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TheFlyingSquirrel
29th Sep 2005, 10:07
I was talking to a German couple last night, and she was adamant that ze English hated the Germans and everything they stood for - he was adamant that deep down we respected their products, values and culture. I happen to think that putting war and football jokes aside, he's absolutely right - what do you think ? I'm just interested to see the wider view on this. ( I'll delete if you all desire ! )

Bre901
29th Sep 2005, 10:10
I guess I'll have to stay clear from this one as I'm quite sure Froggy Bashing will start way before page 2 :} :}

Yorks.ppl
29th Sep 2005, 10:17
I don't know any germans so I can't judge them, I certainly dont hate them.
I do, however, love their cars, they are of a quality that no one else can match at the price.

Curious Pax
29th Sep 2005, 10:27
Where I work, the Brits and the Germans unite against the common enemy - the Dutch. The Germans aren't too keen on Dutch arrogance (probably reflects company ownership and internal politics more than any overwhelming national traits).

Grainger
29th Sep 2005, 10:33
Absolutely not. I travel a lot in Europe and compared to people in some other countries, my German colleagues are consistently the most friendly, hospitable and nicest people to work with.

They're always up for a beer after work, and some of them have become close friends. I'm learning the language and have been invited for holidays there next year.

I love travelling and working in Germany. The beer is excellent, and the food is great - mostly grilled meat and potatoes. They cook the meat properly too - none of this half-raw stuff you get in France :yuk:

hanx
29th Sep 2005, 10:36
Do the English really hate ze Germans?

I don't think so. During my visits to England i always felt welcome, the people i talked to were very friendly, even in a pub watching England vs Turkey (the match when Beckham shot the penalty to the skies) we made friends who asked a lot about our local football club (you support eintrackt?)...

:ok:

My girlfriend had to work near Birmingham for 10 months, she never experienced resentments, too.

Some of my friends and colleagues are now working in London and really enjoy life in England.

Send Clowns
29th Sep 2005, 10:37
Out of date, Yorks, well out of date. The best quality cars in Europe are now made largely by Japanese companies and by American-owned companies (Jaguars are now more reliable than Mercs or BMWs, aparently, and Mazdas have been for a long time). Even VW group build their most reliable cars in the Czech republic, with Spain I think now beating Germany itself. Audi were always my choice of German manufacturer, but I have a friend very disappointed with the expensive faults on his A4 that was only a couple of years old when he bought it.

We don't hate the Germans, TFS, but neither do we have the automatic respect for their products and certainly for their values. I think both are wrong, and that most British people are basically like Germans as a whole, get on fine when they meet in general, quite well with Bavarians. If you want a nation we despise (and it is only the running of the country, not the individuals or the physical place) that is the French. Fairly natural considering what a nuissance they are in any international negociations. If you want a nation that hates the Germans, ask the Dutch. Long memories. Even they like most actual Germans - teh girl that told me that went out with a German for a long while.

What are German values? They seem at least to distant observers to have lost many of the respectable ones like hard work, attention to detail and fiscal stability. They have not restored their economy or leadership. Apart from the old literature and music, and my favourite music is German, what is their culture? University and partying until 28 then having to find work even if they can't be bothered? Not much other impression really reaches these shores of modern Germany. Products - over priced and no longer the quality they were. I've driven a Merc, I preferred my then old-model diesel Rover.

P.S. If you think I am down on the Germans, note that I teach JAA groundschool. The two nations that caused most problems were France and Germany. The difficulties they caused are ongoing, and make the course much tougher than it need be for our students. That is my only recent impression of Germany apart from news of political weakness. However I still love Beethoven.

Curious Pax
29th Sep 2005, 10:49
You're certainly spot on with the Dutch views of the Germans. Even 60 years on the most common chant at Netherlands v Germany football matches is 'we want our grandmothers bicycle back'! Mind you the way the Dutch ride bikes you would have to say the Germans had a point - perhaps road safety rather than reducing the population's mobility was behind the confiscations! I once witnessed a German car getting clamped - the guy doing it was being cheered by a crowd of delighted locals!

Biggles Flies Undone
29th Sep 2005, 10:58
I do, however, love their cars, they are of a quality that no one else can match at the price.
Have they stopped making Mercedes in Germany then? :p

I think, when you strip away the nationalistic peculiarities, the English have more in common with the Germans than any other nation. My Father's gun crew took a bunch of German prisoners just as the formal surrender was announced and their officer turned to him and said "Thank God we can be friends again and go and fight those bloody Russians together!".

airship
29th Sep 2005, 12:22
Since when did Brits ever need a valid reason to hate anyone?! ;)

A few hundred years ago, it was the Spanish. And the Dutch. In the 1970s it was East-African Asians. Followed shortly thereafter by anyone from the Indian sub-continent. Today it's Polish plumbers... :rolleyes:

Ohhhh, that war! "Please don't mention it!", Fawlty might have said with an unnatural gleam in his eyes.

There's an undeniable pleasure in peeling off scabs before they fall off naturally. To see the old wound bleed once again. Almost compareable to the taste of a dried-up piece of snot when picking one's nose...

Of course, it goes without saying, even though I'm repeating it, that without France, there would never have been a Great Bretagne... :O

But if Britons were a smart people, instead of adding to the house-price bubbles in southern Europe and the Home counties most recently, they'd have been buying holiday homes in Bavaria. Where prices have been stagnant for donkey's years... :confused:

Und if the worse comes to the wurst, we can always fall back on the old favourites: There will always be an England... :uhoh:

G-CPTN
29th Sep 2005, 12:29
>the English have more in common with the Germans than any other nation

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I'd rate the Danes for this, but as we're talking about the Germans, I suspect it depends on your age. Immediately post War they were 'the Hun' and wartime prejudices remained (until overtaken by Ivan). I visited Germany on school-trips in the 50s and was amazed by the modernity (!) of the cities. I only met ONE would-be Nazi.
I've worked for a German Engineering Company, and got under the myth that German Engineering was 'supreme' - they were subject to the same pressures for economy that any engineering company experiences. MOST of the Germans were pleasant individuals, but they COULD be stubborn if you (as an Englishman) challenged their logic. I suppose the arrogant 'might is right' theme came through (like the towels on the deckchairs) as they believe they are the supreme (race) at everything (not a bad maxim BTW).
I adore Germany (as it was up until reunification) . Travelling in 'East' Germany (the year the Wall came down) was a cultural shock and instilled sympathy for a nation neglected throughout 40 years, and the journey back into the West over Hartz (where one arrives in a tourist area) merely highlighted the difference between the standards of living. I've not been back recently, but the task of equalization must, inevitably, have taken its toll on the people (of both sides of the erstwhile Wall).

Now with respect to the French, my son has married a French girl, and much to our surprise her family are delightful . . .

Onan the Clumsy
29th Sep 2005, 12:30
Q) Why do Germans exist?




A) To unite the English and the French.

Yorks.ppl
29th Sep 2005, 12:32
Out of date, Yorks, well out of date. The best quality cars in Europe are now made largely by Japanese companies and by American-owned companies

Sorry to disagree but not out of date at all.
I have just spent the last week driving my wifes top of the range shogun. A superb car by any standard and a very adept off roader as I proved to myself yesterday whilst collecting a plough from a particularly dodgy hillside location (with a trailer on the back)

However as good as this car is, and I test drove all the 4x4s in this catagory before buying, it is not a patch on my Audi in terms of how well made it feels. It also suffers from more rattles and squeaks than any of the german cars I have ever had.

Our japanese friends build very reliable cars but they just dont feel solid like a german car.

G-CPTN
29th Sep 2005, 12:36
>Our japanese friends build very reliable cars but they just dont feel solid like a german car.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/prog28/toyota.shtml

Yorks.ppl
29th Sep 2005, 12:52
Please take note, I saidOur japanese friends build very reliable cars but they just dont feel solid like a german car.

I did not say that they were not solidly built, only that they dont FEEL as solidly built as a german car. And they don't.

Robert Langdon
29th Sep 2005, 12:55
Just don't mention the war!!

Flypuppy
29th Sep 2005, 13:03
The British Royal Family is German, why would the English hate them?

As for hating the French, well maybe the English do, but the Scots have always had traditional links through the Auld Alliance.

flyblue
29th Sep 2005, 13:07
Well I'm not English, but sense of fashion apart, there is nothing wrong about ze Germans :E

Send Clowns
29th Sep 2005, 13:10
Who cares how solid it feels if you can't drive it for 4 weeks and have to pay £1300 for the repair because the turbo waste gate isn't working? As I said Audi would be my only choice of German car, as they are the only ones that don't look ugly and if I spend that much I don't want chavish in-your-face Mercs and BMWs (exepting some of the latters' sports cars, although if I want to pay a lot for asports car I will go to a sports-car specialist). However a Skoda is more reliable and considerably cheaper. Feel very solid to me when I have ridden in them. German cars used to be reliable. Now a Jaguar is more reliable than a Merc or BMW, a Ford better than a VW. Skoda beats VW and Audi making the same cars.

lasernigel
29th Sep 2005, 13:16
Staioned there for 2 years '75 - '77.Last Company had an office south of Frankfurt.I used to go across and instruct and sometimes worked there as stand in engineer for 3 week stints.Love the people food and culture.Family values are still held dear in a lot of places.
The local schutzenfests are always fun.German girls are nice as well tho not too keen on the ones that seem to think hairy pits are OK.

Q) Why do Germans exist?

A. To unite the English and French.


Onan You always go OTT mate!:ok:

XXTSGR
29th Sep 2005, 13:22
I admire very much what Germany has achieved since the war. The rebuilding and going from one extreme to being one of the most powerful economies in the Western world is amazing. Their cars are excellent, their engineers extraordinary. Yet I have thoroughly disliked almost every German I have ever met. I find them arrogant, overbearing and rude.

I despise a great deal that the USA stands for, particularly this Administration. The USA as a whole has only its own interests at heart, and damn the rest. And yet I have found Americans personally to be almost universally friendly, welcoming, generous and thoroughly likeable.

G-CPTN
29th Sep 2005, 13:22
>Love the people food and culture

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Whilst working in Southern Germany (Lake Constance) we ate out most evenings in 'village inns'. At first we'd return to a particular 'find' (rather than risk disappointment elsewhere) but then it grew into a game to find an Inn that served poor food. We never did find an unsatisfactory meal (my mouth is watering at the memories . . . )

airship
29th Sep 2005, 13:40
And yet I have found Americans personally to be almost universally friendly, welcoming, generous and thoroughly likeable. That remark's a bit shallow isn't it?

PS. Have you tried that dressed in a flowing robe with a chequered scarf over your head, especially after having forgotten to shave for a few weeks and uttering "God is Great" in a foreign tongue after the usual "Hi there, how ya doin' yerself?"...?! ;) :uhoh:

Paris Dakar
29th Sep 2005, 14:19
TheFlyingSquirrel,

Did this couple think that only the English hated them or was there a feeling that other countries disliked them too??

The reason I ask is that I was on Holiday in Corfu some time back and we got talking to a German couple in a bar. What I noticed was that the bar staff and waiters seemed much less friendly to this couple than the rest of the bar which were in the large, Brits. Now it might be that this couple could have caused some trouble on a previous night but this seemed unlikely. My uncle (who is Swiss) seems to have an over-inflated anti-German streak running through him too, as would appear a lot of his chums in the village?

Having owned BMWs for nearly 12 years continously, I have no reason to doubt the quality of what they can build. I know there are some excellent quality cars produced throughout the world but I bet if you asked the average man in the street, which car he'd prefer - a Lexus (sorry Lexus owners) or a BMW, I bet Bavaria's offering wins 9 times out of 10?

PD

chuks
29th Sep 2005, 15:37
Speaking here as a Yank working for a British company based in West Africa I would say that your question is useful in provoking the usual sound and fury ... and a bit of random Yank-bashing from someone who probably found the wrong thread there, but isn't it so general as to be useless?

Some English probably hate some Germans, sure. But most of my Brit colleagues don't hate anyone. The haters burn out and head back home, probably to go into therapy. You can only hate in the abstract; once you get to know 'the other' you can usually, if you don't have your head lodged up your fundament, find something to remind you of your shared humanity.

I can say that the English do love to wind up the Germans. And some Germans can take that and some can't. But then the English love to wind up everyone, especially other Brits! That is a completely different thing, of course.

As to cars, who is now building that most English of marques, the Rolls-Royce? Okay, stupid question; everyone knows it's the Germans from BMW.

Well, what about the Bentley? Also the Germans? Bitte?

Well, the Mini, then! Huh?

Come to that, a lot of your 'Jap' cars are built in the UK, using Japanese methods to reach good levels of quality, just as the Germans have revived Bentley using their own QC standards.

Come on over for a visit to Germany. The food is good, the weather is no worse than on those islands of yours and you can finally go like the clappers with no fear of points if your Austin Allegro can take the strain.

If you still need a German to hate then get in touch via PM and I might be able to introduce you to my mother-in-law. She was a test pilot once, for a broom factory.

arthur harbrow
29th Sep 2005, 15:38
I have always found the Germans to be a most helpful and pleasant people.Was recently lost in Stuttgart on the underground late in the evening.I was soon helped on my way by three different Germans, imagine that happening in England.

MissDaisyDuke
29th Sep 2005, 15:41
I don't hate them, I have loads of German friends who even though they are quite forward in the way they speak and insist on things are all lovely with it.

Love the German way they celebrate things like Christmas:ok:

airship
29th Sep 2005, 15:46
...I was soon helped on my way by three different Germans, imagine that happening in England. Well, maybe by 3 Polish plumbers... ;)

Unwell_Raptor
29th Sep 2005, 16:35
I have an Irish friend who always claims that WW1 and WW2 were both German civil wars and that's why the Irish wanted nowt to do with it.

Your German Royalty versus theirs, he would say.

hemac
29th Sep 2005, 16:44
The first time my stepfathers mother met my Italian wife, she looked her up and down, sniffed and said 'you were on the Germans side, weren't you?'
Stupid old biddy.
So far every German I have ever met, both here and in Germany, have been friendly, helpful people. It's not their fault they don't understand humour.

H.:O

Onan the Clumsy
29th Sep 2005, 17:11
The first time my stepfathers mother met my Italian wife, she looked her up and down, sniffed and said 'you were on the Germans side, weren't you?' She should have answered: "Which time?".

lexxity
29th Sep 2005, 17:39
I have never had any problems with the Germans, used to have a friends who lived in Bavaria, the only odd encounter I ever had was with my friend's grandfather, ex SS you see. Very strange for him to have his granddaughter bring an english friend home to stay, he was very much stuck in a time warp. Otherwise a great place, good beer, good food and dirt cheap! :ok:

An Teallach
29th Sep 2005, 18:24
I always thought the English (aka Anglo-Saxons) were bloody Germans! :p

SmilingKnifed
29th Sep 2005, 18:34
Germany is Great Britian's closest relative in Europe, even if they don't have a word for fluffy.

As for the fashion jibes, Hugo Boss is a German company.

Spuds McKenzie
29th Sep 2005, 18:42
even if they don't have a word for fluffy
They do: flockig; flaumig

Speaking of which:

Does anyone know what a Stachelrückentimalie (in English "Fluffy-Backed Tit-Babbler") is? :uhoh:

chuks
29th Sep 2005, 19:30
How about 'flauschig'? I think that means 'fluffy'. A plush toy would be called that. 'Flockig' would be more like 'fuzzy', I think. Like the wallpaper in an Indian restaurant.

'Stachel' hmm. A porcupine is a 'Stachelschwein' so that I don't think that word would denote something fluffy. Are you sure of the spelling?

I once spent a night in Battenberg, which is rendered in English as Mountbatten. I suppose it's where some of your royals hail from? Or not, as the case may be.

As to how close the Brits are to the Germans, well, English, in linguistic terms, is in the group of languages called 'Low German', I believe. About 30% of the words are shared between the two languages. Where I live there is a dialect called Plattdeutsch, so that if you were to go into some of the pubs and say 'Give me that beer,' you could get served, no problem, since it sounds just like its equivalent.

On the other hand, if you were looking for a set of sparking plugs for an Austin Allegro you would probably be laughed at. There is a limit to just how visitor-friendly your cousins are prepared to be.

My next-door neighbour has a Triumph TR-4. He likes it but he hardly gets to drive it for having to work on it. I had to show him that trick you use to wake the Lucas (Prince of Darkness) electric fuel pump from its snoozes, and the trick you use to free the clutch plate from the flywheel in the spring. Next, the key on the drive pulley for the water pump crumbled, when it sounded as fi the main bearings had gone, 'klonk-klonk-klonk'. Then we had to rebuild the brakes but now something in the clutch release mechanism has gone tits up. I suppose the carbon throwout bearing has disintegrated. He might be working up a bit of hatred towards the English, come to that. I can ask him if you like, next time I am back.

Astrodome
29th Sep 2005, 19:32
In respect of WW2, in my experience there is considerable respect and admiration between the former RAF and Luftwaffe aircrews.

There have been many re-unions between old adversities and, almost without exception I believe, the former Luftwaffe pilots have always held the RAF Bomber Command crews in extremely high regard.

The courtesy extended to the RAF crews since the War has been magnificent, and indeed there are many tales of the Luftwaffe ensuring that no harm came to downed Bomber Command crews during the War.

Interestingly enough the Luftwaffe and RAF guys I have spoken to confirm that there is a different and less close relationship with former USA aircrew. Strange that.

Spuds McKenzie
29th Sep 2005, 20:53
'flauschig' is 'fleecy'.

Are you sure of the spelling?

Natürlich bin ich sicher. Ist ja (beinahe) meine Muttersprache. ;)

reynoldsno1
29th Sep 2005, 21:10
My father had no great love for Germany or the Germans, probably something to do with the pieces of Krupps metal he carried around in various parts of his anatomy...

I first visited Germany at age 15, and for one reason and another, it has been the European country I have spent most time in. I worked in Berlin for 6 months or so in the early 70's.

I have always had a great time there - love the people, food and culture. Germans do have a sense of humour, and are probably the most likeable drunks I have been with....

I used to play darts against a retired Luftwaffe fighter pilots' association - great evenings, and they all had a wonderful sense of self-deprecation - as one of them said to his colleague "call zat shooting? - no vunder ve lost the vor....." (true!!)

...and there's something very earthy and primordial about svelte German ladies with armpit hair....:E

ShyTorque
29th Sep 2005, 21:20
I don't hate the Germans as a race, only the pilot who bombed our chip shop. ;)

G-CPTN
29th Sep 2005, 21:45
My father was a fireman on Tyneside (in England) during the War, so I suppose it's not surprising that his opinion of the Germans was somewhat biased, when they had to deal with the effects of parcels dropped onto the shipyards . . .

Astrodome
29th Sep 2005, 22:04
I guess similar views are held by firemen in Hamburg, Dusseldorf, Berlin, Frankfurt, Essen, etc, etc

G-CPTN
29th Sep 2005, 22:28
>I guess similar views are held by firemen in Hamburg, Dusseldorf, Berlin, Frankfurt, Essen, etc, etc

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Of course.
I was humbled by my visit to Dresden in 1989 . . .

BUMPFF
30th Sep 2005, 02:53
I have a close friend and former colleague who was a member of the Hitler Youth when I was in the Cubs. We often reflect on this, and the fact that whilst his Dad was busy dropping bombs from his He111 onto us, my Dad was busy making bombs to drop onto them.

hanx
30th Sep 2005, 07:46
Just to answer Spuds McKenzie's question, here is the Stachelrückentimalie:

a bird! (http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/fluffybackedtitbabbler2.jpg)

Spuds McKenzie
30th Sep 2005, 08:06
Thank you hanx.

Did some research and there are some other "Tit-Babblers" around:

Striped, Gry-Faced, Brown and Leyte.

Which leaves me with the question:

Who came up with the name "Tit-Babbler" and why...?

XXTSGR
30th Sep 2005, 11:40
Have you tried that dressed in a flowing robe with a chequered scarf over your head, especially after having forgotten to shave for a few weeks and uttering "God is Great" in a foreign tongue after the usual "Hi there, how ya doin' yerself?"...?!Actually, yes, I have! :ok: Went down a desert storm ;)

Doodlebug
30th Sep 2005, 17:38
No zey don't. Unless all my Brit friends are fantastic actors :ok:

Huck
30th Sep 2005, 18:56
I love the Germans and Germany.

So do my compadres - trips to Cologne and Frankfurt go mighty senior....

WestWind1950
30th Sep 2005, 19:08
I guess I like the Germans and Germany, after all, I've been living here the last 36 years! I grew up in sunny California! I was once married to a VERY typical German...too straigt laced and perfect (he thinks). Well, he's history... too typical I'm afraid :ugh: My kids are a nice mix between German and American... though my son shows signs of his father's character :{ oh,well... that's life!

Westy

Krystal n chips
30th Sep 2005, 20:01
Well my father has mixed views about the Germans--possibly due to his ClubMed 18-30 holiday taking in Eygpt, Basra ( which as he said was a s$$thole then and probably hadn't changed in more recent times) and then a scenic tour of Europe after the heat of the desert. However--mid 70's and the company he worked for were looking at external investiment--over came some Germans and seemingly a good time was had by all--including those of his generation from both countries--this in contrast to the Japs whose visit had to be "curtailed" shall we say.

As for me, well one of the best things the RAF ever did was post me to Germany--as it opened my eyes towards Europe and a European perspective away from this septic and insular little island--which, sadly, despite the many good features of the UK we are. I have been back to Germany on numerous trips over the years and still thoroughly enjoy the country and the people--as well as the great times I had over there c/o Aunty Betty. The only "problem" I have ever had was with a substance ?? called--think it's spelt correctly--Zotler--or maybe Zottler Pils--tastes like nectar at the lips and paint stripper by the time it makes the back of your throat-!!!!! -only--and thankfully--found I understand in Bavaria near to Obersdorf.

G-CPTN
30th Sep 2005, 20:26
>Zotler--or maybe Zottler Pils--tastes like nectar at the lips and paint stripper by the time it makes the back of your throat-!!!!!

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Can't possibly be worse than Underberg, taken after 'drink' supposedly to settle your stomache. It tastes WORSE coming up (and it comes up more slowly than when it went down!).

>Just to answer Spuds McKenzie\'s question, here is the Stachelrückentimalie:

http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/fluffybackedtitbabbler2.jpg

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Obviously a bird in the hand . . .

The Desert Ferret
30th Sep 2005, 22:58
I've been to Germany a few times - I think it is a fantastic country and German folk are, whilst not outgoing, are definitely the more honestly hospitable folk on mainland Europe in my opinion.

(Dutch and Skandos score high points too).

I've spent an awful long time as a sub-standard amateur historian trying to equate the Germany and Germans I've experienced and met in my life and the appalling history of events in the 1930s and WWII.

And I've failed to make sense of it all.

4legsaday
1st Oct 2005, 00:24
wow..interesting to follow this thread.
Finally I am glad to see that there are enough international minds around.
Because Europe has paid really enough of blood during their history.

Europe has these wild history, finally every european nation may have their reasons for "unfriendly feelings" against other nations.
But with the right communication the half of any problem should be elimiated quickly.

I agree to some of you guys that british and germans do have a lot in common, just follow the migration history in europe.

There should be no place for hate anymore.

cheers,
4legs

RiskyRossco
1st Oct 2005, 01:34
One has spent more time with Germany's neighbours rather than The Fatherland proper. Zurichistanis and Viennese were, on the whole, fun and most with whom one spoke made the effort to use English if one got into grammatical deep water. Southern Austria are a gentler folk, especially those connected with one's penfriend. Bank clerks, though, lost brownie points by charging extra interest on the travellers' cheques

"Who says the Germans don't have a sense of humour?"
"Almost everyone!"
Line from some comedy routine, years ago. .

Rollingthunder
1st Oct 2005, 01:42
All my life's a circle
sunrise and sundown
the moon rolls through the night-time
'till the daybreak comes around


My elders went through the blitz and were in the RAF and the Manchester Fire Brigade. They did not like the Germans or the Japanese and would not buy anything made there afterwards.

That was one generation.

One cannot blame new generations for the sins of their elders.

Unless they are so called Neo-Nazis.

RaraAvis
1st Oct 2005, 01:43
Although one is is not English one does have an opinion on ze Germans.

That opinion is very favourable. :)

Seems most Germans are called Johannes, Jochen, Jochan or similar and are all tall, blond, blue-eyed strapping lads, veeery pleasing on the eye.:O

Based on such extensive factual knowledge one can safely conclude, ze Germans are nice people....:8 :p

West Coast
1st Oct 2005, 04:29
Sorry, but theres no better looking series of cars than BMW'S. Except perhaps Mercedes.

cavortingcheetah
1st Oct 2005, 04:38
;)

Just returned from a fortnight touring, with the big topless Mercedes, through Bavaria and the Schwarzfald.
The greatest reward of the voyage, four thousand miles, was the paucity of piddling Poms, no doubt still in awe of the manifest German superiority in all matters from courtesy to autobahn toilet cleanliness.
A drift through their country is enough to make grown men weep and wish that the US of A had stayed out of WW 11.
Dialectics as to why it might be appropriate, even apposite, to espouse the philosophy of Communism but not that of the Fascists, would be interestingly received, given that Stalin was a rather better exterminator than his Austrian adversary. :{

XXTSGR
1st Oct 2005, 12:39
Rossco - I believe your quote was from the Goon Show. :ok:

The Desert Ferret
1st Oct 2005, 16:57
Beer's pretty good as well - though their vintners should pack it in and leave it to the French.

El Grifo
1st Oct 2005, 17:47
I have oft heard it said that the reason the Eenglish hate the Germans so much, is because they remind them so much of themselves !!!

:ouch: :ooh: :ouch:

G-CPTN
1st Oct 2005, 21:41
>though their vintners should pack it in and leave it to the French.

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I don't entirely agree - the South German wines (around the shores of Lake Constance) are excellent (and not to be confused with 'Liebfraumilch' and 'Blue Nun').

GAF4139
1st Oct 2005, 23:13
Do the English really hate ze Germans?[B]

I am German and I have been living in England for more than 8 years now. And the only time I have ever felt being treated like an unwelcome foreigner was when I had to go to the German Embassy in London to renew my German passport.

With the natives I usually get on quite well. But maybe I am not a very good German? My favourite comedy line of all times is "Don't mention the war!" I loved to watch "Allo! Allo!" when they take the mickey out of the German officers. I have to confess that I actually quite like English food and wine. The thought that I am supposed to get up at 6 o'clock in the morning to put my towel on the beach or a deckchair I find rather amusing. When my work colleagues try to make fun about me being German then I just mention that I might turn up in me Lederhosen. That usually does the trick to shut them up.

I have done most of my flying in the South of England (Having been in the Luftwaffe I thought I should keep up the tradition).

Personally I have only one problem with the British: They don't have a sense of humour. :D :D :D


GAF4139

Shagster
1st Oct 2005, 23:59
Working with the GAF at TTTE, a certain German Major (my oar) would arrive in the Tower as Duty Pilot. Out of courtesy we would stand and say "Good morning sir". He would stand with hands on hips..look us up and down and then reply "HA!..You vun de var, but still you must call me sir!"....every bleedin time. great people, great times.

cavortingcheetah
2nd Oct 2005, 10:43
:eek:

Down in Hohenschwangau the other day, a charming Hun informed me that his towel was already on the two best seats on the bus which was to take us up to the castle. He retired in some chagrin upon being told that I owned the bus company.
Heil.:p

Davaar
3rd Oct 2005, 10:58
Surely the thread cannot die without a glance from the other perspective, let's say Ernst Lissauer's Hasslied? It enjoyed great vogue in 1914, and then was picked up by the British, much as Lili Marlene in the later fixture.

French and Russian, they matter not,
A blow for a blow, a shot for a shot,
We fight the battle with bronze and steel,
And the time that is coming Peace will seal.
You we will hate with a lasting hate,
We will never forego our hate,
Hate by water and hate by land,
Hate of the head and hate of the hand,
Hate of the hammer and hate of the crown,
Hate of seventy millions choking down.
We love as one, we hate as one,
We have one foe and one alone--
ENGLAND!