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neverinbalance
7th Feb 1999, 00:37
PAS have just introduced the above. Has any other heli pilot out there come across this before? Does it work.

pitchlink
8th Feb 1999, 01:55
Neverinbalance, in reply to your question, I believe that KLM (ERA) had such an arrangement when they were still in business. It was run as more of a tax reducer than anything else as I believe you paid less tax on the amount paid within the scheme???!!! It ran something like this:
A sister company was set up which dealt with employees salaries and it was this company, not the main company, to which the profit related pay was attributed. Therefore, as the company was more or less guaranteed to hit its targets of pay, the employees were assured of getting the maximum profit related pay with the minimum tax burden.

inflow roll
9th Mar 1999, 14:12
Well here's a reply to this fine man management issue;
Sadly Pitch Link was a bit confused, the original question was about PERFORMANCE related pay however the point you raise about PROFIT related pay is a good one. IN FACT the company in question did have a profit related pay scheme but it was cancelled by the company chairman!
Not very fair and I think you will find that was against the 1996 Employment Rights Act to do so without consent from the workforce, oops!!

OK now lets start on Performance Related Pay. BOMBARDIER has taken over PAS and what good industrial relations they have at the other industries they have taken over (give SHORTS a quick ring). They have introduced PRP with the proviso that it is TOP SECRET, talk and face the sack! Yet they have absolutely no system of grading or a hope of rating pilots perf, how??? No appeal system either. It has been done simply to limit the amount of pay rises to its staff in the future, if you don't know what other people are getting paid either actual or percentage then it becomes difficult to raise a case. They are also using this as a means of pissing people off, they do not want pilots on the payroll as they are expensive so those jobs are given a miserable pay rise! Good ey. Of course its a poor system and people talk so everyone knows what each other got. It would be naive to suggest otherwise. Nasty management tool. But when Uncle Tony brings in the new employment laws you just watch the unions make a meal of this lot!

But the Canadians are not one to follow fair and lawful means? It is also against the law to work with another company to push prices up in this country, BOMBARDIER are actively talking to MAC to do just that and its the Police that will pay the price. Not much competion there....DTI please take note.

Rules, well they are not very good with those either, CAA please take note. Pilots are being pushed to carry out more hours than ever and for a long time a system of calling standby duties as 'AVAILABLE' has been in force. The company has instructed its pilots to be AV for duties at any time but if you do no get called to duty then that day is logged as OFF on the FTL Scheme Sheet! This means they are reducing the number of OFF days well below the CAA minimum but you are on stanby for most of the month, try organising a family life around that. They still achieve the CAA minimum a month because the pilots have logged the AV periods as OFF. And forget about 14 days notice to cancel a OFF day.....thats done on a regular basis and without concent.

As you have guessed things are not rosy with the new company.

neverinbalance
10th Mar 1999, 03:42
Thank you for the reply Pitchlink, but I'm afraid that Inflow Roll is correct. His comments on PAS are sadly true. It would appear that PAS does want rid of some Pilots but is hoping that they will quit.

On the subject of "avaiable" on duty rosters it would appear that the CAA is now aware of the blatant disregard of rules and changes will take place shortly.

What is now starting to happen is that previously loyal pilots are starting to tell their police units that direct employment is the way ahead!!!

It would appear that our Canadian cousins think that helicopter pilots are a bit dim. Now hasn't that happened somewhere else before?