Historic maxims of air combat

[gareth herts]

Hi all

Not a flier myself, just an interested observer who has just re-read Robert Prest's "F4 Phantom - A Pilot's Story" for the umpteenth time.

I wondered while reading if there are any of the great maxims of air combat that simply no longer apply in this technological day and age - or are the old rules as useful today as they have always been?

Thanks

Gareth

[BEagle]

As taught to the locals by a chap who once taught in a certain foreign air force as part of one of BWoS' gun-running deals:

"If attacked from astern, enter a 45 deg turn to port. Hold it for 15 sec, then reverse into a 45 deg turn to starboard."

"If attacked from head-on, enter a loop at the merge, then resume straight flight"

"If attacked from the beam, turn away from the attacker and engage a/b"

:E

[6foottanker]

' If you think.....you're dead!'
Now where did I hear that......?

[BOAC]

If you can find a copy, look for the much respected (sadly deceased) Keith Holland's 'Art of Coarse Combat' for a laugh. THOSE rules still apply :D

[Archimedes]

The book by Robert Shaw, Fighter Combat might be of interest to you, Gareth. I think it's been republished recently.

Without wishing to breach the etiquette about advertising on this forum, a certain very well-known on-line purveyor of reading matter and other sundries would appear to be carrying it. (Hint - think South America, long river and basin....)

[Hueymeister]

'Beware the Hun in the Sun'

never break right?

[Rakshasa]

Quoting an Old boss.

"That's a bloody expensive tie!"

[gareth herts]

Thanks for the replies so far - I'll hunt that book out Archimedes - if I can just work out your riddle ;)

I guess the question more specifically was whether technology has made some of these "rules" redundant and whether they still form the basis for modern day air combat training as they were in R.Prest's day - 30 odd years ago.

Cheers

Gareth

[iccarus]

Particular fan of this one myself - applicable only to certain jets of course!!

"Sight is life , speed is groovy. An aircraft at 1.6M has no six"

[maxburner]

When I was a lad flying F4s, the boss had a saying: 'Lift is a gift, thrust is a must and 8Gs are not enough.'

As true today, I suspect, as it was then.

The rule I liked to apply was 'always enter a fight behind a Sparrow.' For Sparrow read Skyflash or Aim 120.

[Crashed&Burned]

If you think you are in full control, you're not going fast enough.

[Rakshasa]

"Hueymeister: 'Beware the Hun in the Sun'"

Nah that one still applies only these days we say "Beware of the Pun in Scum."


I'll get me coat.... :}