citation fuel cap

[qwerty666]

Can anyone shed light on a story of a citation departing jersey with a severely croaked engine

Apparantly it took off from gibralter and the fuel cap went through the right engine but went on to jersey where it took off again

didnt think any pilot was that stupid

[Bumz_Rush]

So how did the cap, which is usually wired to tank get to the engines which are normally mounted rather far away from the filler caps.

There is a regular Citation run to/from GIB, it often wakes me on Monday mornings.

If the crew read this post, perhaps a PM, to discuss how they spend the weekend in GIB. Not shop talk... Bumz

[LHmain]

Heard this a good while back. Story was, off the end at Florence.

[lancaster52]

I heard a story of a US registered Citation 6 having some FOD last year at Paris.

[qwerty666]

apparantly it was an xl. the fuel cap wasn't on the wing where you think. It's the pressure fuel cap just in front of the right hand wing..... the only place it could go if left dangling is yep you guessed it ..... through the donk!

thought you were supposed to check all doors and hatches closed?

[Bumz_Rush]

twice now in 20 years, I must be getting old....


Is there a warning light...service panel or something similar.....

Bumz

[lancaster52]

Surely not possible. All the doors have microswitches and annunciators in the cockpit in my experience. Could not have passed type certification otherwise.

[High Viz Vest]

There is no switch on the Xcell I dont think, was it a Net Jets aircraft by any chance?

What was the crew thinking about if they took off with an engine that had injested a lump of metal?

[scambuster]

NO, it wasn't a Netjets aircraft. It was a private operator. Beyond that I will not venture, so don't ask.

[Flintstone]

Sorry, not heard about the fuel cap thing.

As for the other incident:-

1. It's old news, positively ancient (unless there's been another very recently).

2. If we are talking about the runway at Florence it was not NJE.

[Blissedup]

understand it's now available for charter?

[slowtion]

On the 560 Encore, the only door that doesn't have a microswitch annuciator on it is the fuel door. It is probably the same on the Excel.

[Bumz_Rush]

The early, (up to 700) had no such switch, I can not remember ever trying to take off with a dangly door panelm but I do know an attempt to taxi with the APC still connected...does this count...

bumz

[High Viz Vest]

I heard the captain of this aircraft was a CAA TRE!!

Good to see they are not all perfict :}

[Mr Wonka]

I hope you joke High Viz Vest,

Hope all this is gossip and not true, Caa tre? would be very bad news indeed.

:(

Mr W

[Arkwright]

I understand that High Viz Vest is correct....Captain is a TRE on the Excel!

What happened with the F/O......why didn't he/she step off the aircraft at JSY with their bags? OK, the Captain has overall responsibility for the incident, but this is a two crew aircraft. IMHO I would have thought that the CAA will also take a very critical view of the F/O's actions, (or lack of).

[checklist69]

I hear the CAA are taking quite an interest in this one.
Could ANO Articles 73 & 74 apply?

'69

[Daysleeper]

Having seen the damage a small piece of metal fod the size of a key can do to a citation engine ok it was a key (dont ask) I'm amazed you can fly on after a fuel cap strike.

[Itswindyout]

Its often the way......did a CAA FOI manage to write off a Lysander, because he knew best.....windy...

[lancaster52]

Wasn't there a CAA Head of Training who ran out of fuel and crashed a bi-plane or something a few years ago. The story goes he had only shortly before decreed that any pilot who ran out of fuel should be shot or worse.

[TiroP]

Yes he did investigate the "unusable fuel" margin.

I think he just got shot, though.

;)

TP

[High Viz Vest]

I think the gent who ran out of fuel 'retired' after the incident, if it the same one I'm thinking of. Was the chap not an airshow 'fun detective'?

No one is perfect, accidents do happen. But to take off with an engine that has visible damage is surely reckless?