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GalleyHag

28th Nov 2005, 02:17

You will find the destinations, trips lengths etc are all available from the Perth Bid book on the cabin crew website which can be accessed through the Qantas intranet.

I know a handful of people (there are quite a few more) that commute. Depending on your senority level you shouldnt have to many problems.

Cant help with salary sorry.

funkytownflighty

28th Nov 2005, 02:39

Just wondering if anyone that's on the QF "Reserve Bench" (from the may/june interviews and subject to medical/reference checks) have heard anything in regards to PER Base?
A number of Jetstar and Eastern crew will be starting ground school in march as they have scored a gig via "career progression".
A good chance that we won't hear anything by Feb 06' and will be lost in the QF recruiting Fantasyland?

ditzyboy

28th Nov 2005, 04:50

Private message me your email address. I will send the December Bid Book to you.

Incidently it isn't all that exciting compared to other bases but the flying seems fairly consistant. Will beat the hell out of doing double AVV everyday for sure ;)

sinala1

28th Nov 2005, 17:45

Ditz you havent left the star have you? :eek:

ditzyboy

28th Nov 2005, 22:04

Maybe... ;)

Career Progression was activated. I start with 15 other Jetstar people on 13 Feb.

Been with the Company for over five years now... Have to say I will be sad to leave. But I am starting to get excited about the move over to Perth and the start of another of life's chapters.

I will NOT be sad to rid myself of the hideous rags we call a uniform - however comfortable it is to work in. :yuk:

SkySista

29th Nov 2005, 01:39

omg!! Ditzy in WA!!! I dunno if Perth can handle this!!! :p ;) :E :D

Congrats to you guys who got some progression, and I hope ther est of you guys on the waitlist get a shot too!

OZcabincrew

29th Nov 2005, 18:19

PER can handle anything.

Ditz, it depends what you find exciting? Infact a lot of PER crew would rather do the flying that they currently do in PER than any of the flying out of the other bases. In PER we do continuous Hong Kong and Singapore trips with NRT bound to return (in MEL you need 20+ years to get a HKG). You won't get a day trip unless you have the seniority, but with even more long haulers coming over, all of which will generally slot if above you guys, that will begin to get hard. There are a lot more people in PER than what there was originally and the PER base is expanding rapidly.

All i can say is, everyone coming over to PER on career progression, make an effort to enjoy it and don't come to work whinging about not getting your transfer back home or how much you hate PER etc, as that's what a lot of the last career progression guys did and to be honest PER crew are over it and won't take it, because most PER crew are there because they want to be, family are in PER etc etc and wouldn't want to fly out of anywhere else. We understand you guys are leaving family and friends etc and it's hard leaving home, but at the end of the day, you all accepted a position based in PER, simple.

Get excited. PER is a great base to fly out of with great crew, can be very different flying to what you're used to, relaxed. You'll find compared to the other bases, PER can be very procedural and some of the CSM's can be very anal something of which other people who have transferred have found it hard to adjust to.

It always good to see new people and i can assure you, you'll be welcomed with open arms.

See you soon!
Oz

rubarb

29th Nov 2005, 18:55

Yes. Perth really is a great place to be based and also to live. For those coming over with career progression - we look forward to meeting you ! Yes, you have made the career choice to come to Perth - there is nothing wrong with putting your name on the transfer list to head back home ( if you want to) though don't push it, it will happen when it happens- though while you are here - enjoy working with some of THE nicest people you will ever meet - and the flying is great too. When your transfers do come up ( if that's what you want) - I bet many of you will think twice and will want to stay ! Yes, very procedural here - but that is just standard and should be followed anyway. Really, we are a great bunch of guys and very genuine and will welcome you with open arms. We look forward to seeing you all soon ! And don't forget , a stranger is a friend you have never met - and that's us!

QFRegional

29th Nov 2005, 22:48

Yes Sir Ozcabincrew anything you say sir, can I carry your bag while im at it sir. Are we done with the lecture YET? Lets hope the base continues to expland I would hate to see you pushed onto reserve.

ditzyboy

30th Nov 2005, 00:26

Ozcc and Rubarb -
Thanks for the welcome... I can assure you that I am not one of those people. I am all for dealing with the consequences of CHOICES I make. I am looking forward to the positive challenge of moving over and getting settled in. I am sure it won't be easy but positive all the same.

I can almost guarantee there will be people coming over who will have a whinge at some point (we are flight attendants, after all!). Just don't paint us all with the same brush.

I think you will find any Jetstar flight attendant with 5 years seniority is quite used to dealing with change (5 uniforms, 3 airlines, 2 start ups etc etc...) and making do in less than desirable situations (Unit Trust arrangement or JQ start up)- all with a smile.

Now about PER being able to handle me... Just tell me where the day club is and all will be fine :E

GalleyHag

30th Nov 2005, 00:36

What is the actual senority within the Qantas group of most of the Jetstar flight attendants going over?

ditzyboy

30th Nov 2005, 02:11

Within Jetstar (and on our ASIC) it is our actual Impulse start date. For the Global senority list it is the day that QF bought Impulse - 21 November 2001.

OZcabincrew

30th Nov 2005, 03:25

rubarb, exactly. Atleast following procedure, you're covering your a**e, consistent aswell. Perth is a great base with great people. Like you said, transfers will happen eventually, it's just a matter of time, making an effort to enjoy it all will just make things easier.

QFRegional, you can carry my bags if you want, haha

:p

I don't want to seem as if i'm lecturing, just want to let the guys coming across know what the situation is like (even if i am repeating myself). As i said, PER is a fantastic base and they won't have any problems with anyone, it's great to see new people coming into the base and career progression finally happening for you guys who have waited so long. Those who want to transfer back to MEL or SYD, i hope you get it asap, i would be hanging out for the same thing if i had to move away from home, family etc etc.

In reference to one of your comments, I hope 200% that the base keeps on expanding and if that means i get pushed onto reserve, then so be it, i still have a job and that's all that counts to me.

At the end of the day, i'm sure they will enjoy PER, it is what you make it.

ps- will we have the pleasure of your company in PER in 06?

Flying_Sarah747

5th Dec 2005, 01:46

Hey all you PER people!

Just wondering what's going on with the external recuritment for the PER base? Is it still done on a casual basis, or are they employing people on permenent contracts??

Also, what is reserve? Is it like our 24 hour availability over here at BA???

Wish they'd transfer BA crew to QF. Missing home soooo much, but still can't bring myself to leave BA yet cause I've just moved over to long haul and it's too much fun. Bring on January, when I'll be coming back for the month!!! YAY!!!!! :) :) :)

easternboy

8th Dec 2005, 08:52

Flying_Sarah747

A recruitment drive was held some time ago and people were told it was for fixed term Perth base starting in Feb. I have a few friends on the famous short list that went through that recruitment drive and they have now been advised they will be contacted by Qantas in February and advised of what they now intend to do with them.

As you know Qantas never mention the scary word permanent. It is either Casual through MAM or fixed term contract (if they decide to go down that road). However, with the introduction of the IR laws in Australia workplace agreements maybe offered in the new year.

ditzyboy

Are you guys still starting on 13 February and have you been advised of where your training is happening Perth or Melbourne?

OZcabincrew

Now that the initial shock has worn off everyone what is the general feeling amoung Perth based crew on the influx of 32 Regionals?

The group going over from Eastern are a great bunch of people.

OZcabincrew

8th Dec 2005, 14:43

easternboy,

The feeling is good. In fact a lot of people in PER probably haven't even heard that 32 people from regionals are coming over, it's not something that has ever come up in conversation and a lot of people probably aren't bothered with it. What is the opinion and feeling amongst the 32 people coming over?

The Perth base is a lot bigger base since it first opened, there are A LOT more people, including a lot of PER long haulers that have transferred over and more to come in Feb/March, 32 casuals were made full time in July, so 27 people moved from over east to take the positions in PER, more casuals and more on their way. The flying is also very different compared to the other bases. The PER base is a great base to work out of, personally i like the flying i do and the people are great aswell. Everyone will be welcomed with open arms. I don't think there is a huge issue with the seniority thing as there was when career progression guys first came to the PER base. At that time the PER base was a lot smaller and the flying was different, so the impact of the career progression guys slotting in was quite obvious, now in PER S/H there are people that have been flying for various amounts of time, some that have been flying less than the regional guys coming over, some the same and some that have been flying a lot longer, so i think it will all be fairly scattered.

Either way, the people coming over will like flying out of PER (even though it's not home) and will make some good friends. As long as they keep an open mind and make an effort to enjoy it.

Oz

Flying_Sarah747

9th Dec 2005, 23:19

Sorry, not quite up to speed on some of the new Aussie laws...

What's this new workplace agreement thing? Does that mean that they will have to offer permenent contracts???

I'd do the interview and all that again if that was the case, it's just that I don't want to pay out all the money again to renew my first aid certificate and do my medical, to be put on the shortlist again for months on end and then offered another casual position when I'm already working permenently for BA.

Any info appreciated! :)

wa.man

10th Dec 2005, 07:55

Stay with B.A... I know of so many people who have spent money on medicals, first aid courses etc to be put on the waitlist for 6mths, some extended to 12mths, some offered fixed term contracts, some casual positions,some offered nothing but a thankyou but your time is up, nobody offered permanent positions. Sadly the days of getting a full time permanent position with our National carrier in this country have gone.
Qantas the spirit of Australia....Sadly I think not.

OZcabincrew

10th Dec 2005, 18:50

wa.man

That's the attitude. We DON'T need more people like you.

Sarah, yes it's true, unfortunately the days of permanent positions being offered with QF are rare and any positions these days seem to be casual through MAM. However there are people who have already been on the shortlist for 12+ months who apparently have been told that they will hear in February what's going to happen to them, the mention of fixed term contracts has come up. As to what this means for the future i have no idea.

In regards to permanent positions, it does happen. They have to offer permanent positions somewhere along the line and i think these positions will always be offered to current MAM casuals as per the current agreement of casuals lodging their expressions of interest for full time which covers a 12 month period. They have to fill out an expression of interest form for full time which covers a 12 month period and if nothing comes up in that time, then they fill out another one for the next 12 months. If permanents are required and they decide to use career progression people, career progression isn't triggered until 32 external applicants (ie casuals or people "off the street") are made permanent like what's recently happened.

I think permanent positions do get offered, but they are minimal and there is a lot of waiting. As for having to fork out money for medicals and first aid certificates etc, that is a basic requirement for the job, if you're not willing to do this, then don't apply, there's plenty of people that will.

Oz

GalleyHag

10th Dec 2005, 23:15

Over the past 3-4 years the only options with QF have been fixed term or casual for people off the street, this was because QF wanted to reduce the number of permanent employees etc etc.

However, now with the new Industrial Relations Laws QF can effectively recruit new crew and offer them a Workplace Agreement. This agreement will cover the basics such as salary, sick leave, holidays and it may also include a few things specific to the role of cabin crew such as duty hours etc.

In the past if QF were offering permanent it was under the short haul EBA this is no longer a requirement as it is now law that a workplace agreement can be offered instead. Therefore instead of working under an EBA (which is a small book) your working life will be governed by your AWA (Australian Workplace Agreement) which could be 3 pages tops. As an example your salary could be $30K per year including all allowances. Im not sure how much if any union involvement is allowed when you negotiate your AWA with your employer in this case Qantas. I think though their input would be NIL considering thats why the laws were introduced.

If Qantas go down this path they will have a standard AWA for all new short haul crew it will be exactly same just different expiry dates depending on when you join. As senority and bidding is part of the EBA I dont think anyone working under an AWA will be able to benefit from these but you never know.

So now these new options are available to Qantas it will be interesting to see if they intend to go in this direction. Considering Qantas was very vocal in pushing for these changes and even donated a substantial amount of $$ to the Australian Business Council to promote these changes I dare say there is a very good chance this will be the case.

wa.man

11th Dec 2005, 00:02

Oz,

Cant understand your statement to me!! ''DONT NEED PEOPLE LIKE ME''
In the first line of your post you agree with what I am saying!! Plus everthing I said was true.
Relax!!!

easternboy

11th Dec 2005, 01:06

ozcabincrew

The people heading to Perth from Eastern (10) are very happy. They were all aware when they nominated Perth as a base that getting back to the eastcoast was going to take time.

They are all a really good bunch of people who are looking forward to moving over to Short Haul and Perth.

OZcabincrew

11th Dec 2005, 07:47

easternboy,

that doesn't bother me, my comments to wa.man wasn't about regionals coming over, it was in regards to something else. I'm sure the people coming over are lovely, that's great to hear, looking forward to working with them. My comments to wa.man were in reference to his "The Spirit of Australia, i don't think so!" remark. Wa.man, Qantas and a lot of other big and small businesses are going casual etc because it's obviously cheaper, it is business, nothing to do with not having the Spirit of Australia. We don't need people like you inciting negativity towards/against Qantas because of whatever reason or opinion you have of them, because then your negativity spreads, something of which we don't need in general or online. I agree, QF do some stupid things sometimes and I would love it if QF and other companies employed people on a full time basis, that would be great, i'm all for it, but if it does happen it is only in minimal quantities. What GalleyHag said is interesting and the next 12+ months will be very interesting to see what happens.

Oz

Bidan

11th Dec 2005, 08:53

Oz,

''The Spirt of Australia''...The only chance of a fulltime cabin crew job with our national carrier is for English, Thai,s or Kiwis. How very Australian.
I have to agree with wa.man '' The Spirit of Australia'' I certainly dont think so either. Im sure most Aussies would think the same.

Flying_Sarah747

11th Dec 2005, 14:09

I can't work out what this new workplace agreement could mean. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Is it basically protecting the rights of workers, where as when you're casual they can basically do anything with you???

Another question...With the casual positions, how do the rosters work? Do you get a roster or is it that they just call you when they need you? Is there a basic salary or are you just paid for what flying you do??

And also, fixed term positions, what happens when the time is up? Are people usually offered permanent positions, or put onto another fixed term contract, or are they let go?