Second time

[JOCKEY1]

Hello everyone,

Those who made it through in Hong Kong the second try what did you do differently to prepare yourself? Also are there many that make it the second time?
How long did it take to get the call for the interview after Hong Kong?

Thank you!

[SonicCat]

Second Time? Forget about it. Even if you get yourself some flying experience.
Apply it again after 3 - 5 years, that might get you a chance going to the interview again.
Forget about CPP in CX if you are 2nd timer.
Inside source
SonicCat

[Two Cocks]

SonicCat

Not from what my mates say. Some of them were second timers on recent start dates. Very recent.

They will look at you again, probably after one year but they do look at you. As Monica said to me on my interview, all you have to do is get the required points to pass the interview. If you don't then try again next time.

[SonicCat]

Are we talking about the Cadet Pilot Programme or the Direct Entry department?
Yes, for direct entry, you only need to accumulate the enough points (i.e: flying requiremens) and surely, they'll review your updates and might grant you an interview.
For CPP, if you fail recently (i.e: within 3 years), they'll not look at your profile even if you have gain flight hours or various licenses.
Your "dent" from your first shot really counts.
SonicCat

[JOCKEY1]

I was wondering about DESO.

Thanks!

[SingleSingle]

Hey Jockey,

I am in the same boat as you (without a paddle.................)

Was told to update after 6 months, then from what I have read on this forum, they may not give you another interview until 12 months have passed.

I truly believe everything happens for a reason, even though I felt I did a pretty good job overall, this just wasn't the time for me to join Cathay.

Hard pill to swallow, when you are that close, but now we know for sure if Hong Kong is for us eh?

Do a search on here for second timers, it does happen.

Good luck.

[medflyer]

Maybe we should start a club.... Have been patiently updating them with my new experience (got onto a different type of aircraft shortly after to get better experience)

Definitely worth the wait in my opinion. :ok:

[SingleSingle]

Hey Medflyer,

What do you mean deferred?

I agree with a club, how about PPPP?
Pprune Persistant Pilots.

Ah heck, I think I will just read HTBJ some more, :ouch:

I also think Cathay is worth it, and I believe that they want to see you evolve a little bit, although it would help to know what the weaknesses are huh? :sad:

Cheers.

[metro1]

medflyer,

check your PMs
Thanks

[Flying Bagel]

Second Time? Forget about it. Even if you get yourself some flying experience.

I fly with folks who've applied two to three times on a regular basis. Please don't post 'inside source' information when you're not really on the inside.

[petitfromage]

Ive flown with a few SOs who were happy to admit they got through on their 2nd attempt.
I also know of 1 chap, now a JFO I think, who got in on his 3rd attempt.

It does happen for DESOs. I am not aware of the procedures for the CPP though. Sorry.

[j1cub]

Why bother. If you don't get hired go somewhere else. This is not the only airline out there. Like someone has mentioned, you get turned down for a reason. Let's not act so desperate, it's just a job.

[mizzy]

SonicCat:

there are many ex-cedets got their offer in 2nd or even more attempts. the official answer for re-apply is 1 year.

there are also quite a lot of DESO received offer in 1+ attempts.

as what Flying Bagel stated : "please dont post any "inside source" when you're not really on the inside."

[SonicCat]

SonicCat:

there are many ex-cedets got their offer in 2nd or even more attempts. the official answer for re-apply is 1 year.

there are also quite a lot of DESO received offer in 1+ attempts.

as what Flying Bagel stated : "please dont post any "inside source" when you're not really on the inside."

Mizzy and Flying Bagel,
My source is straight from the recruiting department.
Please don't pretend you guys have the only "inside source" and tell me not to post any "inside source" when I have the inside source.
Believe it or not.

[gotak]

From what I have heard, also properly from inside, it's not a matter of if it's your 2nd try they just dump you application. What happens is that they rejected your first attempt for a reason. If you can convince them that things have changed they will take you for a 2nd try.

[Flying Bagel]

Mizzy and Flying Bagel,
My source is straight from the recruiting department.
Please don't pretend you guys have the only "inside source" and tell me not to post any "inside source" when I have the inside source.
Believe it or not.

The trouble is, SonicCat, is that statements like these discourage people from applying again, when they have every opportunity to have another go when the time comes. Do you have your facts absolutely straight?

As said before, many have made it on their second, or even third attempt, and have gone on to fleet flying. DE or cadet, there is no difference.

Straight from the recruiting department...believe it or not, you are not the only one that has spoken to them about this subject.

[ngkaka]

Hi all,

I'm one of those looking for the 2nd time for CPP. I applied it in June 2005, and finally failed. I have asked them about re-application (through email), and their official answer is 1 year.

I also heard of stories (from friend's friend) who had several attempt in applying CPP and who can finally make it. I don't know whether "1 year" is valid information, or they more consider what else you have achieved (got license, flying hours etc.), or as sonic cat said, no consideration for 2nd time for at least 3-4 hours

I'm not insider, nor I know any. I'm just a guy who really want to apply it. 1 more chance for me is enough. So what should I do? Wait till June 2006 (actually I sent an re-application but rejected recently), or going to get a PPL may help me? or really no 2nd chance?

Someone said, come on, it's just a job. Rite, but in HK, other than CX CPP, I find no way to become a commerical pilot (if I don't have too much $ to build up my flying hours to do a DE) I only got HKD$80K, which I think enough for me to get a PPL.

so no matter whether you are "insider" or not , any idea/ suggestion?

[mizzy]

Mizzy and Flying Bagel,
My source is straight from the recruiting department.
Please don't pretend you guys have the only "inside source" and tell me not to post any "inside source" when I have the inside source.
Believe it or not.
what I have stated above is what I have saw and experienced, in real person, real story. not any kind of "source" and i have no intention to challenge or to tell any inside source but telling the truth for ppl who are very interested in CX.

ngkaka,the 1 yr is valid.

[ngkaka]

Thx mizzy for your sharing, I do believe those are experiences from the real people you know (coz i get similar information from other fds)

btw, what I'm wondering is, could I be a little bit aggressive? As I have already been waiting for half a year (since last failure application), if I get the PPL knowledge test or even go along to US or Australia to get a PPL (I'm confident I can get it within the shortest possible time, just it is expensive for me to do so), would it make any differences? Would this show CX that i'm really interested in and suitable for the application, so that they can give me one more chance for the application in less than 1 year?

[mizzy]

For the cadet program, it doesn't make too much different for having a pilot's license or not. The main reason for why people keep assume having some level of aviation background (such as PPL) is an advantage because you will be able to tell more when comes to the technical part of the interview. As a matter of fact, having some aviation knowledge is a must because it will be totally senseless if you are interested in a job but have no or very little knowledge about it. Further, don’t forget the meaning of the 60 weeks all-paid training.

[ngkaka]

mizzy

completely agree with you. Getting a PPL does not mean to impress the interviewers about the technical knowledge (60-week training, and I'm sure the interviewer is much more technical then a PPL), but it is to demonstrate I really have the passion to fly (as u said, if you are interested in something, you must be trying to achieve it by some ways), really took action to achieve the goal, and have some of the capabilities and potential as being a pilot. (getting a PPL is not difficult, but at least you are suitable for aviation)