my mates in VB are doing well and enjoy their job as well as living in Brissy.
They agree though that the rostering could be improved but heah.

Now go and play in your sandpit HALAS and stay in your own back yard!!

1013

6th Jan 2006, 22:34

Maybe I am reading this incorrectly, but the way I read that web attachment the Central Bank of the UAE (which according to HALAS doesnt exist) functions in much the same way as the Reserve Bank of Australia or the US Federal Reserve? :uhoh: :eek: :confused: :O
I think HALAS has been out in the sun too long.

Tunguska

6th Jan 2006, 23:38

Fact - HALAS is behaving like a pratt that has little to contribute to this thread.
Fact - I had to spend an hour the other night listening to someone that was both an ex Ansett as well as an ex Emirates pilot whining for an hour about how it really is and how they are treated.
It was painful really.I dont know how either Ansett or Emirates ever hired this guy.
Fact - there is a Central Bank of the UAE HALAS and
Fact - HALAS sees life through rose coloured glasses
FACT - those going to work for Emirates need to know these facts.

ratpoison

7th Jan 2006, 01:46

But they get driven to work in Plash Audi's..........
Well that's certainly worth uprooting family and life and first world living for a middle east third world sh**hole.

HIALS

7th Jan 2006, 05:27

It's off topic a bit - for which I apologise.

If sufficient people depart EK, can we re-arrange the phrase, "rats deserting a sinking ship" and make it "rats sinking the desert ship"?

Grivation

10th Feb 2006, 07:26

Believe there has been another spate of resignations in the last month. Emirate, Japan, corporate world etc

Anyone on the inside know more?

jetblues

10th Feb 2006, 08:30

Yes, can confirm a few more have headed for greener pastures. More recent departures appear to be Air Japan and Emirates.

The B737 Japan jobs advertised today will certainly lead to many more departures.

The vast majority leaving are FO's who now have seen command time climb into 5-10 yrs with news of only 2 new aircraft nett this year.

All of this will place an interesting twist on the current EBA negotiations if the long awaited Asia Pacific pilot shortage continues as reported in Flight International this week.