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Marko Ramius
29th Oct 2005, 11:04
Well Halloween is here and I am dreading it.

Am I the only one round here who thinks that Trick or Treating is abhorrent.

Surely this is teaching your children to beg, or worse to demand "money" with menaces, isn't that illeagal.

I feel very sad when I see the greed at my doorstep not a way to bring up our young.

I believe that it is a relatively new concept in the UK, imported from our cousins across the pond.

Ropey Pilot
29th Oct 2005, 11:38
Halloween was imported into the christian calender in 998 AD as All Souls eve.

On this night families would maintain an all-night vigil and eat cakes known as 'Soul cakes'. Children would venture out knocking on doore and 'souling' - singing songs for cakes or money. It is from this practice that Trick or Treat has developed.

I got that from a booklet accompanying some pumpkin carvers I bought for a previous Halloween. Don't know the voracity of the info - but it suggests we didn't import the practice from the USA as it wasn't even invented then!


And I quite like the little ones coming round - it is quite sweet listening to them outside the door trying to reach the bell and when questioned their idea of a trick is to blow the candle in our pumpkin out! It is the groups of 16 year old lads that gets me a bit more worried.

BlueDiamond
29th Oct 2005, 11:48
Doesn't matter a rats where the custom originated, you'd have to be a miserable git to begrudge the children a bit of fun.

Whirlygig
29th Oct 2005, 12:01
Oh dear. I'm a miserable git :p

Fun for whom. These days, if you don't give 'em money, you're likely to get your car keyed as happened to a neighbour who had the temerity to offer sweets to said "kiddies".

As far as I'm concerned their "treat" is to NOT get my boot up their @r$e when they come a-knockin'.

Cheers

Whirls

frostbite
29th Oct 2005, 12:06
And another miserable git here!

An absolute pain with no merit or justification.

Gouabafla
29th Oct 2005, 12:09
Doesn't matter a rats where the custom originated, you'd have to be a miserable git to begrudge the children a bit of fun.

There are a couple of reasons why I disagree with you here, Bluey and why I don't think I'm a miserable git.

I don't begrudge the children their bit of fun. That's what we have Guy Fawkes night for - Novermber 5th. It saddens me deeply that a British tradition is being swallowed up by a highly commercialised American one. Before anyone says that I'm being anti-American, I'm not. It is the British supermarkets who see a chance to make vast sums of money who are pushing this. They are now selling 'Halloween Fireworks' for goodness sake. One more small nail in the coffin of our national identity.

Kids round here have a fairly unsophisticated approach to the 'trick' part of trick and treating. We've had 'f***ing misers' written on our front door in very large letters with an indelible pen, eggs thrown at our house, our kids attacked on the way home from school and a ten year old calling my wife a whore all because we told kids to come back later and sing some carols for us at Christmas - which is a British tradition.

We always reward carol singers and people doing penny for the guy.

tilewood
29th Oct 2005, 12:24
My experience of Halloween in the US is one of magic, where
kids and adults make an effort and really enjoy the fun.

Here in England it's demanding money with menaces
by threatening louts.

If I was an elderly person living alone I would dread the
night.

BlueDiamond
29th Oct 2005, 12:26
Hmmm ... around here the "trick or treat" thing is confined to the littlies, it being considered somewhat uncool by anyone over the age of ten. Their activities are usually confined to their own street and there is always a watchful parent nearby. Some of their costumes are very creative and colourful and they always thank us nicely for the treats.

Things are obviously different elsewhere. :(

Standard Noise
29th Oct 2005, 12:27
Set the dogs on 'em, the little buggers!:E

Jerricho
29th Oct 2005, 13:02
Hi Marko,

You'll find some support in this thread (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150426)

(Barbed wire at the ready :E)

Onan the Clumsy
29th Oct 2005, 13:05
Why noy simply retaliate with the haloween fireworks ?

Dead_Heading
29th Oct 2005, 13:14
Nearest mkids are about a mile down the lane from us.


I'll lash me pitchfork to me shotgun just in case though :}

seacue
29th Oct 2005, 13:33
In my low-density USA neighborhood I no longer get trick or treaters. There seem to be two reasons:

Parents shepherd the little kids around and only take them to their friends' houses, There were enough press stories about bad things in "treats" that parents are cautious these days.

There are organized events for the older kids.

In any case, malicious tricks seem rare these days.

Not like my father's story of putting the neighbors buggy on his shed roof. But that would have been about 1908.

Capn Notarious
29th Oct 2005, 13:56
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Doesn't matter a rats where the custom originated, you'd have to be a miserable git to begrudge the children a bit of fun.
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As all the others have indicated, there are many varieties of behaviour.
Outwardly blame can be apportioned to those that imported a new genre and the enactors of the practice, the geni is out of the bottle.
Ways to curtail these little activities, are to set the home to appear that peeps is out.
A temporarily disabled door bell, or a remote operated pre recorded dog bark. Technology might be the answer.

419
29th Oct 2005, 14:07
A temporarily disabled door bell,

Would connecting 240V directly to the button qualify?

Sailor Vee
29th Oct 2005, 14:17
Tirck or Treat Wossa Tirck?:E

I say, bring the little [email protected] ON....http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/waffen/violent-smiley-017.gif

Wedge
29th Oct 2005, 14:41
If it's a group of nice little kids dressed up who are very happy to get some sweets or chocolate bars and the tricks are harmless fun there's nothing wrong with it.

Agreed if it was 16 year olds demanding money I'd tell them to fcuk off. But I have never seen that.

If my car got keyed I'd be administering summary justice.

Helli-Gurl
29th Oct 2005, 15:21
I wonder what my Ex will be wearing tonite??!

;)

Standard Noise
29th Oct 2005, 16:15
uhh, you perchance?;)

Helli-Gurl
29th Oct 2005, 17:00
more like something of mine!

;)

Grainger
29th Oct 2005, 17:06
:confused:

Am I missing something ?

Halloween is the 31st - that's Monday night. So why would kids be out tonight ?

Helli-Gurl
29th Oct 2005, 17:36
School night I guess so all those that don't have ASBOs will be tucked up in bed and those that do will be out setting fire to cars and looting!

x

Stockpicker
29th Oct 2005, 21:08
My mum used to take us out all dressed up to friends' houses, and when the door opened, we had to recite:

"Please to help the guisers
Please to ope your door
Please to give the children
An apple from your store"

.... and yes, if it was an apple, that was fine!

We're lucky round here, no kids come around, though with a few more kids living in the street I may organise something one year, with warning notes through folks' letterboxes a few days beforehand explaining what we plan to do, so that they can expect us or say "no thanks".

Jordan D
29th Oct 2005, 23:29
Grainger - because tonight (well Saturday night) is a non-school night, and the 31st is.

Jordan

Jerricho
29th Oct 2005, 23:37
Did you know that Google finds 904 other references for the word "tirck".

Not many people would know that.

ShyTorque
29th Oct 2005, 23:38
As last year, I answer the door wearing a glow in the dark demon mask with snarling, vampire teeth and large spikes sticking out all over the skull and face.

Year before last a little girl took one look, screamed, turned 180 degrees and ran face first into our brick built garage wall opposite the front door! :cool:

Whirlygig
29th Oct 2005, 23:40
wearing a glow in the dark demon mask with snarling, vampire teeth and large spikes sticking out all over the skull and face.

But Shy, I thought that's what you always looked like!!

Cheers

Whirls

UniFoxOs
30th Oct 2005, 10:02
I'm with Capn N here - keep all the curtains closed and when the doorbell rings - don't move for ten minutes until they have gone.

fmgc
30th Oct 2005, 12:57
keep all the curtains closed and when the doorbell rings - don't move for ten minutes until they have gone

I object to being made to do that in my own house which is why I am thoroughly opposed to this awful custom.

Team Player
30th Oct 2005, 13:18
We had a case of kids being given poisoned candies.
The trouble was they were put into their goodies bags and not traceable as the cunning :mad:s had wiped off all fingerprints, or worn gloves.

airship
30th Oct 2005, 13:19
In this day and age, I do believe that there is a requirement for events such as the more amiable antics which surround Halloween. That offer a chance to get to know the neighbours who might otherwise remain a mystery.

And what better way to do it. With kids to break the ice (and parents just behind)?! :) There are worse American customs I've heard of you know. Like the one where your new neighbours bring round an apple pie...

Carol-singing at Xmas is OK though, isn't it? :uhoh:

Northerner
30th Oct 2005, 14:05
What I don't understand is why I'm supposed to tell my child for 364 days of the year "Don't speak to strangers, don't take sweets from strangers" but then for one day a year I should tell him to do exactly the opposite.

:confused:

I hate this 'tradition' with a passion; thankfully I shall be working and leave my other half to deal with them all!

Cheers,
N

"Keep smiling, it makes people wonder what you're up too..."

Da Dog
30th Oct 2005, 18:13
Me I stand in my bedroom, when these so called "trick or treaters " come a knockin I soak them with a bucket full of water, the wife then opens the door and films their faces for the benefit of the local plod:ok:

Grumpy me?

tony draper
30th Oct 2005, 18:54
Wire yer front gate shut tiz difficult to climb over a wall fence or gate in witches/whizard costumes made from bin liners.
One never needs to go to the front door one just tells em to knock next door on the video door entry phone, she keep a bowl of sweeties forrem.
:E

candoo
30th Oct 2005, 18:58
Always a difficult topic.

At the end of the day you can't blame the kids.

tilewood
30th Oct 2005, 19:01
Oh yes you can!!

ShyTorque
30th Oct 2005, 19:27
"But Shy, I thought that's what you always looked like!!"

Someone had better watch their step this Hallowe'en :}

Whirlygig
30th Oct 2005, 19:30
Shy,

Shouldn't that be

Someone had better watch his or her step this Hallowe'en. ;) :p

Cheers

Whirls

ShyTorque
30th Oct 2005, 19:36
Oh gawd - it's the writing police again!

The obvious answer is that I didn't expect you to walk alone on Hallowe'en.

Ghosts, ghouls, bats........and SPIDERS ((:E)) about.

Whirlygig
30th Oct 2005, 19:44
I am so glad that you are concerned for my welfare in walking out alone on Hallowe'en and therefore I shall ensure that I am accompanied. Therefore, your sentence should have read

Some people had better watch their step this Hallowe'en :p

I'm not scared of ghosties or ghoulies and bats are my friends but spiders ..... ^ :ooh: ^

Cheers

Whirls

ShyTorque
30th Oct 2005, 19:52
WWW just took on another meaning...... actually it wuld be more accurate to say WWE. :rolleyes:

Stop pickin' on me. Especially as I never even mentioned the title of the thread has a spelling mistake....

P.S. That's not a proper spider, it's a crab doing press-ups!

Marko Ramius
30th Oct 2005, 20:29
Sorry about that I have typographical dyslexia!

:8

ShyTorque
30th Oct 2005, 20:37
No problem - it's your thread so spell it how you want.

Typographical Dyslexia? You don't drive an Alfa do you?

Whirlygig
30th Oct 2005, 20:43
actually it wuld be more accurate

Yes, it would!!

And just in case nobody else gets it - WWE is Wicked Witch of the East i.e. Alfa-driving l'il ol' Whirls :D

Cheers

Whirls

terryJones
30th Oct 2005, 20:59
I suppose it's the day that Mathematicians get their christmas presents... after all, OCT31=DEC25

There are 10 types of people that puzzle appeals to, those who understand it, and those who don't..

Whirlygig
30th Oct 2005, 21:07
It appeals to me! 3 x 8 = 24 +1 = 2 x 20 + 1.

Where's me Chrissie pressie then!

Cheers

Whirls

terryJones
30th Oct 2005, 21:10
Well done whirls, the cheque is in the post :O

(You did mean to say......=20+5 of course didn't you)

Whirlygig
30th Oct 2005, 21:12
'Salright - you can't be a million miles from me!

Anyway... isn't that one of the four eternal lies? :E

Cheers

Whirls

Helli-Gurl
2nd Nov 2005, 20:27
isn't that one of the four eternal lies?

Dunno Whirls ......care to ask my ex?

x