Love where the Captains foot is in this pic...

[Mark Noble]

Brand new aircraft....!!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/890004/L/

[Trentino]

If you look closely there is actually a small metal divider to keep the damage to nil.
Most aircraft have those convenient footrests to allow some stretching.

[mutt]

Mark Noble,

His feet are on the foot rest so whats the big problem? In fact, whats the purpose of this thread??

Mutt

[BOAC]

If you do not use your foot to make entries on the CDU, you would have to lean forwards and that would be tiring, SIN-CDG:D

I assume Air France are exempt from the locked door policy?

[ETOPS]

I assume Air France are exempt from the locked door policy?

Good point. This photo was clearly taken inflight and the photographer was a passenger. Just look at his other submissions to Anet.

Could any AF crews explain why they are able to flout the rules about locked cockpit doors thus negating the whole reason for them. Just because this flight was heading to SIN doesn't make it immune from unlawful interference...........

[KitKatPacificuk]

Remember what they say,

Power up
Pitch up
Gear up
Flap up
Feet up
Light up

aaah

[Mark Noble]

Well I'm very sorry "mutt"...

But to the untrained eye (such as my own and hence the posting in SPOTTERS corner) it looks like he just has his foot resting against some controls..

If it's so 'normal' to an outsider then why is it one of the most viewed pictures on A Netters at the moment?!!

Glad some of you got something out of it anyway as per the latter questions in the thread.

[Avman]

ETOPS, I believe the "rules" are mainly applied by UK and US airlines and (in theory) all airlines inbound to or overflying the USA. From my own experience, for the rest of the world it's business as usual (i.e. b@lls to imbecillic rules invented by idiotic morons). :} ;)

[RevMan2]

We haven't forgotten the incident in which BA almost lost a 747 in the vicinity of Nairobi when a passenger went beserk, have we?
Searched for the original thread, but couldn't find it - maybe someone can link it in here.
Anyway.
There are very sound reasons for having reinforced and locked cockpit doors - I have difficulty understand the laissez faire attitude displayed by the AF crew and some comments here..

[Pegasus77]

Hi Mark Noble,

Where are the controls you claim he is resting his foot on? Even an trained eye would not be able to see those.

If it's so 'normal' to an outsider then why is it one of the most viewed pictures on A Netters at the moment?!!

My guess is that a lot of spotters/ layman including yourself worry about too much or drink too little. Claiming something is disastrous, just because a lot of non-aviators look at it is ridiculous.

P77

[Bus429]

I believe the foot rests are a hangover from the 707 (and upto 767!) days when you might need some leverage when pulling out of a dive!

I have had cause to ask an FO to be careful where he put his feet when chilling before a flight; toe on RDMI not good idea!

[Mark Noble]

Eh nobody said it looked like a disaster waiting to happen.

And I don't worry about anything when I fly, thanks.

Bus429's comments are good enough for me !!

[StopStart]

They look like strain bars as mentioned above. Gives you a bit of leverage following the total hydraulics failure.... Or total wire failure :rolleyes:

[Bealzebub]

"You might need some leverage when pulling out of a dive" ?

Hmmm. In the movies perhaps.

On the later Boeings 757 /767/ 777. There is no manual reversion if all the hydraulic systems fail, so why would you need leverage ?

His foot is on a metal bar.

[VFE]

Just a minor point but this photo looks like it may have been taken by the Captain himself/herself with their right hand! Not beyond the realms of possibility that the camera was handed to the cabin crew who kindly asked the skipper to take a shot for the owner of the camera.

Why are people so very quick to jump to the wrong yet seemingly more exciting conclusion? :rolleyes:

VFE.

[rhythm method]

Actually, both the captain's left and right hands are visible in the picture, as is the first officer's left arm and hand, so it has to be taken by someone else. It could be simply a third crewmember from a jumpseat position, or as said before it may well be a case of ignoring the locked flightdeck door policy.

[Trentino]

look at us, arguing about pax in the cockpit...I know that my words are a cliche and theyre overused but...
Isnt it sad that we can no longer enjoy the once proud experience of showing a bright eyed little boy or an inquisitive or nervous passenger what all those colourful buttons do.
Society really sucks guys. I remember how I got started...
The old 742's from Alitalia..me being a little boy...to this day nothing struck me more than seeing those greybeards controlling 350 tons of metal...
Maybe with some drastic measures like what Tony has proposed today, we can MAYBE return to the glory days.
I still believe that a real threat will not calmly ask to see the cockpit but rathar force his way in.

[IanH]

Am I the only one who thinks this looks a fake computer generated picture ???

[Trentino]

Hi Ian, what makes you think the photo is computer generated...with modern graphics cards its plausable
but I do believe this is the real thing...just curious why
you believe its generated.

[VFE]

I can only see the Captains left hand in the picture I'm looking at.

Know what ya mean about it looking kind of computerised.

Or maybe it was taken in a sim?

VFE.

[kookabat]

I can confirm it's NOT fake, it WAS NOT taken by any member of the crew, it WAS taken by a young bloke with a keen interest in all things flying. He's a good mate of mine.

It's only computer generated if you count a Canon Eos 300D as a computer!

[POL.777]

I sit like this in the 37 on every flight. Never heard any complain, (and who would complain, capt. is doing the same).
Its all about comfort.

[Onan the Clumsy]

just curious why you believe its generated Well it might have something to do with the sky looking like something out of a bad 1960s science fiction movie from the planet Tharg :confused:

[ETOPS]

it WAS NOT taken by any member of the crew, it WAS taken by a young bloke with a keen interest in all things flying.

So to repeat my question - What the heck was he doing in the cockpit in flight?

[Ed Ted]

Hello everybody,

It's me, the photographer. I assure you that my Photoshopping skills wouldn't permit me to do any digital trickery this photo; it is indeed real! I was invited to visit by one of the flight attendants, after I submitted a form for the pilots to fill out, on which I asked if I could visit after the flight (given that's what normal practice for us enthusiasts is these days). So it was pure luck to be able to do so. Interestingly enough though, we were on the same aircraft back with a different crew, and they said that becuase of 'security issues', visits weren't allowed during flight. When I went to the flight deck afterwards, they said that photos weren't allowed on Air France.

I hope this clears up a few things :)

[kookabat]

Yeah... that's the bloke.

That explains where all the hits came from, Ed!! ;)