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TAC On
22nd Aug 2005, 01:53
KAL are now officially looking for additional 744 Captains.

Several contract companies have been supplying pilots to KAL.

Given past behaviour of some, it will be interesting to see how many candidates are taken from the companies who have shown an unwillingness to conform to expected standards.

For instance. IAC Pacific lost a case in the Vanuatu Supreme Court wherein they were found to have witheld monies from a contract captain, without lawful excuse. That same company is in dispute with several other former employees regarding the retention of salary, when those Captains chose to take their business elsewhere.

It seems Best International is also having a few problems, with threats by them, of legal action against Captains shifting their allegiances at the expiration and renewal of their contract terms.

Will KAL stand for these antics or will they perhaps be reluctant to accept further candidates from those who cause stress and turmoil with their workforce? Time will tell.

CAVEAT EMPTOR.

TAC On

bonvol
22nd Aug 2005, 02:42
Golden opportunity for AIPA recruitment services to secure a launch customer!

I'm sure a few disengaged 400 skippers would jump at the chance if the money was right.

skol
22nd Aug 2005, 05:24
Working for KAL is not what I would recommend. I had an interview with this organisation a few years ago for a -400 capts job and was appalled at the treatment I received. The hotel they put the applicants up in was the worst in my career (36 years), and the simulator instructor (korean) yelled at us on several occasions for not knowing KAL procedures despite not being briefed on them. No briefing was held on the sim detail at all. The person who wrote the tech exam was illiterate and I had to request clarification of the questions on several occasions. This was a loss of face and I incurred the wrath of this individual. I opted out. I wasn't at all surprised that KAL was one of the least popular airlines with safety conscious customers.

flyguykorea
22nd Aug 2005, 12:15
Working for KAL is not what I would recommend

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I know a lot of drivers here who are happy with the deal - particularly days off and in general, working conditions.

Go anywhere and it will be hard to find the perfect fit. Just remember that Korea is probably not the same culture as you're used to. Come with an open mind and you'll probably enjoy your time here. I know I certainly continue to.

Riker
22nd Aug 2005, 13:22
Flyguykorea is correct. If you are not used to getting abused and yelled at frequently and being forced to stay in crappy hotels (generally disrespected while other airlines are more than willing to extend a hand to experienced aviators), avoid Korea like the plague.... I guess it's a cultural thing...

fullforward
22nd Aug 2005, 17:58
Welcome to the korean way in aviation! Their CRM involves even slapping on f/os!....
Sad to know nothing improved over there on this regard...otherwise a lovely and hard working people.

Kep Ten Jim
22nd Aug 2005, 19:29
flyguykorea -

I see the ads are offering about US$11800 as a basic salary. (IAC contract)

Do you get allowances on top of this? If so, about how much?

And are there any hidden expenses that IAC don't tell you about, like Korean income tax?

What about overtime? - much of that available?

flyguykorea -

Check your PMs

TAC On
23rd Aug 2005, 09:14
Kep Ten Jim

There are many things to consider in a contract.

Rule 1 . Get it in writing. Do not trust anything by word only. Many guys have been burned badly.

How do the insurance coverages compare. For instance ACE Insurance is one that several contract companies use. Read the small print and you will find that disability payments are based on your ability to "work"(MacDonalds perhaps). Lloyds on the other hand insure your ability to hold your present position. ACE also have some hang ups on paying for disability resulting in surgery. Get the policy document before you commit. If the contract company you choose is reluctant to give you full details, be very afraid.

What industrial legislation will you be covered by. If the contract company is based in a country that recognises British Law, ie Australia, NZ, Vanuatu, etc, then the precedents are quite clear. You are an employee, not an independent contractor, regardless of what you sign. As such you have some rights and statuatory entitlements, (these cannot be contracted out of). It is encumbent on your prospective employer to inform you of which jurisdiction they are working in and which industrial law applies. IAC Pacific, refuse to answer that question!

Some contract companies try to hold you beyond the expiry of your contract. If there is any clause in the offered contract that seeks to restrict you for any period of time after the expiry of you contract, it is an unlawful restraint of trade. I recommend you don't touch it.

If you do a search on this forum for "IAC Pacific" you may get an insight into some of the difficulties that can be encountered with contract companies.

Tread carefully my friend.

TO

Kep Ten Jim
23rd Aug 2005, 14:13
TAC On -

Thanks for that info. I have in the meantime, been getting some feedback from various sources about some of the contract companies. Careful treading is what I shall do!

atccfi
23rd Aug 2005, 20:17
Too Funny Riker!!! Thanks for the laugh!

nicolas777
19th Oct 2005, 02:23
As a job of a captain in KAL is fantastic.
Good Salary, Smart f/os and Good fleet.
Just watch out old minded captains!;)