More goings @ FLS

[morroccomole]

Announced yesterday (16th): Manchester QA manager and Manchester Line Manager departed without being able to say 'cheerio'. Also a Line Supervisor with them.

[Gen Brace]

As far as we know the removal list is the line manager(again-held this job once before if I remember rightly) quality manager 1 hangar manager and distinct possibility of another following. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif

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[SchmiteGoBust]

Also heard a rumour that 20 engineers at LGW are getting the heave ho..What the hell are FLS doing..Is this some incredibly clever survival plan whereby money losses are minimised by shutting everything down and binning staff. Oh dear..my hopes are not high!!

[snapon]

If the hangar at STN is short of engineers, have the boys at GTW been offered a transfer to diamond hangar. Must be financially more viable than paying off these guys.

Or is the writing on the wall.......Pay GTW off then sell up diamond hangar? or am I stating the obvious?



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[cotos]

Gen Brace is quite right.
The company is getting rid of the garbage that prevails in management positions which must be good. Good managers are being put in positions where ex-danair pratts used to be, (Maintrol for example) so that the comany may be able to attract staff from outside. I left a few months ago but I hope the good folk still there will reap something from the clearing out of the wanquers.

[Dozy Bell]

Would any of the blokes at LGW want to take a position at STN? I know I wouldn't!!

[SchmiteGoBust]

So..Who decided which managers should go out of the Man hangar? Smacks a bit of the old DAN-DARE mafia type of manouevering we have all come to know and love!! Anyway we can always look on the bright side--with all the managers left being DAN-AIR (bar 1), the base should rapidly turn into a profit making concern...I THINK NOT. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif

[Gen Brace]

Is the mangement being removed a calculated attempt at making the path for a takeover simpler with whoever that may be purchasing? Ensuring that there will be no dead weight left. Who knows, if these same people were removed say ten years ago when the whole process of F.L.S. buying in to aviation began it might be a totally different situation now without the whole threat of our parent company pulling out.
Given our track record would you even consider buying in to a company with such a proven poor track record with managers that consistently give a poor performance, the answer from any normal sane person would be NO!! :rolleyes:

Clear out the whole lot of them and start from scratch! This should have been done years ago. :mad: NO more of this side to side job movement the only job movement should have been to have the car park, sorry guys no offence and no tears you had a good run at it... http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/tongue.gif



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[Inspector Gadget]

Manchester line manager P.H.?

[The hippy]

GEN BRACE

Would I be right in saying that you where one of the 32 kept on in hanger 4



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[SchmiteGoBust]

Inspector Gadget...you are correct in your assumption. Second time FLS management have done this to him. They're so compassionate!!!
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[plainoldfitter]

did someone mention a certain Quality manager being escorted off STN base today?

Prehaps mondays meeting will result in more free desks, and less expenses!!

Who would have believed the managements inability, to pass down crucial Audit report
information.

[Gen Brace]

Any more bets on who is going to take over the line managers position yet???

I think I know allready! someone carefully moved from the hangar to the line not so long ago.

:)Anyway answers on a postcard to

Geoff Pilgrim
F.L.S. Aerospace
hanagar 1
M.I.A.

Or alternatively his boss or at least she thinks she is :)

Rosie Bell http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/tongue.gif
(senior senior something or other)
same address
http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/Gif/SPanikengun.gif

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[morroccomole]

Also gone last week (Thurs) Tech Services manager and HR former chief.

[Gen Brace]

F.L.S. TV is now everywhere in the hangar to let the employees know who is leaving and when.(might have cctv view of the car park on it so you know whos being marched off and when)

Nice tv's, apparently cost about £900 each.

Think that at least one of them might look good in my front room if theres any spare.

Black belt system is being implemented now,so is it a case that if you dont have one you are marched of the premises.Or is it the other way round.

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[OldHand]

More discussions on FLS topics on the FLS community website


communities.msn.com/flsaerospace

[A/c Slave]

Help please, I have been trying for ages to get the fls communities site, my MSN home page shows 'no results found'. Where do I search and what exactly do I type?

By the way, a certain 'manager'(hanger) at Stn. has been temp. releived of his duties!
Thank god, hope it is permenant.......

[unwrapping the aog]

I,ve just read the news about a certain employee moving to FLS Man Line, I do hope It's not a certain Mr. Greengrass, you boys at Man have got enough to contend with as it is!

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[Gen Brace]

Kevlar jackets are going to be considered for free issue on the line, either that or they are going to have to remove all sharp objects!!!

By the way how many people took an instant disliking to him on the first week???

Good luck to the rest of you. He might be made up to line manager :rolleyes:



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[Gen Brace]

Tried F.L.S. communities website couldnt get in said it either no longer exsisted or was temporarily unavailable bit like most of the management :) :) :)

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[OldHand]

The website is one of the msn communities.

Full address is

<communities.msn.com/flsaerospace

I just tried it with http://www. in front and it didn't work.

If you cant get in that way, go to the msn home page and click on <communities> The FLS site is listed under <companies>

You have to have a Hotmail address to contribute to the discussions but you don't need anything to read the stuff in there.

Good luck see you there I hope.

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[Dozy Bell]

I took an instant disliking to Greensnot the moment I met him. Should get on well within FLS then shouldn't he. Known as POP on his shift due everything being a piece of p155

[Gen Brace]

Another sad demise here is the canteen. NO longer financially viable at the weekends.

Thought that what the whole subsidy thing was about dont blame us for getting fed up and hungry on 12 hr shifts... http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/confused.gif

Try and get the morale up, Then stamp on us again...

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[near enuf is good enuf]

I'd look into the legalities of closing the canteen if I were you (and it bothers you enuf).
The company have to supply a canteen if there is so many bodies @ work (don't know the figure).

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[Dozy Bell]

Have just heard that FLS' M.T. section MAN is to close down. Does anyone know if this is true?

[SchmiteGoBust]

Just heard the same thing meself. They think it may be shut by XMAS the way talk is going. Understandably the Management need to cut costs to try and save the company. To do this ,as everyone knows, you have to lean down departments where possible.Departments that are way too big:--for instance personnel springs to mind. Twice as many staff as the MT section!!! However FLS appear to be binning the MT in its entirety where in fact they should be increasing it in size. It has always been understaffed and the ground equipment in a poor state because of this.
What the bloody hell are they doing! It would seem that personnel is the only fireproof department in FLS. Bit odd really as it has the poorest performance/reputation.

[Dozy Bell]

If its true they will close it by xmas it shows how insensitive FLS managment really are. Ruining 3 families Xmas' to save the company approx £45000/year. I'm sure that amount will keep the wolves from the door!!!
Come on FFCat lets have your opinion on this.

[Gen Brace]

Not buying those t.v.s would have saved about £5000...

come on be sensible!

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[snapon]

Boys

FFCat has withdrawn from submitting items for us to read.

He is still at FLS Stn, working in his office. Found out that he is supposedly being very proactive for his department.

He took off when a couple of us rumbled his identity, sorry FFCat we've known who you are for some time.

Keep on biking.

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[near enuf is good enuf]

"He took off when a couple of us rumbled his identity"
Proud of that are we ?

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So that you may not be the martyred slaves of Time,
get drunk, get drunk,
and never pause for rest!
With wine, poetry, or virtue,
as you choose!"

[snapon]

Depends on how you view the person involved.

If he was respected at work, then not proud of rumbling him.

But as he spent lots of time viewing BIG BROTHER and chatting on chat lines/houses during works time whilst we lose work, which he should be bringing in, then yep.

There are other reasons but not to be aired to publicly.

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[Inspector Gadget]

Sorry to hear about Manchester M.T.. Stessful as it is, getting the boot from fls is probably a good move in the long run. Having been through the 'FLS experience' myself recently I can honestly say that life does get better once you leave!
Also if the state of the FLS van that I used to drive was typical of the companies fleet,then it looks like the MT is as poorly funded and managed as the rest of the company. I used to be embarrased when I took the van home and recieved comments from my neighbours such as 'I hope you look after your aircraft better than your van!'.
So look on the bright side mt boys. A career at FLS should only be viewed in the short term anyway (as it usually is). Remember to choose your employer with a bit more care next time and you will do OK.

[Lamptramp]

I have an interview at STN tomorrow whats the gen then boys, good move or bad???

[SchmiteGoBust]

Hi Lamptramp. I suggest you look at a previous thread entitled "FLS time to go". YOU will find it by clicking on the button at the top saying "show topics from last 30 days". Personally I would advise you not to go because the future of the company (financially) is looking extremely dodgy. The parent company are pulling out all funding so FLS aerospace have to stand on their own as of the end of November. Seeing as they haven't made a profit for the last 8 years things don't look over rosey!! Also ,if you are an engineer, you will not be treated like the Queen of Sheba -more like Baldrick out of Blackadder!!!!
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[Dozy Bell]

I completely agree with schmite. It seems to me that FLS will not be here at christmas next year. I hope i'm wrong but that's the way it looks to me. http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/frown.gif

[unwrapping the aog]

Yet again the FLS manangement try to solve there financial problems caused by there own inefficiency by getting rid of one of the smallest lowest paid departments. MT is probably one of the most important departments outside engineering.

The answer to the problem is easy. Employ more engineers, and a few necessary support staff (planner, tech services and MT! and perhaps a storeman), Then fix aircraft on time and on spec, which the engineers can do no problem, then the customer should be happy and pay for it.

They do not need formula 1 and its olympic stadium, blackbelt librarians and 3 grades of production planning,dock controlling data inputters.