Cantaun Airlines

[Jangys]

Heard that there is a new airline starting up called Cantaun. Heard former Des Battes from Executive Aerospace is invloved.

Any threads?

[Teignmouth]

...former Des Battes from Executive Aerospace...

So who was he before he was Des Battes?!

[Jangys]

Just Des Battes....

Heard Gerard Doms also involved.....

[flyingmogul]

Its true!!

They are planning to start up in 4-6 weeks. 2 x 747-400 for now. Based in JHB and a further 744 for next year.

Flying to Europe and back. Next year to include South America.

Should be good, it appears all the first option seats are taken, wait for the next crew...

FM

[Jangys]

I really hope that this is not another CIVAIR, taking passengers money as issuing tickets long before the aircraft arrives.

Scares the :mad: t out of me since the same crowd of EX SAA retired crew that was involved with CIVAIR is now also in the seat for these guys.

Pity that these ex SAA retired pilots get to operate these aircraft. It passed my mind what they are going to do about the 60 years of age rule in Europe.

I think these boys should just retire and fly their kites on weekends, give the youngsters a chance!!!!


:cool:

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Give the youngsters a chance, eh?

Any chance of some contact details...?:ok:

[Stayinalive]

Not so sure the youngsters are going to feel the same when reaching the age of 60 and told their days are at an end in the industry and they have still a s$%tload to contribute.
Know quite a few guys at that point now and can tell u that they would be a premature loss to all of us who are still learning should they be unfairly booted out of a way of life that is their passion.
Get real......at what age does a lawyer, doctor. dentist, president etc have to throw in the towell. As long as fitness is not a factor.....keep on going...U have my vote.:ok:

[aerocomm]

Cantoun Airlines.....

So Far, 20% investment by Mark Shuttleworth, 40% European Investment and 40% by West African petroleum in Ghana. The Aircraft will be registered in Ghana and will be 2 x EX Malaysian B747-400 combis. Routes will be JNB-ACC-LGW and JNB-ACC-HOU.
Thats all I got for now,
CIAO

[Gerard123]

I can't wait :)

[exjet]

Directly from Mark's mouth - he has NO involvement in this airline - or any airline for that matter.

[Gunship]

Absolutely no truth in the fact that Mark has anything to do with it.

[jet_crews]

I think its a great thing for South Africa.
Just hope its not like Star Airlines .
GOOD LUCK!!!!!

[Kep Ten Jim]

With over 60 year old captains, what routing will they be flying the ACC-LON sector? They won't be allowed to overfly France. They also won't be allowed to fly to the States

[VTS]

:confused:

Jangys dude.....just where did you get this info from ?

A exhaustive search on the world wide wait has produced nada, zip, zero, niks, nu.....thing.

Buddies in ALPA have not heard squat and same goes for buddies at JIA......:confused:

Seems that if this Cantaun or whatever it's name is,indeed IS going to emerge then it is a better kept secret than George Micheal's sexual preferences....:8

[Mark J B]

I hear they have recruited about 7 cabin crew from Comair. They have already resigned so there must be some truth to the rumour.

[thayrd]

this sounds remarkably like a Boag/Butler set up. why the ghana registration? crew employed by boag international also resigned from their jobs and were given contracts to operate on a ghana aoc.nothing but a lot of really dissapointed people left now.a search on google using the spelling cantoun brings up another forum with the same info about ownership but little else.

[Jangys]

Its True.....

Cantoun Airlines does exists, had two guys in my office today looking for some technical backup in JNB.

Watch this space as they will be starting up soon, so they say......

[wheelbay]

well someone did register the domain...unless someone is poaching

http://co.za/cgi-bin/whois.sh?Domain=*Cantoun*&Enter=Enter

[124.8]

Well, why always have negative feelings about a new operator, see how 1Time has gone from success to success in a year's time, seen in Mauritius AND Baghdad!!!
Life is full of surprises, who wants to fly to Gatwick, rather busy and overcrowded Heathrow?? AND other destinations !!
Why should a new operator make itself known so the opposition can try to " slaughter " it and keep its R6.5 bn .......in the red......
Keep on guessing..... look at the sky in a few months, and keep a positive attitude!!
From the flying world somewhere, Indonesia, or Hawaii, or Bankok, or Pakistan, or New York!!! for new bussiness and landing rights....!!!

[fireitup]

Any contact details for these guys and what sort of requirements they are looking for?
:ok:

[mach decimal 83]

any news on whats happening and if this airline is still going to be??

[Jangys]

Recruited all the Cockpit Crew which signed their contracts already. The same with the cabin crew. Purchased all the trolleys, catering equipment.

Office staff employed and stading by in their newly furnished offices.

All they need now is the..........wait for it............"AIRCRAFT"

:O :O

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Ahhh, no....:(

Not another one.:{

[warloc67]

Word of caution guys,

I have it on very good authority that the SA Air Service License Council has not received any application from this airline yet, this means no AOC which means no operation for at least three months due to the fact the the last sitting is in beginning Dec and I believe that one is fully booked. If they go non-SA for a schedule ops they need approval from the same council so me thinks this is not happening soon.:yuk:

[yogibear]

:hmm: ..Heard from a person who knows a person who knows a person at JIA that the latest going around is that Cantaun has gone 'bung'..bankrupt, closed, not going to operate anymore...call it what you want to.

Seems that the financial backing has pulled out or something similiar. So now what we have is a lot of crew etc. who where promised all sorts of wonderfull things now sitting in the unemployed chairs.

De Je`Civiar Voux....or is it just me ????

PS: I know my spellink suks so please accept my apple-gees.....

[beechbum]

Ag no!!!!!!!
Now I had heard from a friend of a friend that.....all crew were presently on course and that the launching of the airline would only begin next year about March/April. Crew would only be receiving their basic salaries and nothing more. I hope something is still in the pipeline otherwise as you said there are going to be alot of unhappy jobless people. Man this suks!!!:{
Maybe someone from the prospective airline can come forward and tell all.............we wait!!!!:ugh:

[Goldfish Jack]

Come on guys and gals.

Lets be realistic - so many rumours doing the rounds it is not true. They have not yet applied for their license here, UK or Ghana or the US for that matter, so I am led to believe.

With all these stories do you really think the airline will ever get up and running.

Feel desperately sorry for the crews they have employed. Where will they now find work?????????

[reptile]

Now confirmed - simulator training for cocpit crew has been delayed. Payment deadlines were not met by company. May just be a cash flow hicup.

[BluebottleZap]

Re Cantoun (Yogibear has the spelling wrong)

If you think that John Canterbury and Paul Ounder would lend their names to launching a bankrupt airline you must be from a different planet.
These two quiet individuals are behind the fifth largest private airline in the world whose profits are capable of sustaining any new start up.
I suppose Pprune can only exist with pilots creating bar talk.

BluebottleZap

[starliner]

Today's scuttlebutt is that "employees" are now seeking legal advice to try and claim salaries - this is second hand info

[MysticFlyer]

BluebottleZap, nogal?

Next time planning a start-up, put pilot's and crew under assets and liabilities and not under consumables.

Now get out of our bar, we're busy consuming here and getting rather drunk here!

MF:}

[Fluffy flyer]

I have been led to believe that the funding for this project is in the country but the government has not as yet released the funds to the airline.

My gripe is why employ 60 cabin crew and 20+ flight deck let them leave their jobs, if you don’t have the money in place to pay them a salary.

Sounds to me like the cart is before the horse……… This is not one of the best ways I know for management to instil confidence in its work force.

I am personally not impressed :(

[MysticFlyer]

Well the search will reveal that Beechjet, the guy on Sabbatical, said that it would be a sucessfull BEE project.

Well, obviously if the funds are released only. Before that they have made a rather mockery of hopefulls.

Well, remember what the B stands for, unBEElieveable, it's got some STING.

Positive :yuk:
Carefull that the chart do not run over the donkeys! Stand aside!

[African Tech Rep]

On this one I’m with Fluffy

Find planes – get ball rolling on AOC – know your dates – get crew.
Without planes and AOC – crew not needed.

[starliner]

without pax/market - no AOC/aircraft needed !

[four engine jock]

well it looks as if this may be another airline in SA thats up to no good!
crews have not been paid. And now told maybe starting in feb.
remember African Star and Civ Air.

watch out all.

[GormanInkarnati]

Not that difficult to understand why crews have not been paid.

Whenever a large sum of money enters SA it has to be scrutinized by the Reserve Bank to trace the origin, legit or not.

This takes time.

Good things come to those who can wait.

GI

[south coast]

how come these kind of things only happen in africa?

[Fluffy flyer]

GI …………

You’re having a laugh mate,

I told the bank that I have my house bond with, not to worry but they will just have to wait for there money.

I told my children that because their Dad hasn’t been paid a salary by Cantoun, that they won’t be getting Christmas presents this year.

Sorry must make this short as they are going to cut the electricity to the house so it will shut the computer off.

GI ……… I hope you are getting the point, as I mentioned in my post a few back, employ people when you have the funds in place to pay them, and not before.

We have left jobs in good faith that the management of Cantoun had all the bases covered, and that they know what they are doing, clearly not!!!!!!

Its more aviation Bull s%*t that’s what it is.

FF

[four engine jock]

thats the way to tell it fluff
i know of many people that put there trust in this so called start up airline . i just hope its not another scam.
these people have kids and bills to pay.

[GormanInkarnati]

Did'nt know that detail. I feel for you. I have been unemployed in the past too. The most important thing I have learned is too never let go of one branch until you have the other one firmly in hand

GI

[MysticFlyer]

On history and puppets, (Prins) Gorman Inkarnati, wasn't he the prime evil enemy of "Redding Internasionaal", with that bafoonthingy-guy flying his spaceship for him?

They normally lost the dogfights over Cape Town and beyond against the South African forces every time! (Snyman or de la Rey, what were those brave hero's names?)

Who else here is that old? Well anyway, rant over. :oh:

MF;)

[GormanInkarnati]

There is good in everyone:E

GI

PS- It was "Interster" and the good guy was "Buks de La Rey" if memory serves.

What was the hot blonde called??;)

[MysticFlyer]

So "hijacking" is when someone complains after hearing something they don't wish to hear, eish, that hurts! (I still wish to hear which part I used as hijacking method and where it contained any ranting un-truths?)

Forums I always thought could be constructive, but should be kept unpartial. Seems too much rhetoric here on sensitive ears. A lot of my post got itself deleted there....I thought this is a rumour network? :*

Seems to me the horse got himself eaten, and the cart is in for a mod, a V8 will be fitted. (BEE sure to check the brakes and availibilty of fuel...:ooh: )

MF:ok:

Alhoewel daar baie politiek in Interster was, het ek altyd probeer onthou dat dit maar net poppe-spel was. Hierdie is die regte lewe maar onthou; Die bose Gorman was ook om elke hoek en ster geflous "deur die verdomde De la Rey en sy trawante". Lank lewe Buks de la Rey! :E

[beechbum]

What hapened to freedom of speech? Rant Rant Rant!!!!!!
Freedom ........viva viva!!!!!!
Eisch!!!
As your posts are full of some good banter Mystic, pity I missed it before it was deleted. Must have been juicy!!!!!
I think the horse was served up for breakfast this morning......umm thought it tasted a bit odd. Now must go and see a man about it............!!!!!
Au revoir mes amis!!!!

[Fluffy flyer]

GI

Apology accepted mate,

You are quite correct about the tree and branch analogy. What you may not know is on the 1st of November Cantoun presented us all with written contracts of employment, and each contract was signed and counter signed by the relevant management people concerned.

We have been told by management that they will still honour the contracts and that we will be back paid the money that is owing to us, but that doesn’t help to pay the bills now.

I have fortunately been able to get another job, but there are lots out there that are not so lucky.

My point again is how stupid can management be to employ people let them sign contracts of employment knowing full well that they don’t have the money available to access for salaries, it’s a sick job.

FF

[four engine jock]

dear fluffy
you are the lucky one.
some of the crew they hired are still looking for jobs
the ? if they have a signed contracts, what can the do if they dont get there money.
I think and hope iam wrong , that this is just another scam!

[four engine jock]

Greeting CAI Crew Members. Trust you are keeping well. A little top up information. The CEO's trip East to meet the Investors was wholly successful. CIA is financially secure with guarantees!
Remuneration will be addressed in January. Compliments of the Season to you and Yours.


Maybe there a chance!!!!!!

[MysticFlyer]

Still...CIA or CAI, it will be scrutinized. This, by the way is not how business is done.......ANYWHERE!

Who do they think they are monkeying around, or what do I say?

Beware, you are entering a sensitive market here too, like the rest of the world, bad foot to kick off from, my 2c worth!

MF

[Fluffy flyer]

Anyone with the latest on this Airlines money problems.

I hear that money could now be available and salaries could be paid by end of December, and the end of Dec is almost here.......

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Good luck to all.:ok: Hope they can get it up and running. More jobs for crews can't be a bad thing.

[I.R.PIRATE]

Pleeeease all of you, to this day Gorman Inkarnati gives me the creeps. That large nasty scary scary scary man puppet. Dunno if i will be able to sleep tonight?? Oh well, i was pretty used to insomnia then....guess I can handle it now......



scary scary scary man puppets.....

Growing conspiracy.....everyones after me.....frayed ends of sanity...hear him calling...hear him calling meeee....!!!!

Damn it, now look what youve done

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Maybe it's time to put the door back on the microwave oven, Mr Pirate...:E :ok:

[GormanInkarnati]

Bwah..ha.ha.......bwah..ha..ha!!!!
(me attempts the evil Gorman laugh)

:E :E :E

GI

[I.R.PIRATE]

Eish Tokolosh......

PLease cover up your face when you laugh....those massive flabby jowls pulsating with every bwah....

They're coming to take me away haha, they coming to take me away heehee.....

[Jangys]

Heard via the grapevine that these okes are going to pay all the people they hired 20% of their salaries and call it the day.

Sounds like some-one is pocketing a lot of money for himself.

Wonder what they will do with all the catering equipment they bought. Kinda show you "koffie-moffies" cant run an airline...

:{

[Malagant]

It is true,U cannot overfly France as P1 if U older than 60, ask Nationwide, they used a ex SAA captain on the JHB- Gatwick route over DEC and had to fly around!! :sad: Using ex SAA crew while he is getting a great big pension etc is bit unfair, if wanna use their experience they should give some instruction... U wouldn`t be so pos about it if they took yourr slot now, would U...:{

[RSQ]

Hi Guys.

These ****heads took a damn good employee from my business, doing me some damage in the process,then proceeded to keep him hanging for four months with a signed contract and not a cent paid, honestly, let's look at the names involved, with the possible exception of the"backers", not one credible businessman among them.
As for the "instructor" who was buying the aircraft, - honestly ! couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery - a history of half finished projects and broken promises !
Pity my poor ex employee with no way of meeting his home bond and feeding his wife - when will these kinds of people be held accountable?
Publish ALL their names I say, as a warning to those who would do business with them and let us not allow our friends to put themslves in financial jeopardy.
I will start with a name.......how about Keith Irwin ?
Luckily enough, my ex employee will now be a new employee as our business has expanded enough to re-emply him again.

[yogibear]

ask Nationwide, they used a ex SAA captain on the JHB- Gatwick route over DEC and had to fly around!!

Malagant !!!!....dude you really REALLY need to figure out your 'A' from your 'E'...:suspect: :suspect: :suspect:

I have it on very VERY good authority that CE do indeed have ex-SAA captains BUT none that are over 60 are ever used on the JIA - LGW route !!!!! they are driving the 73's.....:hmm: :hmm:

[Fluffy flyer]

RSQ

I do have to agree with you, these guys need to be accountable for their actions.

The talk among those involved is that they are planning to start up in March, yes March this year… ja right, find it hard to believe as I hear still no licence applied for and the CAA have said that they will not allow the Cartoon charactures to operate on someone else’s charter licence.

I think Mr G. Doms (CEO) and the boys have elusions of grandeur and it is very sad that they have managed to thus far get away with treating fellow aviators this way

[Fluffy flyer]

I have it on very VERY good authority that CE do indeed have ex-SAA captains BUT none that are over 60 are ever used on the JIA - LGW route !!!!! they are driving the 73's.....:hmm: :hmm:

Dear Yogibear, I have to back Malagant on this one I am afraid.

He is right, Nwide did us an EX-SAA Captain and they did have to fly around France because of the over 60 rule.

And yes Yogi there are other EX-SAA guys that are flying the 73.
Have a great day and fly safe.

[Malagant]

[quote=yogibear]Malagant !!!!....dude you really REALLY need to figure out your 'A' from your 'E'...:suspect: :suspect: :suspect:

I have it on very VERY good authority that CE do indeed have ex-SAA captains BUT none that are over 60 are ever used on the JIA - LGW route !!!!! they are driving the 73's.....:hmm: :hmm:[/quote

Correct me if am wrong, think the chaps name is T.B.. maybe not ex SAA but is over sixty and on the 767... whatever yogi..

[Fluffy flyer]

The rumour is it will start in March and that salaries will be back paid during the first week in Feb.

Does anyone have confirmation of this.

[Fluffy flyer]

The rumour is that Cantoun Air International is poised to start for the second time.

I am led to believe that crew are to be recalled from the 4 corners of the globe to start training at the beginning of March 06. This is for a first flight in April.

Will the previously employed crew be as eager this time to leave their jobs again and join this Airline? Or will it not get off the ground this time due to a vote of no confidence on the part of those that were previously employed.

I believe the crew are still waiting for their salaries from the month of November 2005 onwards.

[Solid Rust Twotter]

I'm certain the list of those who would step in to fill the places left by those who decide not to return is as long as your arm.

Where do we sign up?:ok:

[Blah Blah Fishpaste]

Does anybody know whats happened to these guys? They hired a bunch of people but have no aircraft yet? or do they?