Virgin Atlantic A321 ?

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Hey,

Was just routin through the airbus website and came across a pic of an A321 in virgin atlantic colours in-flight. Anybody know what route this is flown on ? I thought virgin only flew A340 and B747.

[PAXboy]

IIRC, they used to go to Athens with it but that went post 9/11. Again, subject to memory.

[ETOPS]

Here she is at LHR..........

http://www.airliners.net/photos/middle/0/2/7/105720.jpg

[PAXboy]

Eerrrmmm, There she was at Heathrow ....???

[Fried_Chicken]

Yup, the Virgin Atlantic operated Heathrow -Athens

Didn't Virgin Sun also operate some A321s in the bright yellow scheme? What happened to Virgin Sun?

Fried Chicken

[ETOPS]

PAXboy

OK here's a substitute caption especially for you ;)

"Here she is photographed some time ago at LHR......

[GT3]

Had another 321 in virgin colours for the Athens route reg was G-OUZO which was quite cool.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

GT3
I think you will find that it was a A320.

[Max Revs]

Yes, G-OUZO was a A320. It operated Atlantic's only European schedule at the time. It served Athens from both Heathrow and Gatwick. It was later replaced by the A321 that started this particular thread. Virgin Sun also operated A320s and 321s, but they were painted in the (mainly) yellow colour scheme that had most people reaching for the indigestion tablets! Virgin Sun was wound up in October of 2001 because it wasn't making any money. The travelling public LOVED Virgin sun, but the profit margins on charter operations were deemed to be too slim for the accountants liking. Sadly, the Sun aircraft were all taken to Bristol Filton and parked until a buyer could be found (Virgin still had a long time to run on the leases, so they had to keep up the monthly payments.) As this was immediately post 9-11, nobody wanted to take on any extra aircraft, so they stayed at Bristol for AGES and it cost Virgin a fortune in parking / lease charges. It probably would have been cheaper to keep Virgin Sun operating and build up the business slowly but surely until the profits became healthy?:ugh:

[jmc757]

The Virgin Sun operation (tour operator and airline) were sold off to First Choice. The aircraft and their leases were not part of the deal.

[WHBM]

Virgin, in addition to being an airline, is a marketing brand. They sell their name to all sorts of businesses owned and managed by independent investors, Virgin Group/Richard Branson take a minority stake, and a significant fee for the use of the brand, and Branson makes himself available for occasional publicity etc, but they are effectively independent businesses.

They have various levels of success.

In aviation Virgin Blue in Australia, owned by Oz investors, is a spectacular success. Conversely CityJet in Dublin, when they first started out in the 1990s, also became a Virgin franchise but gave it up when they found it contributed little but cost them a lot. There was also, in the 1980s, a Viscount (yes !) operation from Gatwick to Maastricht, with aircraft supplied and crewed by BAF in Virgin livery. Virgin Nigeria and the forthcoming operation in the US are further examples.

Virgin Sun never made money and the owners got rid of it.

The Virgin Trains network in the UK, contrary to what you might think, is owned 50% by Stagecoach, who have some separate trains fully owned as well as their many bus operations. Stagecoach also have indirect ownership of Scot Airways, the LCY operator.

It's a complex world !

[rumair999]

Air2000 as it was known at the time , bought Virgin Sun for the LGW slots mainly

[Global Pilot]

WHBM, "There was also, in the 1980s, a Viscount (yes !) operation from Gatwick to Maastricht".

I recall this Viscount also operated the early Dublin-London service for Cityjet...sometimes the way I remember things and the ways things happen are not always the same thing!

rgds,

GP.

[spud's on the job]

The viscount operation was also from Luton for a while,


Don’t forget these things as well!


VS 727 (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/332926/M/)

[Dan Winterland]

Virgin Sun was a separate company to Virgin Atlantic, but he crews were all from Virgin Atlantic. They were all part of the same seniority list but the pilots were on a different pay scale. There were 5 A320/1s either in Sun or Atlantic colours. All five were grounded in the post 9/11 shakeup, the crews either being made redundant or re-trained on the B744 or A343. Some of the aircraft sat on the ground at Filton before evnetually being sold to a Turkish operator.

[RT_060590]

What routes did the 727 do?:confused:

[WHBM]

The 727 was operated by Club Air. Did charters from Dublin to the Med. Then they started a Dublin to London schedule, but almost immediately ceased trading.

They seemed to have some association with Dan-Air.

[agent x]

Dan the crews for Virgin Sun were not from Virgin Atlantic. They were completely separate airlines.

Agent x:ok:

[Xeque]

It probably would have been cheaper to keep Virgin Sun operating and build up the business slowly but surely until the profits became healthy

But thats not how your average beancounters brain works is it?

PS I love Virgins paint job. It really is one of the coolest around!

[AFA]

The tech crews were all Virgin Atlantic pilots on the main seniority list who, with a few notable exceptions returned to the B744/A340. The cabin crew were Virgin Sun, most of them seemed to go to Air 2000 after the operation closed down.

[SunDanced Kid]

Virgin Sun ceased trading post 9/11 but at the time the airline was making the money but the Holiday side was not profitable
First Choice / Air 2000 took the Virgin Sun part over but not allowed to use the name. First Choice took the Allocations in Resorts and Air 2000 took the RWY slots. 50% of cabin crew went to Air 2000 and remainder went to Mainline Virgin.
If RB had kept the Airline going as a charter airline that other Tour Operators use I believe it would still be flying. Most reports
from passenger flying on Virgin Sun were all positive.
There was no seperation from Virgin Atlantic / Virgin Sun. The ops / Crewing / Flt Planning / Engineering was all done by Virgin and kept under the one banner
LONG LIVE VIRGIN SUN

[WHBM]

SunDancedKid :

Do you recall what the actual ownership of Virgin Sun was ? Owned by independent investors with a small amount belonging to VA/V Group/ RB personally ? was the ops side done for them under some sort of management agreement ?

[King Pong]

What routes did the 727 do

Virgin flew the 727 on their Luton - Dublin route in competition with Ryanair and their 1-11’s. Virgin seemed to have very good loads before deciding their future was in long haul.

photo taken at LTN http://www.airliners.net/open.file/518136/M/

Seem to remember they had 2 727's EI-BVO and EI-BUP plus a Viscount at LTN doing Dublin and Maastricht in the 80's when they had a base at LTN. A Virgin 747 divert even came in once from New York.

[RT_060590]

Thanks for the info!