Lufthansa Over 60s flying to USA ?

[73jock]

I've heard that Lufthansa (and maybe other operators) are using captains over 60 for US flights - that they get an exemption for each such flight. Can anyone confirm this ?

[Ramrise]

Hi,

Not true as far as I know. Reportedly a Lufthansa 744 captain lost his court case in which he claimed the right to fly after 60.

Personally I hope this to be true as it might set a precedent for the numerous cases to come.

Regards,

Ramrise

[Taildragger67]

Ramrise,

A Qantas captain lost his over-60 case in 1998. Went all the way to the High Court (highest court in the land):

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/disp.pl/au/cases/cth/high%5fct/1998/18.html?query=%5e+christie

[Briza]

Hi there!

To be honest and AFAIK, there shouldn't be any captain left on the L/R flights with this age.
Fact is that the DLH contract states that you terminate work with latest 60, and I will later on have a look at the database to ascertain this.
There is an exemption with some minor carriers like Cityline, where you could fly up to the age of 65. But even they have reportedly problems already within EU, as these CPTs are not allowed to France e.g.

So in the end - no, there are no CPTs with more then 6o years going to the US. If I for some reason should come to know an exception from this rule, I will hit back on you.

~b

[hart744]

I was on the 744 until early this year and there is no one doing it. The American will never agree to that.

Many years ago, the retirement age was 55.

Did anyone see this about Uchtdorf?

Interesting!! (http://deseretnews.com/confer/leaders/b.htm)

more here (http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/w/o/wol3/uchtddf1.htm)

[GlueBall]

hart744: "The American[s] will never agree to that. "

...print and frame your statement. Hang it inside your closet, so that when the age-60 rule is abandoned that you can truly learn the meaning of "changing times," ...and not to say: "Never."

Aside from all that, there are over-age-60 "retired" Lufty pilots who have a second life operating Lufty cargo flights from your home turf right now with ex-LH B747-230s owned by ACMI contractors. :ooh:

[catchup]

Wait Gentleman until the EU antidiscrimination rules apply in Germany.....

BTW there are plenty of captains over 60 in Germany, not LH, who fly to the US.

regards

[hart744]

Glueball: James Bond said "Never say never again", so in that sense you are right. I don't disagree that if there is enough political pressure on the law makers, things will change.

When I wrote the "American will never agree to that.", I was referring to 73jock's comment - "that they get an exemption for each such flight. ". American will never exempt a foreign carrier but not its own carriers to do the same. That's unfair competition to the American.

I know we have former colleagues that is now working for ACMI outfit but I bet you, you can't find me one that flies to the US of A as designated Pilot in Command.

[meaw]

We have the age 60 rule at Air Canada but the charter operators here don't and I have friend who after retiring here went to Skyservice as a captain and I can confirm that he is not allowed to operate to the US , no exceptions.There is no way , even cargo captain could operate to the states over 60.
The only PIC position you could do at that age is Corporate jet PIC.

[hart744]

Here is a good article from someone who has experienced it.

John Deakin (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/185048-1.html)

[chimbu warrior]

I know of a company where over-60 Captains fly to the USA, but they get around it by rostering a younger Captain as part of the crew, and the younger one is PIC.