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8th Nov 2005, 05:51
I thought practices such as buying seats had died out. So much for the claims of democracy and working peers. And so much for Tony´s reforms of the House of Lords. And I see nepotism isn´t dead in Ulster. Welcome to the new democracy......

The Times: Sleaze row as election donors get peerages

THE millionaires who bankrolled the Labour and Tory election campaigns are to be elevated to the House of Lords, provoking a new favours-for-cash row, The Times has learnt. The forthcoming list of 28 working peers, which has been obtained by The Times, includes Sir David Garrard and Sir Gulam Noon, each of whom made donations of more than £200,000 to Labour....

The new Conservative peers, nominated by Mr Howard, include Robert Edmiston, who gave the party £250,000 last year, and the Tory treasurer Jona-than Marland, who gives £50,000 a year and leads its fundraising operation. The Labour nominations follow Mr Blair’s decision last year to give a peerage to Paul Drayson, a businessman who had already given £100,000 to Labour and who subsequently made a donation of £500,000. He has since been made a defence minister......

The list confirms the recent trend under which the financial supporters of major parties are being awarded seats in the Lords intended for working parliamentarians, with Labour implicated as much as the Conservatives. It will confirm a belief increasingly taking hold in the Lords that an unofficial threshold of donations of about £250,000 is operated by the major parties when considering nominations for peerages......

The list of new peers was attacked last night by Martin Bell, the former Independent MP for Tatton and anti-sleaze campaigner, who claimed that the system for appointing peers was more contaminated now than for 80 years. Mr Bell told The Times: “The sale and purchase of peerages has reached a level, I would say, not known since the time of Lloyd George. This brings politics into disrepute. We have a huge problem of public trust in public life, all the more after last week. How can people trust their politicians?”....

Sir David came to the attention of Labour through his support for the Business Academy in Bexley, which was opened by Tony Blair in 2002. The millionaire was knighted in 2003 for charitable services and donated £200,000 to the Party in the same year. The biggest donor in the Tory list is Robert Edmiston, who chairs the Midland Industrial Council, which gives the Tories a six-figure donation each year, rising closer to £500,000 in election year. Last year he gave £250,000 of his own money to the party.

Elsewhere in the list, Ian Paisley, the Democratic Unionist Party leader, has nominated his wife Eileen as one of his peers......

8th Nov 2005, 06:04
A very old practise!

Oppenheimer, Bernato etc. et al, fine gentlemen....friends of Cecil John Rhodes they were.

Bloomberg in NY proved again it takes money, to make money, even there too.

Mystic 1

8th Nov 2005, 06:41
Bloomberg, I believe, was elected, rather than appointed. Such largesse in American administrations mainly being limited to appointing ambassadors - and not for life.

8th Nov 2005, 07:31
Another good reason for a Republic. Away with the Queen and the Royal Hangers On, away with the 'honours' system and away with Parliament, the whole party political system and all its corruption. Doing away with political parties would also do away with the members of the largest party choosing "The President" as His Tonyness seems to think he has become. (I think its the right thing to do...)

Bring in an examination to qualify for the vote and then let the electorate decide - its about time we injected some proper democracy into the British political scene.

henry crun
8th Nov 2005, 07:56
The MP's run the parliament.
Parliament makes the laws.

How are you going to persuade the politicians to make themselves redundant ?

8th Nov 2005, 08:14
Why is Lord (Andrew) Lloyd-Webber a member of parliament?

Surely not because he popped a million quid to the Tory Party?

8th Nov 2005, 10:20
Another good reason for a Republic. ...oh ... so no monarchy = no corruption in politics,,,,,

....I don't think so ......

8th Nov 2005, 11:18
If only it was so easy to get government without corruption, but then we are all surely corrupted by the promise of something for us by those we elect? Something a hereditary ruler cannot do. What you see with them is what you get. True you don't always get a good one, but then that as they say is life.

8th Nov 2005, 11:54
The only seat I ever bought, was the fold up from the DIY store.

8th Nov 2005, 14:15
Don't tell us that it then pinched your wallet. Bloody cut price labour version obviously.

9th Nov 2005, 00:34
How are you going to persuade the politicians to make themselves redundant ?In the customary way... :E

...oh ... so no monarchy = no corruption in politics,,,,,Of course not. That's the idea of only having a qualified electorate. The best form of government is Aristocracy. True aristocracy that is, not the Lords and Ladies kind. I'm in league with the Greek Philosophers, you see. Especially Plato.

9th Nov 2005, 12:53
Is an Aristocracy when you're ruled by Aristotle?

9th Nov 2005, 13:04
The best government money can buy...

If governments were really that keen on globalisation, surely we'd all be governed by Singaporeans by now...?! ;)

(If only so that we could have less litter, and lots of charcoal-grilled saté in public squares... :ok:

10th Nov 2005, 00:09
Is an Aristocracy when you're ruled by Aristotle?A Platonic friendship is better.

Had some interesting theories in that regard, did Plato... :p

Bern Oulli
10th Nov 2005, 08:26
Has anyone read "Starship Troopers" by Robert A. Heinlein, as opposed to seeing that dire movie of the same name? The system of government described there is worthy of some consideration.

Tuned In
10th Nov 2005, 10:44

Should always try that one on the girls, suggesting a Platonic friendship - Plato shagged anything that moved! :p

Biggles Flies Undone
10th Nov 2005, 10:48
I'm in league with the Greek Philosophers, you see. Especially Plato.
Plato, they say, could stick it away - half a crate of whisky every day.

And as for Aristotle..... :E

10th Nov 2005, 13:25
The best government money can buy

Looking at it that way, I suppose the Nigerians must be right up there... :uhoh: But having said that, I don't suppose Boeing or even Airbus can really have cause to complain... :}