I wonder if someone could help me in understanding the requirements to have a JAA Atpl issued on the basis of flying experience.
ie, transferring FAA ATP or Oz/New Zealand ATP to Jaa ATPL...
I have heard several translations of the requirements:
1500 hrs in Jet a'c over 50 tonnes
1000 hrs in +50 tonne a/c Command time.
no way another ATPL can be issued - all 14 exams must be done regardless of experience...
It does seem a little confusing!!
is there a regulation that stipulates in black and white what is required?
If any light coud be shed on the matter it would be highly appreciated!
mali:sad:
BillieBob
28th Jul 2005, 10:53
No confusion - The following is the relevant part of LASORS and relates only to the requirements for the issue by the UK CAA of a JAR ATPL on the basis of a non-JAR ATPL issued in accordance with ICAO Annexe 1.
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G1.5 JAR-FCL ATPL(A) CONVERSION OF A NON-JAA PROFESSIONAL LICENCE
A professional pilot licence issued by a non-JAA State may be converted to a JAR-FCL licence provided that an arrangement exists between the JAA and the non-JAA State. This arrangement shall be established on the basis of reciprocity of licence acceptance and shall ensure that an equivalent level of safety exists between the training and testing requirements of the JAA and non-JAA State. Until such arrangements exist, the following requirements have been agreed by the JAA and are now incorporated in JAR-FCL 1.016.
Non-JAA ATPL(A) Licence
The holder of a valid (or non-expiring)ATPL(A) issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State may be issued with a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) providing the experience requirements of JAR-FCL 1.280 have been
met. Applicants' must:-
• hold a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate;
• Undertake ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the Head of Training of an approved training provider, and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at ATPL(A) level;
• Qualify for the issue of a UK Flight Radio Telephony Operator’s Licence (FRTOL) -Section B refers;
• Undertake a multi-pilot aeroplane type rating course at an approved TRTO (see Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.220, Part B for a list of types); pass the ATPL(A) skill test in accordance with Appendices 1 and 2 to JAR-FCL 1.240 and 1.295 with, or observed by, a CAA Flight Operations Training Inspector.
G1.5 NOTE 1
ATPL(A) holders who have a minimum of 1500 hours flying experience as PIC or Co-pilot on multi-pilot aeroplanes (or single-pilot aeroplanes operated by 2-pilots according to operational requirements) and hold a valid multi-pilot type rating for the aeroplane to be used for the ATPL(A) skill test and have at least 500 hours experience as pilot on that type, will be exempted from the requirements to complete an approved TRTO course or undergo approved training prior to undertaking the theoretical knowledge examinations and the skill test.
Pilots with less than 500 hours experience as pilot on the type to be used for the ATPL(A) skill test will be exempted from the requirements to undergo approved training prior to undertaking the theoretical knowledge examinations but will still be required to complete an approved type rating course. However, the course may be reduced to take account of previous experience on the same type upon recommendation by the TRTO to PLD.
G1.5 NOTE 2
Different terms apply to ATPL(A) holders with a minimum of 3,000 hours flying experience as pilot of public transport aircraft over 30,000kgs MTWA on scheduled international or similar routes, including a minimum of 1,500 hours as Pilot-in-Command (Captain). Applicants who believe they qualify should apply to PLD for a formal written assessment using form SRG\1103 and enclosing the appropriate fee, actual logbooks and non-UK licence (with validating medical certificate if separate).
Applicants who qualify and complete the reduced requirements will be issued with a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) however as this licence does not fully comply with the requirements of JAR-FCL, the holder is not entitled to the automatic recogntion accorded to JAR-FCL. The licence will be endorsed with the following statement: Valid for United Kingdom registered aircraft. As this licence does not fully comply with JAR-FCL the holder
must have permission from any other JAA Member State prior to exercising the licence privileges in aircraft registered in that State. This endorsement may be removed by obtaining a pass in all JAR-FCL ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge examinations. (The 12 remaining JAR-FCL ATPL(A) examinations will be classed as a new set and attempt and will be subject to the pass standards as detailed in Section J1.5).
The holder of a current and valid ATPL(A) who does not meet the experience requirements for the grant of a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) can still apply for a JAR-FCL CPL(A)/IR. Details can be found in Section D1.5.
G1.6 JAR-FCL ATPL(A) FLIGHT RADIOTELEPHONY OPERATOR’S LICENCE (FRTOL) REQUIREMENTS
An applicant for a UK FRTOL is required to pass the Radiotelephony written examination and practical test with an authorised RTF Examiner. It should be noted that whilst Radio Communication forms part of the JAR-FCL ATPL(A) training syllabus, the FRTOL remains a UK national licence.
FULL DETAILS OF THE FRTOL REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING CREDITS AVAILABLE ARE CONTAINED IN SECTION B.
G1.7 MEDICAL REQUIREMENTS
An applicant for a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) shall hold a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 Medical Certificate.
FULL DETAILS OF THE MEDICAL REQUIREMENTS ARE CONTAINED IN JAR-FCL 3 AND SECTION A6.
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In summary, you cannot obtain a full JAR ATPL without passing all 14 theoretical knowledge examinations, no matter how much experience you have. However, if you have the experience detailed in Note 2 above, you can get a UK-issued ATPL valid only in UK-registered aeroplanes - you will still have to pass all of the exams to make it a 'proper' JAR ATPL.
Of course, other JAA member states may not see it this way but you would have to approach the other national authorities individually - unless someone else has any ideas.......
Thanks Billie
much appreciated!!
Is there any truth in the rumour mill out there that one day in the future, JAA will relax its requirement that all theory examinations are completed if a similar Foreign licence has been obtained?
It would make my life much easier!!
mali :ok:
corklad
9th Aug 2005, 23:04
i have heard (rumor only) that if you have 1500hrs on type & have multi crew in medium jet you can convert to an icelandic national/jaa licence. iceland isnt in the EU so they can set their own regs and validations. however iceland is jar complient so in theory once you have recieved an icelandic jaa you can swap it or use it in any other jaa member state. im not 100% sure on this as i was told it was something used by AAI guys to convert to AAE a/c (again dont quote me here as i am not sure how accurate this is). it may be worth giving the icelandic aviation authority a call, they speak perfect english there so no worries. id be interested to know how it works out for you.